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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
I think the mech change would need way more testing than Blizzard is willing to do though. edit: also, Hmm, weird. I could have sworn there were no plans for extra changes in the future. Did someone write a 40 pages essay about Terran woes or what? Kind of amusing how influent we are eh? | ||
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submarine
Germany290 Posts
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Deleted User 132135
702 Posts
Rather e.g. increase tank dmg vs light units instead or buff mech a bit in any other way. If ZvT gets moved back to stale bio+mine rally + 20 minute defense map survival fight for zerg, this is no good. Exactly this would mine + medivac buff encourage. In general the approach should be to remove muta regeneration (as undying mutalisks are the problem in ZvT lategame) and nerf the stuff that is the reason for zerg having it. Muta regen is also bad for ZvZ (therefore we got the spore buff) and balance wise I dont like it too much in ZvP either. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
Why have a test map where people can totally mess around and only do tiny changes on tiny step at a time? Throw in a huge change and see how it goes! Is it OP? Ok! We'll tone it down until it's just right! There fixed! Is it UP? Ok! We'll buff it till it's just right! FIXED! Heck, they could make the Tank 150/100/2, buff the damage and whatnot and just test it out and learn from that. These small changes every time never get to the core of any issues. Things that have to go live fast can be nice and small but come on Blizzard, be bold and put some major changes on a testmap and just let players have a go at it. You won't know what some units might be capable of until you OP them and then scale it back. Isn't that why the whole testmap exists? | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
Because the reason "players adapted so it's time to buff" feels like a joke. | ||
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
[] I want to play with the Test changes Would allow you to ladder against other players that also have the Test changes checked. | ||
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TheDwf
France19747 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:09 Teoita wrote: The test map is mostly PR imo because no high level games are played on it, and not having matchmaking means opponents are almost never matched in skill anyway. Yep. Testing stuff through small tournaments with various pros was a nice idea, hopefully the initiative is renewed. edit: also, Kind of amusing how influent we are eh? I don't know what you're talking about. As far as I'm concerned Blizzard had a spontanenous change of mind unrelated to any recent TL content. | ||
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Ctone23
United States1839 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:09 Teoita wrote: The test map is mostly PR imo because no high level games are played on it, and not having matchmaking means opponents are almost never matched in skill anyway. That's true, but how difficult would it be to open up a test map (or two) with some of the changes Dwf suggested? I'm incompetent when it comes to programming but I would think it wouldn't be THAT difficult. Maybe they don't want to get hopes up, and like you say, it isn't like pro's could ladder and give it a proper test. Although, those seem like menial obstacles that could be worked around. | ||
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KatatoniK
United Kingdom978 Posts
Medivacs are fine as they are. Eh I'd say mines are fine as they are right now, the whole splash radius thing with the current mine in PvT. Yeah I don't feel like losing most of my gateway units due to 1 thing. Seriously, don't fix what isn't broken Blizzard, look at late-game PvT. Realise it's T's lategame options that make the game like that. | ||
nimdil
Poland3752 Posts
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:18 nimdil wrote: I like what I'm reading here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=22493264 Can't agree more! | ||
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DeZiekeNon
Netherlands12 Posts
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braller
96 Posts
That and the proposed buffs muta+stim+mine in the most epic whatever are completely insane (that is, insane to put them all together, they are good changes to look at individually). | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
 Just kidding, but I really don't think we need to make massive adjustments right now. The one or other Terran-specific tweak and the race should be quite well off. | ||
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sibs
635 Posts
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12387 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:26 braller wrote: I don't really get all the people who saying that fixing stuff with the midgame won't affect the "real problem"- it's not even close to that simple. To use perhaps the most infamous example, the queen buff was reduced Terran aggression, which let Zergs play greedily enough that they could reach an extremely difficult to beat lategame. Similarly, the Oracle buff has forced Terrans to play more defensively, which gives Protoss an economy edge. That and the proposed buffs muta+stim+mine in the most epic whatever are completely insane (that is, insane to put them all together, they are good changes to look at individually). The reason why these buffs aren't good isn't that they don't address the "real problem", it's just that they buff the stuff that we already see in most games in a race that has a plethora of units that we never see. | ||
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Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:30 Big J wrote: meanwhile in the Code A qualifier... Just kidding, but I really don't think we need to make massive adjustments right now. The one or other Terran-specific tweak and the race should be quite well off. Then again, isn't Code B basically only Terrans now? :D | ||
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Lizarb
Denmark307 Posts
Battlecruisers so they have a little more maneuverability. Vikings so they actually have a chance to flank Tempests or catch a warp prism. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On July 02 2014 22:31 Teoita wrote: Then again, isn't Code B basically only Terrans now? :D And people complain about no TvTs.  | ||
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