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On June 05 2014 04:14 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:13 JohnChoi wrote:
If I was this guy I would pocket the money and take the crucero bus up to LA. probably cost like 30$ :D :D It would also mean he wouldn't have to deal with customs at LAX, which could be worth the bus ride all by itself.
From personal experience I completely agree with you.
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Well, one more reason to dislike Major. What a child and disgrace to the scene.
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I'm just sitting here pressing F5, don't mind me.
Surprisingly there actually is one thing that would excuse that kind of behavior, and that is if Major approved participatin with different rules and them being changed midway without proper contact and in a timely mannaer. Otherwise it's just a case of first world problems, I'm fine either way.
It's been only recently that I started to understand that there's also money invlved and it's not just competition for competition's sake. I used to loathe EG's team model, but that was because I never fully understood what it really was, my view clouded by reading about and watching Korean teams play.
It's just that when you read shit like this, and then watch Jaedong talk about how he lost courage 9 times before even becoming a progamer, which took him either a year or 2 (can't remember) all the while most probably having to pay a fee to live in his clan's teamhouse (cause that's how they operate), or the Korean scene who have one individual tournament at home which is basically like a gladiator arena... I don't know I just bacome sad, as lame as it sounds. But also my view of the foreign scene becomes clearer, so there's some good in this I guess
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On June 05 2014 04:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:09 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:03 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:00 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:54 MajOr wrote:
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what you talking about? you read my skype nowdays? as i said i mesaged alot of people that should know about this involved with wcs, and they all ignored me what im supposed to do just sit there and do nothing? why you dont mnd your own shit. A quick lesson. You forfeited the right to say "mind your own shit" as soon as you posted the crap all over Twitter. You made it public, deal with the consequences. ? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread. It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why i am too busy beating your easy players I think you mean forfeiting my tournaments. Do the same here, give the spot to someone who deserves it. ah not bad brgining back and old tournament i am sorry ur salty about me forfeiting your tournament when i was playing from a exibition computer. as i told you already  i was busy winning 10k that weekened sorry. I think you mean knowingly double-booking yourself, playing like an idiot then bailing on an event mid-series while MaSa was wiping the floor with you, after you took a spot from someone else. I wasn't aware lag also affected the brain. For the record, the last time you beat one of my players was in September 2013 in Acer Teamstory cup (which was amusing because you didn't have a team then either), if you wanna talk about "old tournaments"  hahaha ok btw i deserve the spot just cause i won it in a fair way(ladder rules of your tournament) and i can do w.e i want with my spot after that not that i tried to forfeit i tried to make it work playing from the lan i didnt overbook it on purpose they told me they would have a good computer for me to play on. they didnt what you want me to do? and u cant call me playing like an idiot. have you seen your self play? lol Sure, you can do whatever you want with your spot. What you chose to do was make a mockery of the event and make yourself look bad. In doing so you also tanked any possibility of that tournament ever coming back, sponsors won't touch it now thanks to the forfeits. They don't see the American scene as being something worthy of support and at this point I agree with them. I personally have no intention of doing NA only events anymore. You made a mockery of the event and the NA scene, seriously, you literally hurt your own scene which is a bit funny considering you're now trying to ask Blizzard to support it more. Charity begins at home. I'm sure my play is very relevant to the discussion. After all, I am a progamer.... Your record against my team is 16-6 btw and no that's not in your favour. Next time you want to talk about being busy beating up my players you might want to check Aligulac first
uh. its not like i didnt try to play your tournament i tried, the other tournament told me they had a computer good enough for me to play in your event. i wanted to play i tried to play simply didnt work out it was a horrible pc that couldnt even run sc2 if you cant undestearnd that. nothing i can do
and u cant blame me for your tournament not running again when i told you i was gonna be playing another tournament in those dates and YOU agreed with the conditions i gave you, that the other tournament would give me a good pc to play on. they didnt nothing neither you or i could do. so i have no clue why you bring this thing back up
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On June 05 2014 04:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:14 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 05 2014 04:13 JohnChoi wrote:
If I was this guy I would pocket the money and take the crucero bus up to LA. probably cost like 30$ :D :D It would also mean he wouldn't have to deal with customs at LAX, which could be worth the bus ride all by itself. From personal experience I completely agree with you.
I live in LA dude, there are few places I dislike more than that fucking airport.
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On June 05 2014 04:17 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:14 Vindicare605 wrote:On June 05 2014 04:13 JohnChoi wrote:
If I was this guy I would pocket the money and take the crucero bus up to LA. probably cost like 30$ :D :D It would also mean he wouldn't have to deal with customs at LAX, which could be worth the bus ride all by itself. From personal experience I completely agree with you. I live in LA dude, there are few places I dislike more than that fucking airport.
