Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play.
Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL.
DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC.
Almost no tournaments do subsidized travel anymore. This guy claiming that everyone is doing it is nonsense. When there is subsidized travel it's generally one-two spots at the most, very rarely a full ride. The vast majority of people playing in those tournaments are paying out of their own pocket to go.
GSLs only region lock is the fact that nobody outside of Korea has the skill or the funds to play in it.
That is, what I was trying to tell him, that for example DH or EPS are exactly the same as GSL regarding region lock, but noone would call them totally region locked.
Qualified players from IEM, HSC and NASL were subsidized (source liquipedia). And I never said everyone... >.> I gave examples of premier tournaments to name a few. Seeded players I don't know.
Yes, but that also means, that for example 75% of HSC players don't get subsidized (at least not officially). Carmac explicitly stated, that IEM invites also have to pay for everythong themselves. You said in an earlier post, that there is "usually partial/full subsidized travelling", but that is just the case for a very small minority of players.
IEM won't even provide players with thongs o0? Outrageous.
I really don't understand the uproar here, players have been paying their own travel costs since BW. You are guaranteed 3k for just attending. It should be more than fine to cover travel costs and upkeep, especially given the 500 dollars already provided.
There is no uproar to find. I just said, that most tournaments do not pay to much of travell subsidation, so we should not expect Blizzard to be that big of an exception.
On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote: Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament.
I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money.
esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever.
I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table.
Kim Phan has explicitly said that Blizzard does not run WCS with the hope of any profit
Profit versus exposure and strategic partnerships are very different things.
Blizzard will never see a profit from WCS. Starcraft 2 is never going to explode, it's already past its prime, the best it can hope to do is slowly grow back to where it was in it's golden era and even then, Blizzard would still not be making a profit on the absurd costs of running WCS.
Make no mistake, they are passionate about their game, passionate enough to throw money at it with no possibility of returns. Exposure exists to generate profit, that's what it's for. WCS does not do that.
Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play.
Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL.
DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC.
Almost no tournaments do subsidized travel anymore. This guy claiming that everyone is doing it is nonsense. When there is subsidized travel it's generally one-two spots at the most, very rarely a full ride. The vast majority of people playing in those tournaments are paying out of their own pocket to go.
GSLs only region lock is the fact that nobody outside of Korea has the skill or the funds to play in it.
That is, what I was trying to tell him, that for example DH or EPS are exactly the same as GSL regarding region lock, but noone would call them totally region locked.
Qualified players from IEM, HSC and NASL were subsidized (source liquipedia). And I never said everyone... >.> I gave examples of premier tournaments to name a few. Seeded players I don't know.
Yes, but that also means, that for example 75% of HSC players don't get subsidized (at least not officially). Carmac explicitly stated, that IEM invites also have to pay for everythong themselves. You said in an earlier post, that there is "usually partial/full subsidized travelling", but that is just the case for a very small minority of players.
IEM won't even provide players with thongs o0? Outrageous.
I really don't understand the uproar here, players have been paying their own travel costs since BW. You are guaranteed 3k for just attending. It should be more than fine to cover travel costs and upkeep, especially given the 500 dollars already provided.
There is no uproar to find. I just said, that most tournaments do not pay to much of travell subsidation, so we should not expect Blizzard to be that big of an exception.
Goddamn it man! You're telling the SC2 community that it CAN'T act self-entitled? What the hell is wrong with you!?
On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote: Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament.
I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money.
esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever.
I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table.
Kim Phan has explicitly said that Blizzard does not run WCS with the hope of any profit
Profit versus exposure and strategic partnerships are very different things.
No, she explicitly said any potential benefits are secondary. There may still be exposure to be had, but it's not the reason WCS exists.
Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play.
Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL.
DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC.
Almost no tournaments do subsidized travel anymore. This guy claiming that everyone is doing it is nonsense. When there is subsidized travel it's generally one-two spots at the most, very rarely a full ride. The vast majority of people playing in those tournaments are paying out of their own pocket to go.
GSLs only region lock is the fact that nobody outside of Korea has the skill or the funds to play in it.
That is, what I was trying to tell him, that for example DH or EPS are exactly the same as GSL regarding region lock, but noone would call them totally region locked.
Qualified players from IEM, HSC and NASL were subsidized (source liquipedia). And I never said everyone... >.> I gave examples of premier tournaments to name a few. Seeded players I don't know.
Yes, but that also means, that for example 75% of HSC players don't get subsidized (at least not officially). Carmac explicitly stated, that IEM invites also have to pay for everythong themselves. You said in an earlier post, that there is "usually partial/full subsidized travelling", but that is just the case for a very small minority of players.
IEM won't even provide players with thongs o0? Outrageous.
I really don't understand the uproar here, players have been paying their own travel costs since BW. You are guaranteed 3k for just attending. It should be more than fine to cover travel costs and upkeep, especially given the 500 dollars already provided.
There is no uproar to find. I just said, that most tournaments do not pay to much of travell subsidation, so we should not expect Blizzard to be that big of an exception.
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the widespread and rather silly notion that travel expenses is something players should not have to deal with, when so has been the case since Esports was even a thing. I'm agreeing, I just wanted to quote you because your misspelling of everything made it quite funny given the context.
