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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 16:59:30
July 01 2014 16:58 GMT
#1081
"The Fall of Terran"
L
O
L

So dramatic. If Terran players practiced and spent half the time trying to come up with new stuff (other than MMM all day erry day) that they do whining, they'd never lose.

On June 29 2014 20:49 PPN wrote:
While I share the opinion (and I think nobody can disagree with it) that there is an issue with Terran at pro level, I'm definitely baffled by some of your arguments and skewed numbers just to prove your points. I am too lazy to list them in a neat way and I think you are perfectly aware of what you are doing. There is really no need to do that to make your statement.

You are neither helping the cause (something must definitely be done for Terran, and I personally don't believe boring campfest mech is the key) nor promoting a healthy behaviour on forums and ladder. So many players already assume they lose because their race is weak, not because they are terrible at SC2 (regardless of whether it be true or not, it is just not the right mindset).

I'm enjoying less and less playing ladder and reading forum, twitter and stuff about SC2, not because the game is not fun anymore, but because the number of bad mannered jerks increased. It's becoming irationnal and this is fueling their self-entitlement.


Hear, hear!
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Faust852
Profile Joined February 2012
Luxembourg4004 Posts
July 01 2014 17:01 GMT
#1082
So dramatic. If Terran players practiced and spent half the time trying to come up with new stuff (other than MMM all day erry day) that they do whining, they'd never lose.


Tell me more about how innovating Z and P are. I can tell you over 10 differents style being insta nerf without further notice for terran tho. (Remember Slayers terrans?)
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 01 2014 17:04 GMT
#1083
On July 02 2014 01:58 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
"The Fall of Terran"
L
O
L

So dramatic. If Terran players practiced and spent half the time trying to come up with new stuff (other than MMM all day erry day) that they do whining, they'd never lose.

Show nested quote +
On June 29 2014 20:49 PPN wrote:
While I share the opinion (and I think nobody can disagree with it) that there is an issue with Terran at pro level, I'm definitely baffled by some of your arguments and skewed numbers just to prove your points. I am too lazy to list them in a neat way and I think you are perfectly aware of what you are doing. There is really no need to do that to make your statement.

You are neither helping the cause (something must definitely be done for Terran, and I personally don't believe boring campfest mech is the key) nor promoting a healthy behaviour on forums and ladder. So many players already assume they lose because their race is weak, not because they are terrible at SC2 (regardless of whether it be true or not, it is just not the right mindset).

I'm enjoying less and less playing ladder and reading forum, twitter and stuff about SC2, not because the game is not fun anymore, but because the number of bad mannered jerks increased. It's becoming irationnal and this is fueling their self-entitlement.


Hear, hear!


how can terran innovate. The reason MMM is all you see is because its all that works. Everything else is too weak. Tanks suck. Airran takes too long to get going, reapers and hellions stop being useful after like 5 minutes

They don't have the toolbox to even use other strats.
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
July 01 2014 17:04 GMT
#1084
blizzard responds
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
July 01 2014 17:06 GMT
#1085
Didn't oov say that he wished the game wasn't patched so often to allow for strategical development? Or was that Fantasy?
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Pandahunterz
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands213 Posts
July 01 2014 17:07 GMT
#1086
Post so long T_T still enjoyed it a lot. very accurate on the current problem too, although i don't think it will have much impact on the game. Not everything is completely correct though but that's to be expected with the way "balance" has been used recently. In short: very fun and explaining (and long)
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 17:07 GMT
#1087
On July 02 2014 02:04 y0su wrote:
blizzard responds

No.
Fuck.
They're clueless?

Fix the damn lategame so P/Z have to fear a Terran army and add a couple of options in the early game, that's all that's needed.
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 01 2014 17:07 GMT
#1088
On July 02 2014 02:06 sparklyresidue wrote:
Didn't oov say that he wished the game wasn't patched so often to allow for strategical development? Or was that Fantasy?


It was oov, see first page, or maybe second.
maru lover forever
SC2Toastie
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
Netherlands5725 Posts
July 01 2014 17:07 GMT
#1089
On July 02 2014 02:06 sparklyresidue wrote:
Didn't oov say that he wished the game wasn't patched so often to allow for strategical development? Or was that Fantasy?

That was ILoveOov
Mura Ma Man, Dark Da Dude, Super Shot Sos!
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 17:09:14
July 01 2014 17:08 GMT
#1090
On July 02 2014 02:04 y0su wrote:
blizzard responds


I would love to hear TheDwf's thoughts about these changes!

Personally I feel the widow mine change could help the early game. The unload speed I'm not so sure of, it kinda helps lategame since you don't have to micro your drops as much, but it probably wont be enough. The easy to micro big engagements on the protoss side needs to be addressed imo.
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
mau5mat
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
Northern Ireland461 Posts
July 01 2014 17:09 GMT
#1091
On July 02 2014 02:04 y0su wrote:
blizzard responds


Not sure about medivac change, the issue doesn't really lie with the medivac.

The mine change seems reasonable though.
KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
July 01 2014 17:09 GMT
#1092
On July 02 2014 02:04 Shaella wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 01:58 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
"The Fall of Terran"
L
O
L

So dramatic. If Terran players practiced and spent half the time trying to come up with new stuff (other than MMM all day erry day) that they do whining, they'd never lose.

