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just watched the game
DRG was dumb not to have scouted. Because it is obvious that scarlett was going to do some all in. I mean cmon, she's offracing, WHAT OTHER OPTION DOES SHE HAVE? OBVIOUSLY SHE HAD AN ALL IN PREPARED. shes not going to go macro for an offrace. drg should have figured out WHAT all in was coming, and then responded accordingly.
however, i do agree with the dude who lost respect for the game. in 2008 at evo when justin wong clawed his way back from the losers bracket, and faced daigo in the finals, his rufus got demolished by daigo's ryu. so then he switched from rufus to balrog won the first series and although he lost the second, it was awe inspiring. here, it was just a protoss all in. meh. its already telling that that classic guy who just won gsl had started out as terran but then decided it sucked and switched races and then became good. doesn't bode well for a game like an rts. for the record i dont play the game anymore
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On July 01 2014 16:55 Mahtasooma wrote:
Exciting.
But in all honesty, this made me lose all respect for the game. I literally cannot play this game anymore.
When a foreign Zerg "practices a Protoss build a bit" with other foreigners, and that's enough to win against a GSL Champion who reacted perfectly, didn't overdrone, didn't slip with his macro or micro, had tons of queens, lings and a spine in place...
There is just something wrong. I don't think this can even be debated.
Exciting,
But in all honesty, you shouldn't play this game if you think what DRG did was absolutely perfect. There were mistakes in his defense and as a Toss player I can see that. Sorry but it's better if you actually played more instead of complaining when your race can't win.
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On July 04 2014 03:31 Broodwurst wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 02:55 mishimaBeef wrote:On July 04 2014 02:51 Broodwurst wrote:On July 04 2014 02:17 eightym wrote:On July 03 2014 13:29 mishimaBeef wrote:
this game is like quake. u need to be fast and i mean fast! otherwise u lose... nobody can play quake perfectly... lol people used to complain the skill ceiling was too low, but maybe it is too high, which is why nobody can play with an unbeatable system. when u get caught off guard due to a quick thing, problems. I feel like your post began as coherent, then gradually devolved into a series of random words. No offense. I'm interested in hearing how Quake might be similar to Starcraft. Games with an impossible skill ceiling are the only games worth calling games imo. That doesn't make any sense. Skill ceiling implies the best skill that a human can reach, if it's impossible to reach it's no "skill ceiling" but a limit out of bounds of possibility. u dont know where the ceiling is. 100m dash keeps being improved, yet humans are reaching it. also please point out specifically which part is incoherent as i pride myself on my english skills  skill = the ability of a human skill ceiling = the maximum ability of a human impossible skill ceiling = ability a human can't reach Correct? The term skill ceiling itself is stupid, because - as you said - people keep getting better. In everything. Also it's pretty much impossible to measure skill but it's been a hype word for online gamers that just won't die. Ugh. Edit: There is no single thing called "skill". A programer needs skill in different fields, like decision making, multitasking, mind games and others. Trying to file them all under the one term "skill" is retarded.
...Correct. Which is why starcraft has an impossible skill ceiling, like I said...
"impossible skill ceiling" = the game can not be played perfectly by a human.
It's not a hype word. English just isn't your native language.
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On July 04 2014 13:41 eightym wrote:Show nested quote +On July 04 2014 03:31 Broodwurst wrote:On July 04 2014 02:55 mishimaBeef wrote:On July 04 2014 02:51 Broodwurst wrote:On July 04 2014 02:17 eightym wrote:On July 03 2014 13:29 mishimaBeef wrote:
this game is like quake. u need to be fast and i mean fast! otherwise u lose... nobody can play quake perfectly... lol people used to complain the skill ceiling was too low, but maybe it is too high, which is why nobody can play with an unbeatable system. when u get caught off guard due to a quick thing, problems. I feel like your post began as coherent, then gradually devolved into a series of random words. No offense. I'm interested in hearing how Quake might be similar to Starcraft. Games with an impossible skill ceiling are the only games worth calling games imo. That doesn't make any sense. Skill ceiling implies the best skill that a human can reach, if it's impossible to reach it's no "skill ceiling" but a limit out of bounds of possibility. u dont know where the ceiling is. 100m dash keeps being improved, yet humans are reaching it. also please point out specifically which part is incoherent as i pride myself on my english skills skill = the ability of a human skill ceiling = the maximum ability of a human impossible skill ceiling = ability a human can't reach Correct? The term skill ceiling itself is stupid, because - as you said - people keep getting better. In everything. Also it's pretty much impossible to measure skill but it's been a hype word for online gamers that just won't die. Ugh. Edit: There is no single thing called "skill". A programer needs skill in different fields, like decision making, multitasking, mind games and others. Trying to file them all under the one term "skill" is retarded. ...Correct. Which is why starcraft has an impossible skill ceiling, like I said... "impossible skill ceiling" = the game can not be played perfectly by a human. It's not a hype word. English just isn't your native language.
You can put an impossible skill ceiling on pretty much everything.
football/soccer = kick the ball at the speed of light
poker = you have x-ray vision and see everyones cards
An impossible skill ceiling is of no relevance to a game played by humans.
