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WCS America - Ro16 Group D Recap - Season 2
WCS America Ro16 concluded last night with TaeJa and viOLet advancing to the Ro8 and making it an all-Korean affair. MajOr, the last foreigner left in the tournament, played his heart out but came one game short of advancing. Dropping out in last place was Arthur, the typically cheesy Protoss who unexpectedly decided to play macro games against both TaeJa and MaJor but sadly finished with a 0-4 map score. Despite a valiant effort, the Spectre Protoss still has room for improvement in his standard play.
Last night was yet another walk in the park for  Liquid.Taeja, who went a perfect 4-0 in his group. TaeJa was slightly thrown off by the fear of potential all-ins from Arthur but still won the series convincingly. Putting on a TvZ clinic against viOLet, TaeJa dominated the tempo of the games by pressuring viOLet and not allowing him to utilize his trademark aggression. viOLet battled hard but Taeja cruised his way into the quarterfinals with good splits in off-creep fights. So far, the Prince of Summer has looked untouchable, but he expressed concerns in his first place interview about possibly facing HyuN. These two could potentially meet in the semifinals.
The second place finisher was  viOLet, who will be making his first ever WCS quarterfinal appearance on Saturday. Though he was crushed by Taeja, viOLet showed some phenomenal, diverse ZvT against MajOr. He mixed in standard builds with roach/hydra aggression and even looked sharp in the late to end game. For some reason, viOLet and MajOr together just make a perfect recipe for epic games. First, they started off the night with an intense 50min+, back and forth game on Overgrowth. Then they met again in the decider match and played the 4th longest televised game in HotS history that ended in curious fashion. If you missed today’s group and can’t wait till the quarterfinals, then definitely go back and check out these two games.
The quarterfinals of WCS America kicks off at 15:00 PDT on Saturday 5/7.
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Poland3748 Posts
The picture is from wrong group.
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Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff...
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On July 03 2014 18:43 nktiep wrote:
Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff...
No, terran isnt op...
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On July 03 2014 18:43 nktiep wrote:
Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff... after months finally some terran advance, fulfilling their... like 20% Winrate and of course someone is then standing up complaining TERRAN ISNT OP
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For interest's sake, here's the Top 8 bracket:
Heart ┐
├────── ┐
viOLet ┘ │
├────── ┐
Alicia ┐ │ │
├────── ┘ │
Bomber┘ │
├─
Polt ┐ │
├──────── ┐ │
HyuN ┘ │ │
├──────── ┘
TaeJa ┐ │
├─────── ┘
Pigbaby ┘
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On July 03 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2014 18:43 nktiep wrote:
Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff... after months finally some terran advance, fulfilling their... like 20% Winrate and of course someone is then standing up complaining TERRAN ISNT OP
I whish people could detect sarcasm...
There is a post like that on the 1st page of every thread announcing a terran win. Just chill.
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On July 03 2014 19:32 HellNino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2014 18:43 nktiep wrote:
Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff... after months finally some terran advance, fulfilling their... like 20% Winrate and of course someone is then standing up complaining TERRAN ISNT OP I whish people could detect sarcasm... There is a post like that on the 1st page of every thread announcing a terran win. Just chill.
To hell with your reasoning!! Dey took our jabs! (rabble rabble rabble) 
Edit: Also as a Terran I cannot help but being pretty happy about WCS America and all the great Terrans I get to watch. Taeja, Polt, Bomber and Heart!! :D
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On July 03 2014 19:37 Frankenberry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:32 HellNino wrote:On July 03 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2014 18:43 nktiep wrote:
Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff... after months finally some terran advance, fulfilling their... like 20% Winrate and of course someone is then standing up complaining TERRAN ISNT OP I whish people could detect sarcasm... There is a post like that on the 1st page of every thread announcing a terran win. Just chill. To hell with your reasoning!! Dey took our jabs! (rabble rabble rabble) Edit: Also as a Terran I cannot help but being pretty happy about WCS America and all the great Terrans I get to watch. Taeja, Polt, Bomber and Heart!! :D
How dare you complain about losing your job, when you're more than happy to use MULES instead of hard working SCVs. Double standards!  Still taht will be good to finally see some TvT in tournaments :D
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Bomber seems to have the easiest path, as long as the law doesn't lay itself down. Taeja should be happy he's not in Polt's or Hyun's place.
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On July 03 2014 19:46 calh wrote:
Bomber seems to have the easiest path, as long as the law doesn't lay itself down. Taeja should be happy he's not in Polt's or Hyun's place.
DUDE, what the hell you saying? Bomber does not have the easiest path, he is going to face Alicia, the guy who knocked Bomber out last season in WCS AM Ro8
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To me it looks like we could see three Terrans in the Ro4 (Bomber's not gonna make it against Alicia)
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On July 03 2014 20:10 MiniFotToss wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:46 calh wrote:
Bomber seems to have the easiest path, as long as the law doesn't lay itself down. Taeja should be happy he's not in Polt's or Hyun's place. DUDE, what the hell you saying? Bomber does not have the easiest path, he is going to face Alicia, the guy who knocked Bomber out last season in WCS AM Ro8
Sure Alicia is not easy, but compared to Polt, Hyun and Taeja?