Dem first world problems bra
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On June 05 2014 04:13 eScaper-tsunami wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:11 Xoronius wrote:On June 05 2014 04:07 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 04:03 Xoronius wrote:On June 05 2014 04:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:58 Xoronius wrote:On June 05 2014 03:55 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 03:48 Xoronius wrote:
Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play. Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL. DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC. Almost no tournaments do subsidized travel anymore. This guy claiming that everyone is doing it is nonsense. When there is subsidized travel it's generally one-two spots at the most, very rarely a full ride. The vast majority of people playing in those tournaments are paying out of their own pocket to go. GSLs only region lock is the fact that nobody outside of Korea has the skill or the funds to play in it. That is, what I was trying to tell him, that for example DH or EPS are exactly the same as GSL regarding region lock, but noone would call them totally region locked. Qualified players from IEM, HSC and NASL were subsidized (source liquipedia). And I never said everyone... >.> I gave examples of premier tournaments to name a few. Seeded players I don't know. Yes, but that also means, that for example 75% of HSC players don't get subsidized (at least not officially). Carmac explicitly stated, that IEM invites also have to pay for everythong themselves. You said in an earlier post, that there is "usually partial/full subsidized travelling", but that is just the case for a very small minority of players. Sorry, I should've clarified previously that I was implying qualifiers. Since I was noting the differences in GSL and other premier tournaments. The differences in GSL qualifiers and other premier tournaments qualifiers makes it far more region locked.
I can kinda see your point, but personally I'd still disagree with it, since the technical circumstances are just a big obstacle, but no definite end for any player. Anyway, we're getting away from the topic, I'd suggest we stop this side-discussion at this
point.
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burbank airport is so much easier to get in and out than lax
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On June 05 2014 04:13 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:12 stuchiu wrote:On June 05 2014 04:10 KadaverBB wrote:On June 05 2014 04:09 NovemberstOrm wrote:On June 05 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:03 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:00 MajOr wrote:
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? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread. It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why i am too busy beating your easy players I think you mean forfeiting my tournaments. Do the same here, give the spot to someone who deserves it. ah not bad brgining back and old tournament i am sorry ur salty about me forfeiting your tournament when i was playing from a exibition computer. as i told you already i was busy winning 10k that weekened sorry. I think you mean knowingly double-booking yourself, playing like an idiot then bailing on an event mid-series while MaSa was wiping the floor with you, after you took a spot from someone else. I wasn't aware lag also affected the brain. For the record, the last time you beat one of my players was in September 2013 in Acer Teamstory cup (which was amusing because you didn't have a team then either), if you wanna talk about "old tournaments" Guys take it to pm's please if you have personal qualms, thanks. that would be nice, yes. But what will entertain me till tomorrow? Yes, I would appreciate it if this could stay public! I was just searching for a new series to watch, but nothing will come close to this.
Well, it's just sad this thread couldn't come up one day later till HSC - I'm sure Take would have something to add about Major and travel-expenses...
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On June 05 2014 03:56 ssxsilver wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:54 SirPinky wrote:On June 05 2014 03:10 xuanzue wrote:On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote:
Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament. I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money. esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever. I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table. If Blizzard was truly all about the bottom line, then they'd do away with WCS completely and focus on Hearthstone. WCS is, more or less, a passion project for them.
They need to maintain some level of market share with LOTV.
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On June 05 2014 04:17 MajOr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:09 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:03 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:00 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 03:58 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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A quick lesson. You forfeited the right to say "mind your own shit" as soon as you posted the crap all over Twitter. You made it public, deal with the consequences. ? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread. It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why i am too busy beating your easy players I think you mean forfeiting my tournaments. Do the same here, give the spot to someone who deserves it. ah not bad brgining back and old tournament i am sorry ur salty about me forfeiting your tournament when i was playing from a exibition computer. as i told you already i was busy winning 10k that weekened sorry. I think you mean knowingly double-booking yourself, playing like an idiot then bailing on an event mid-series while MaSa was wiping the floor with you, after you took a spot from someone else. I wasn't aware lag also affected the brain. For the record, the last time you beat one of my players was in September 2013 in Acer Teamstory cup (which was amusing because you didn't have a team then either), if you wanna talk about "old tournaments" hahaha ok btw i deserve the spot just cause i won it in a fair way(ladder rules of your tournament) and i can do w.e i want with my spot after that not that i tried to forfeit i tried to make it work playing from the lan i didnt overbook it on purpose they told me they would have a good computer for me to play on. they didnt what you want me to do? and u cant call me playing like an idiot. have you seen your self play? lol Sure, you can do whatever you want with your spot. What you chose to do was make a mockery of the event and make yourself look bad. In doing so you also tanked any possibility of that tournament ever coming back, sponsors won't touch it now thanks to the forfeits. They don't see the American scene as being something worthy of support and at this point I agree with them. I personally have no intention of doing NA only events anymore. You made a mockery of the event and the NA scene, seriously, you literally hurt your own scene which is a bit funny considering you're now trying to ask Blizzard to support it more. Charity begins at home. I'm sure my play is very relevant to the discussion. After all, I am a progamer.... Your record against my team is 16-6 btw and no that's not in your favour. Next time you want to talk about being busy beating up my players you might want to check Aligulac first uh. its not like i didnt try to play your tournament i tried, the other tournament told me they had a computer good enough for me to play in your event. i wanted to play i tried to play simply didnt work out it was a horrible pc that couldnt even run sc2 if you cant undestearnd that. nothing i can do and u cant blame me for your tournament not running again when i told you i was gonna be playing another tournament in those dates and YOU agreed with the conditions i gave you, that the other tournament would give me a good pc to play on. they didnt nothing neither you or i could do. so i have no clue why you bring this thing back up
I made the mistake of trusting that you would play a series to completion even if the conditions were not so great, because that's what a professional player would do. It was a good learning experience for me. As I recall at the time you said your PC was runnnig sc2 at "about 50fps", which is not ideal but it's certainly not a "horrible pc that couldnt even run sc2". Let's call it what it is. Your were in a sub-par environment, which sucks, but it happens, you were losing, you tilted and forfeited.