The term skill ceiling is used for "It's the best I've seen, nobody will ever top that" - which in general is true only for a certain amount of time.
Edit: "Skill" is the most hyped word in everything involving online gaming. Look at the "funny BM" thread, or anywhere else. "Easy race, no skill". "Easy hero, no skill" It's the go-to excuse for everything AND the go-to validation of your fanboy-ism "My favourite player has more skill than your favourite player."
Doesn't mean shit (because it's usually tossed around without any substance) but just fits nicely into everything,
You're correct though, english isn't my native language. Sorry.
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On July 01 2014 17:22 Glioburd wrote:Thanks for the video. These point of views from the audience are always fun to watch. Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 16:55 Mahtasooma wrote:
Exciting.
But in all honesty, this made me lose all respect for the game. I literally cannot play this game anymore.
When a foreign Zerg "practices a Protoss build a bit" with other foreigners, and that's enough to win against a GSL Champion who reacted perfectly, didn't overdrone, didn't slip with his macro or micro, had tons of queens, lings and a spine in place...
There is just something wrong. I don't think this can even be debated. I lost all respect for this game long time ago. When you see Naniwa or Dayshi beating Jaedong, a win in offrace is nothing. We know that is not a game based on skill, simply on timing and reaction. Scarlett won the shifumi, but I'm happy for her
Only skill game is BW1!11!!!!!
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On July 04 2014 05:30 fishjie wrote:
just watched the game
DRG was dumb not to have scouted. Because it is obvious that scarlett was going to do some all in. I mean cmon, she's offracing, WHAT OTHER OPTION DOES SHE HAVE? OBVIOUSLY SHE HAD AN ALL IN PREPARED. shes not going to go macro for an offrace. drg should have figured out WHAT all in was coming, and then responded accordingly.
however, i do agree with the dude who lost respect for the game. in 2008 at evo when justin wong clawed his way back from the losers bracket, and faced daigo in the finals, his rufus got demolished by daigo's ryu. so then he switched from rufus to balrog won the first series and although he lost the second, it was awe inspiring. here, it was just a protoss all in. meh. its already telling that that classic guy who just won gsl had started out as terran but then decided it sucked and switched races and then became good. doesn't bode well for a game like an rts. for the record i dont play the game anymore
Your point ?
Noone, literally no-one disagrees that Terran's in a bad spot, but making it that Protoss is EZPZ is a false statement..
And despite everything - the only real reason why everyone thinks Protoss is easy is because of the late-game army strength and that's all..
EVERYONE, like literally EVERYONE is thinking that same thing - balance out the lategame 200/200 top-tier armies, but that guy who everyone wants to talk about when balance discussion is in the focus doesn't think that "there's a problem", but instead thinks in like "hmmm wouldn't it be cool if..." manner.. Or even worse - "hey isn't this fun to watch ?!" 
So - why hate Protoss ?, it's a no easy race, it's just like others, it's that "deathball" that somehow someway our dear God Creator of SC2 decided to leave the faith in everyone else to pray and prevent from that to happen..
Still - every reaction of that type "look at guy X, he switched to Protoss and now suddenly wins everything" are overestimation (and actually really disrespectful) TBH
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One game of a pro player whos been playing for god knows how long off racing and now the race is OP lol.
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Awesome video.
Sad to see people trying to use this to whine.
Losing against a 7gate if you:
- dont scout it
- don't even have started speed
- don't have a roach warren
...well. It should be like that, shouldnt it?
The video is great to see how awesome the crowd was and how awesome Scarlett is! ^_^
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wow... i mean all zerg players have lost like this before. thats the power of hidden pylon protoss.
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On July 04 2014 07:56 Advantageous wrote:Show nested quote +On July 01 2014 16:55 Mahtasooma wrote:
Exciting.
But in all honesty, this made me lose all respect for the game. I literally cannot play this game anymore.
When a foreign Zerg "practices a Protoss build a bit" with other foreigners, and that's enough to win against a GSL Champion who reacted perfectly, didn't overdrone, didn't slip with his macro or micro, had tons of queens, lings and a spine in place...
There is just something wrong. I don't think this can even be debated. Exciting, But in all honesty, you shouldn't play this game if you think what DRG did was absolutely perfect. There were mistakes in his defense and as a Toss player I can see that. Sorry but it's better if you actually played more instead of complaining when your race can't win.
It's pretty much impossible to beat with 3base zerg unless you find the probe; even when you know it's coming
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After seeing the amount of truly disgusting people in the comments I was pleasantly reminded of how the people on TL are horrendous people filled to the brim with elephant shit.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On July 03 2014 22:45 Benk wrote:
Didn't know you were allowed to change race once tournament was started...
Seens last year blizzard change rules. You can give note of race before each game. Note is hidden from opponent until loading screen. Blizzard wanted to encourage race switches and random player. So far as I know this rule was used .... 2 times.
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Love the American flag waving in the crowd, hilarious.
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could it be "they" planned and wanted this debate?
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