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Taeja may not make it finals if he has to face Polt.
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On July 03 2014 20:16 calh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 20:10 MiniFotToss wrote:On July 03 2014 19:46 calh wrote:
Bomber seems to have the easiest path, as long as the law doesn't lay itself down. Taeja should be happy he's not in Polt's or Hyun's place. DUDE, what the hell you saying? Bomber does not have the easiest path, he is going to face Alicia, the guy who knocked Bomber out last season in WCS AM Ro8 Sure Alicia is not easy, but compared to Polt, Hyun and Taeja?
Actually thats true
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On July 03 2014 20:51 ninjamyst wrote:
Taeja may not make it finals if he has to face Polt.
They're quite equal in TvT, so i might go anyway
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wtf i wanted bottom half of the bracket to be semifinals. OMG
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Canada8157 Posts
No one can stop the TaeJa train
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On July 03 2014 19:43 HellNino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:37 Frankenberry wrote:On July 03 2014 19:32 HellNino wrote:On July 03 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2014 18:43 nktiep wrote:
Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff... after months finally some terran advance, fulfilling their... like 20% Winrate and of course someone is then standing up complaining TERRAN ISNT OP I whish people could detect sarcasm... There is a post like that on the 1st page of every thread announcing a terran win. Just chill. To hell with your reasoning!! Dey took our jabs! (rabble rabble rabble) Edit: Also as a Terran I cannot help but being pretty happy about WCS America and all the great Terrans I get to watch. Taeja, Polt, Bomber and Heart!! :D How dare you complain about losing your job, when you're more than happy to use MULES instead of hard working SCVs. Double standards! Still taht will be good to finally see some TvT in tournaments :D
STOP Mule Abuse! 
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98 point gap btwn Rank 1 ELO TJ and Rank 2 Hyun
:D
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Poland3748 Posts
On July 03 2014 21:59 triforks wrote:
98 point gap btwn Rank 1 ELO TJ and Rank 2 Hyun
:D
Well HSC 20-7
DH 17-0
WCS 4-0
The ELO rank has no choice but to skyrocket. Worth to note that TaeJa's current ranking is a peak in HotS and 40 points above second highest peak of INnoVation.
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Awesome, TaeJa is a beast these days.. I'd say he's taking names, but he doesn't care what your name is, he will just win and move on.
Bomber vs. Team Axiom looks interesting.. But I'm sure he will manage.
So I fully expect a Bomber v. TaeJa final. But who knows, I am often wrong and Violet could make a big upset.. Looking forward to it, to be sure.
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Taeja vs Alicia finals with Taeja taking it! Gonna be sick
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in the next 2 seasons... will be WCS AM RO16 all korean affair~ i believe
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ELO rank is rather dumb since cant players go practically 40-0 versus mediocre players but then someone else goes like 40-10 versus elite players and he would have a lower score right?
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On July 03 2014 23:17 Varroth wrote:
ELO rank is rather dumb since cant players go practically 40-0 versus mediocre players but then someone else goes like 40-10 versus elite players and he would have a lower score right?
Its not about stats, but dependent on opponents elo. If someone with 2500 elo loses against 1100 elo, he will lose more points than the 2200elo guy vs the same 1100elo guy.
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On July 03 2014 20:13 TTBest wrote:
To me it looks like we could see three Terrans in the Ro4 (Bomber's not gonna make it against Alicia)
Bomber told me TvP is in a pretty good place these days and he lost to Alicia last season 3-2 so I have a good feeling he will win this time around
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Poland3748 Posts
On July 03 2014 23:17 Varroth wrote:
ELO rank is rather dumb since cant players go practically 40-0 versus mediocre players but then someone else goes like 40-10 versus elite players and he would have a lower score right?
It depends. Not necessarily - it depends on the rating of said player and what is ELO ranking difference between "mediocre" and "elite".
I will give you example but please spare me counting for 40-0 and I will give you 4-0 and 4-1.
Assume that mediocre player is ~2100 ELO (it's 100 point above starting ranking of 2000) while elite is ~2300 (currently top 10 players are 2300+).
Let then assume that said player is in between so ~2200 and obviously I will round those numbers to 2100, 2300 and 2200 respectively.
I will assume that constant is 32 - I don't remember what value is used for TLPD.
If said player will go 4-0 against 2100.
Against 2100 the expected result of said player - let call him T - is E = 1 / 1 + 10^(-1/4) = 1 / 1 + 0.562 = 1 / 1.562 = 0.64
The actual result is 1 so the ranking will improve to 2200 + 0.36 * 32 = 2212. The follwoing victories will net him slightly less then this 12 points as he actually improved his ranking but I will round it up for his benefit to 2248.
Now against 2300 opponents. His E = 1 / 1 + 10^(1/4) = 0.36. After first win he will get 0.64*32 or 20 points and land 2220. The second result will net him around 19 points so 2239. The next will result in 18 points so 2257. The last game - after some roundings - will net him again 18 points and so after going 4-0 he will end up with 2275 points.