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On June 05 2014 04:19 Myt wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:13 Musicus wrote:On June 05 2014 04:12 stuchiu wrote:On June 05 2014 04:10 KadaverBB wrote:On June 05 2014 04:09 NovemberstOrm wrote:On June 05 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:03 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why i am too busy beating your easy players I think you mean forfeiting my tournaments. Do the same here, give the spot to someone who deserves it. ah not bad brgining back and old tournament i am sorry ur salty about me forfeiting your tournament when i was playing from a exibition computer. as i told you already i was busy winning 10k that weekened sorry. I think you mean knowingly double-booking yourself, playing like an idiot then bailing on an event mid-series while MaSa was wiping the floor with you, after you took a spot from someone else. I wasn't aware lag also affected the brain. For the record, the last time you beat one of my players was in September 2013 in Acer Teamstory cup (which was amusing because you didn't have a team then either), if you wanna talk about "old tournaments" Guys take it to pm's please if you have personal qualms, thanks. that would be nice, yes. But what will entertain me till tomorrow? Yes, I would appreciate it if this could stay public! I was just searching for a new series to watch, but nothing will come close to this. Well, it's just sad this thread couldn't come up one day later till HSC - I'm sure Take would have something to add about Major and travel-expenses...
? yes i didnt go hsc he got his money back? why i didnt go? cause i was sick the day of the flight i have said this alot of times already
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Poll: Head?TotalBiscuit (119) 81% MajOr (28) 19% 147 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): MajOr
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Poll: Heart?TotalBiscuit (83) 69% If you have time (24) 20% MajOr (14) 12% 121 total votes Your vote: Heart? (Vote): TotalBiscuit
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Give a fixed amount to people outside of NA - 1000$ seems fine. Cover the entire flight, whatever the cost for people within NA.
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On June 05 2014 04:22 xtorn wrote:Poll: Head?TotalBiscuit (119) 81% MajOr (28) 19% 147 total votes Your vote: Head? (Vote): MajOr
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Where's my "neither" choice?
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On June 05 2014 04:11 Xoronius wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:07 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 04:03 Xoronius wrote:On June 05 2014 04:00 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 03:58 Xoronius wrote:On June 05 2014 03:55 eScaper-tsunami wrote:On June 05 2014 03:48 Xoronius wrote:
Pls name one premier tournament other than TSL, were you don't have to be in the region to play. Most tournaments have multiple online qualifiers (IEM, NASL, HSC to name a few). Then there's usually partial/full subsidized travelling for those who qualify. Which is essentially the same as WCS format. But the difference is that GSL has none of those, there's no tournament out there that's more region locked than GSL. DH also has no qualifiers, people have to pay that for themselves. EPS has no online qualifiers and still seems to get overrun by koreans next season. HSC is mostly invites, IEM partially. AFAIK at least HSC has a certain travelling budget for qualifiers as well, although that is pretty big IIRC. Almost no tournaments do subsidized travel anymore. This guy claiming that everyone is doing it is nonsense. When there is subsidized travel it's generally one-two spots at the most, very rarely a full ride. The vast majority of people playing in those tournaments are paying out of their own pocket to go. GSLs only region lock is the fact that nobody outside of Korea has the skill or the funds to play in it. That is, what I was trying to tell him, that for example DH or EPS are exactly the same as GSL regarding region lock, but noone would call them totally region locked. Qualified players from IEM, HSC and NASL were subsidized (source liquipedia). And I never said everyone... >.> I gave examples of premier tournaments to name a few. Seeded players I don't know. Yes, but that also means, that for example 75% of HSC players don't get subsidized (at least not officially). Carmac explicitly stated, that IEM invites also have to pay for everythong themselves. You said in an earlier post, that there is "usually partial/full subsidized travelling", but that is just the case for a very small minority of players.