On June 29 2014 20:49 PPN wrote:
While I share the opinion (and I think nobody can disagree with it) that there is an issue with Terran at pro level, I'm definitely baffled by some of your arguments and skewed numbers just to prove your points. I am too lazy to list them in a neat way and I think you are perfectly aware of what you are doing. There is really no need to do that to make your statement.

You are neither helping the cause (something must definitely be done for Terran, and I personally don't believe boring campfest mech is the key) nor promoting a healthy behaviour on forums and ladder. So many players already assume they lose because their race is weak, not because they are terrible at SC2 (regardless of whether it be true or not, it is just not the right mindset).

I'm enjoying less and less playing ladder and reading forum, twitter and stuff about SC2, not because the game is not fun anymore, but because the number of bad mannered jerks increased. It's becoming irationnal and this is fueling their self-entitlement.


Hear, hear!


how can terran innovate. The reason MMM is all you see is because its all that works. Everything else is too weak. Tanks suck. Airran takes too long to get going, reapers and hellions stop being useful after like 5 minutes

They don't have the toolbox to even use other strats.

If you say so, bro.
www.twitch.tv/krazy Best Stream Quality NA @KClarkSC2
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 01 2014 17:10 GMT
#1093
On July 02 2014 02:04 y0su wrote:
blizzard responds


Widow Mine
Widow Mines are quite core in both TvP and TvZ. They’re also one of the most exciting units to watch and create lots of diverse moments depending on the players’ interaction with them within each engagement. We’re currently considering a slight increase to the splash radius of Widow Mines, which we believe could be a good direction to explore.


Correct me if I'm wrong, weren't WM originally nerfed because they were "stale" ? Is DK a dumbass or ?
maru lover forever
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5524 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 17:11:12
July 01 2014 17:10 GMT
#1094
On July 02 2014 02:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 02:06 sparklyresidue wrote:
Didn't oov say that he wished the game wasn't patched so often to allow for strategical development? Or was that Fantasy?

That was ILoveOov

Recently, a lot of Protoss players have been commenting about the most recent patch.

"Honestly, I think it’s because Protoss players were winning very easily, but now things have started to become a little difficult for them. Personally, I would prefer Blizzard to not release patches so often. On some level, it is possible to overcome anything as long as the player puts in the amount of effort necessary."

It was Fantasy too, fuck I'm so good at remembering shit from interviews.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Shaella
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
United States14828 Posts
July 01 2014 17:18 GMT
#1095
On July 02 2014 02:04 y0su wrote:
blizzard responds

what a tone deaf response

Why don't they look at units that see almost no play, like Seige tanks, Thors, Ravens, battlecruisers and make them stronger rather than making sure that TERRAN ALWAYS MMMM NEVER NOT MMMM
don't tell me to provide a legend for those charts cause we already got shaella in this thread - eieio | Bulba is my waifu
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-07-01 17:27:37
July 01 2014 17:24 GMT
#1096
This thread literally may have just gotten Terran buffed.

Those are the wrong buffs to address the issues, but we should be happy and thankful that Blizzard has been made aware of the fact that Terran is struggling.

Now let's focus our feedback to guide them to fix the ultimate cause of the problems.

Instead of just posting on TL, post on the bnet forums for them to see too.


. Additionally, we’d love to hear feedback on other areas that could help Terran while also making the games more exciting to watch and play.


PAY ATTENTION TO THIS.

This is our chance to tell them what we'd like to see changed about Terran gameplay.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 01 2014 17:27 GMT
#1097
On July 02 2014 02:10 sparklyresidue wrote:
That was ILoveOov
Recently, a lot of Protoss players have been commenting about the most recent patch.

"Honestly, I think it’s because Protoss players were winning very easily, but now things have started to become a little difficult for them. Personally, I would prefer Blizzard to not release patches so often. On some level, it is possible to overcome anything as long as the player puts in the amount of effort necessary."

It was Fantasy too, fuck I'm so good at remembering shit from interviews.


I was under the impression that the community thought Blizzard was too slow to patch? Am I right in saying that? Hard to say I guess without an accurate poll. Or is it that there's a difference in opinion from between the community and the top players?

I guess I am asking what people think of the patch frequencies.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
July 01 2014 17:29 GMT
#1098
On July 02 2014 02:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 02:04 y0su wrote:
blizzard responds

No.
Fuck.
They're clueless?

Fix the damn lategame so P/Z have to fear a Terran army and add a couple of options in the early game, that's all that's needed.

Fully agree. I'd love something to BC and/or Thor.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
July 01 2014 17:30 GMT
#1099
On July 02 2014 02:29 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 02 2014 02:07 SC2Toastie wrote:
On July 02 2014 02:04 y0su wrote:
blizzard responds

No.
Fuck.
They're clueless?

Fix the damn lategame so P/Z have to fear a Terran army and add a couple of options in the early game, that's all that's needed.

Fully agree. I'd love something to BC and/or Thor.


Then go to the bnet forums and post suggestions. They asked for our feedback regarding this specifically.
KT FlaSh FOREVER
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
July 01 2014 17:34 GMT
#1100
Doesn't Terran have the most different types units? Yet to me feels like they have the least number of options, especially early on.

Terran need options, more options to make the other races wonder what they are up to.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
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