Now the rating will be affected by when he lost his match. The most damaging result would be to loose at the end so now - but at this points loosing to "elite" player will net him just -15 points - the end result is 2260 points so full 12 points ahead of going 4-0 against mediocre players. If he started with a loss and then went 4-0, the T fighting elite players would be even further ahead.
The problem with ELO is that it balances itself through games played. The round robins and swiss format is best suited and obviously if the scene is fragmented like SC2 scene is now (NA / EU / Korea) it's another issue as the regions may be inflated compared to each other (like NA may involve a lot of players and so their best players will have very high ELO but there won't be enough inter region games to "transfer" excessive points to Korea to balance that).
ELO is not dumb - you simply don't understand how it works.
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On July 03 2014 19:09 Circumstance wrote:For interest's sake, here's the Top 8 bracket: Heart ┐
├────── ┐
viOLet ┘ │
├────── ┐
Alicia ┐ │ │
├────── ┘ │
Bomber┘ │
├─
Polt ┐ │
├──────── ┐ │
HyuN ┘ │ │
├──────── ┘
TaeJa ┐ │
├─────── ┘
Pigbaby ┘
this is amazing, wow
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viOLet vs Major was an amazing series <3
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Since its America it should be "7/5"
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Really happy with the bracket, despite the Bomber/Alicia rematch. I think the whole rest of the tournament is gonna be so sick
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Whoever comes out from the bottom half of the bracket is going to have a massive momentum.
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That was one hell of a long day! Taeja's matches were like an orca playing with a seal though.
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I also think the second half of the bracket is stacked as hell.
Hyun, the defending champion, the online king and 2# in WCS standings
Polt, 2 times champion and always consistent
Taeja, the man on fire, looks invincible (on a streak of 26 maps in offline tournaments)
Pigbaby, kespa player, the dark-horse of the tournament
Actually, the whole ro8 is amazing but I'm really curious to watch Polt-Hyun and Taeja-Pigbaby.
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Bomber's macro is always the most outstanding part of his play, but from past games, he seems to lose against Z and P when they do ling and zealot runbys. He doesn't lift his OCs or run his SCVs away, and they just end up all dying. He does one last desperation push that if it doesn't work, he taps out.
I think Bomber's biggest area of improvement is his multitasking, especially when he's getting harassed.
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Group D Pics
Group D pics are now up! Lots of Taeja! Some Violet pics! And even Polt making an appearance!
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On July 04 2014 03:24 asongdotnet wrote:Group D PicsGroup D pics are now up! Lots of Taeja! Some Violet pics! And even Polt making an appearance!
Forgot about the Polt cast! I actually really like his insight.
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TaeJa is on fire lately. Almost 30 straight map wins in premier tournaments. Odds to win the WCS America title imo:
1. TaeJa (unbeatable right now)
2. Polt (Captain America... he's won half of the WCS Americas)
3. Hyun (Defending champ)
4. Alicia (underrated Toss lately. He's been very consistently good)
5. Heart (This guy is on another level lately)
6. Bomber (Which Bomber will show up?)
7. Pigbaby (Seems good but how good is he?)
8. viOLet (Deserves to be here but I think he's the most vulnerable)
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It is possible to get an all Terran semi. That would be hilarious.
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GOGO Axiom guys, Polt, and Taeja!
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Too early for the champagne bottle just yet! Polt or Bomber will drink to that X
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On July 03 2014 19:43 HellNino wrote:Show nested quote +On July 03 2014 19:37 Frankenberry wrote:On July 03 2014 19:32 HellNino wrote:On July 03 2014 19:05 Rollora wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 03 2014 18:43 nktiep wrote:
Polt OP, Terran OP, And they said terrans needed a buff... after months finally some terran advance, fulfilling their... like 20% Winrate and of course someone is then standing up complaining TERRAN ISNT OP I whish people could detect sarcasm... There is a post like that on the 1st page of every thread announcing a terran win. Just chill. To hell with your reasoning!! Dey took our jabs! (rabble rabble rabble) Edit: Also as a Terran I cannot help but being pretty happy about WCS America and all the great Terrans I get to watch. Taeja, Polt, Bomber and Heart!! :D How dare you complain about losing your job, when you're more than happy to use MULES instead of hard working SCVs. Double standards! Still taht will be good to finally see some TvT in tournaments :D
Not only that but SCVs probably have the highest casualty rates.
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Come on Taeja and Bomber! Terran fighting!!!!
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Would love to see TaeJa vs Soulkey or Maru before i'll call him invincible...
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As much as i would like to see a zerg player wining i think this will go to whoever wins in the Polt VS Taeja semi final
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Poland3748 Posts
On July 04 2014 16:48 ChromeBallz wrote:
Would love to see TaeJa vs Soulkey or Maru before i'll call him invincible...
Or Zest or Classic or soO. Most definitely soO.
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Last time Bomber Taeja and Polt made it they all went out in the ro4 so its entirely possible they can all go out again!
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