The battle : On my left we have ToTalBiscuit, this man wanted to invest all his money in the esport scene in order to become richer. Then reality came. The comunity is still very divided about him because of all his dramas and sh*t. On my right we have MajOr, an excellent player of starcraft2 who is not rich enough to participate in an event he might qualify for and have no team. The comunity is still divided about him because of his attitude and sh*t.
On June 05 2014 04:33 ppp wrote: The battle : On my left we have ToTalBiscuit, this man wanted to invest all his money in the esport scene in order to become richer. Then reality came. The comunity is still very divided about him because of all his dramas and sh*t. On my right we have MajOr, an excellent player of starcraft2 who is not rich enough to participate in an event he qualified for and have no team. The comunity is still divided about him because of his attitude and sh*t.
On June 05 2014 04:33 ppp wrote: The battle : On my left we have ToTalBiscuit, this man wanted to invest all his money in the esport scene in order to become richer. Then reality came. The comunity is still very divided about him because of all his dramas and sh*t. On my right we have MajOr, an excellent player of starcraft2 who is not rich enough to participate in an event he qualified for and have no team. The comunity is still divided about him because of his attitude and sh*t.
No offence to both of you. I don't care that much
I strongly doubt TB's forays into Esports were ever about getting rich. Setting your money on fire might be a worse idea than Esports if you're trying to make a profit, but just barely.
Came here for major vs tb and was not disappointed one bit! Wax trying to make the switch from heel to face by telling people to play nice was also amusing.
Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play.
Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL.
DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC.
Almost no tournaments do subsidized travel anymore. This guy claiming that everyone is doing it is nonsense. When there is subsidized travel it's generally one-two spots at the most, very rarely a full ride. The vast majority of people playing in those tournaments are paying out of their own pocket to go.
GSLs only region lock is the fact that nobody outside of Korea has the skill or the funds to play in it.
That is, what I was trying to tell him, that for example DH or EPS are exactly the same as GSL regarding region lock, but noone would call them totally region locked.
Qualified players from IEM, HSC and NASL were subsidized (source liquipedia). And I never said everyone... >.> I gave examples of premier tournaments to name a few. Seeded players I don't know.
Yes, but that also means, that for example 75% of HSC players don't get subsidized (at least not officially). Carmac explicitly stated, that IEM invites also have to pay for everythong themselves. You said in an earlier post, that there is "usually partial/full subsidized travelling", but that is just the case for a very small minority of players.
IEM won't even provide players with thongs o0? Outrageous.
I really don't understand the uproar here, players have been paying their own travel costs since BW. You are guaranteed 3k for just attending. It should be more than fine to cover travel costs and upkeep, especially given the 500 dollars already provided.
There is no uproar to find. I just said, that most tournaments do not pay to much of travell subsidation, so we should not expect Blizzard to be that big of an exception.
I wasn't talking about you, I was talking about the widespread and rather silly notion that travel expenses is something players should not have to deal with, when so has been the case since Esports was even a thing. I'm agreeing, I just wanted to quote you because your misspelling of everything made it quite funny given the context.
Oh, I didn't even see that until now. In this case everythIng is fine and I don't feel misunderstood anymore.
On June 05 2014 04:33 ppp wrote: The battle : On my left we have ToTalBiscuit, this man wanted to invest all his money in the esport scene in order to become richer. Then reality came. The comunity is still very divided about him because of all his dramas and sh*t. On my right we have MajOr, an excellent player of starcraft2 who is not rich enough to participate in an event he qualified for and have no team. The comunity is still divided about him because of his attitude and sh*t.
No offence to both of you. I don't care that much
I strongly doubt TB's forays into Esports were ever about getting rich. Setting your money on fire might be a worse idea than Esports if you're trying to make a profit, but just barely.
On June 05 2014 04:33 ppp wrote: The battle : On my left we have ToTalBiscuit, this man wanted to invest all his money in the esport scene in order to become richer. Then reality came. The comunity is still very divided about him because of all his dramas and sh*t. On my right we have MajOr, an excellent player of starcraft2 who is not rich enough to participate in an event he qualified for and have no team. The comunity is still divided about him because of his attitude and sh*t.
No offence to both of you. I don't care that much
I strongly doubt TB's forays into Esports were ever about getting rich. Setting your money on fire might be a worse idea than Esports if you're trying to make a profit, but just barely.
On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote: Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament.
I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money.
esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever.
I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table.
Kim Phan has explicitly said that Blizzard does not run WCS with the hope of any profit
Profit versus exposure and strategic partnerships are very different things.
No, she explicitly said any potential benefits are secondary. There may still be exposure to be had, but it's not the reason WCS exists.
Then somehow I find that statement hard to believe. I doubt this expense shows up under the "Donations" section of the Blizzard/Activision P&L as well as Letter to Shareholders and public filing. And, instead, is a marketing expense. I don't see a company like Blizzard being altruistic and "saving" esports by donating millions of dollars. I don't think their shareholders would appreciate something like this without a direct or indirect return. So, again, I find that statement hard to believe without an ulterior motive. Seems like "we put the gamers first" is a nice spin people want to believe.
EPT
Wax trying to make the switch from heel to face by telling people to play nice was also amusing. 