IEM won't even provide players with thongs o0? Outrageous.
I really don't understand the uproar here, players have been paying their own travel costs since BW. You are guaranteed 3k for just attending. It should be more than fine to cover travel costs and upkeep, especially given the 500 dollars already provided.
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On June 05 2014 04:21 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 04:17 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:09 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:05 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:03 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:02 MajOr wrote:On June 05 2014 04:01 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 05 2014 04:00 MajOr wrote:
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? nope you still can deal with your own shit, you dont have to put your nose on every TL thread. It boggles the mind that you don't have a team, I can't imagine why i am too busy beating your easy players I think you mean forfeiting my tournaments. Do the same here, give the spot to someone who deserves it. ah not bad brgining back and old tournament i am sorry ur salty about me forfeiting your tournament when i was playing from a exibition computer. as i told you already i was busy winning 10k that weekened sorry. I think you mean knowingly double-booking yourself, playing like an idiot then bailing on an event mid-series while MaSa was wiping the floor with you, after you took a spot from someone else. I wasn't aware lag also affected the brain. For the record, the last time you beat one of my players was in September 2013 in Acer Teamstory cup (which was amusing because you didn't have a team then either), if you wanna talk about "old tournaments" hahaha ok btw i deserve the spot just cause i won it in a fair way(ladder rules of your tournament) and i can do w.e i want with my spot after that not that i tried to forfeit i tried to make it work playing from the lan i didnt overbook it on purpose they told me they would have a good computer for me to play on. they didnt what you want me to do? and u cant call me playing like an idiot. have you seen your self play? lol Sure, you can do whatever you want with your spot. What you chose to do was make a mockery of the event and make yourself look bad. In doing so you also tanked any possibility of that tournament ever coming back, sponsors won't touch it now thanks to the forfeits. They don't see the American scene as being something worthy of support and at this point I agree with them. I personally have no intention of doing NA only events anymore. You made a mockery of the event and the NA scene, seriously, you literally hurt your own scene which is a bit funny considering you're now trying to ask Blizzard to support it more. Charity begins at home. I'm sure my play is very relevant to the discussion. After all, I am a progamer.... Your record against my team is 16-6 btw and no that's not in your favour. Next time you want to talk about being busy beating up my players you might want to check Aligulac first uh. its not like i didnt try to play your tournament i tried, the other tournament told me they had a computer good enough for me to play in your event. i wanted to play i tried to play simply didnt work out it was a horrible pc that couldnt even run sc2 if you cant undestearnd that. nothing i can do and u cant blame me for your tournament not running again when i told you i was gonna be playing another tournament in those dates and YOU agreed with the conditions i gave you, that the other tournament would give me a good pc to play on. they didnt nothing neither you or i could do. so i have no clue why you bring this thing back up I made the mistake of trusting that you would play a series to completion even if the conditions were not so great, because that's what a professional player would do. It was a good learning experience for me. As I recall at the time you said your PC was runnnig sc2 at "about 50fps", which is not ideal but it's certainly not a "horrible pc that couldnt even run sc2". Let's call it what it is. Your were in a sub-par environment, which sucks, but it happens, you were losing, you tilted and forfeited.
no the computer couldnt really run sc2 at all it i still remember the game on polar where he killed 10 marines with 1 banshee cause my marines would literally stuter yes i was mad about it, but i tried to play it on thats why i played 3games but to be honest i shouldnt had play a single one. it really was unplayable. i even tried to rush back to home to play from my house but i couldnt leave the venue since i had 1 more match. yes it sucks i wanted to play but u cant just come and say i killed your tournamnet cause i couldnt play.
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So would this still count as on topic?
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On June 05 2014 04:12 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2014 03:54 SirPinky wrote:On June 05 2014 03:10 xuanzue wrote:On June 05 2014 02:15 Technique wrote:
Be happy you get $500...
A pro would not need the tournament organizer to pay for him anyway... he's gonna win the money back and then some in the tournament. I have several friends who are chess players, they (my friends) have to pay for their travel costs, hotels, fees to enter on any tournament. so if they don't win the prize, they plainly loss money. esports is the only place where organizers must pay players to play in their tournaments. because somehow players can't loss any money ever. I don't see chess bringing hundreds of thousands of viewers. This is a poor comparison. Blizzard doesn't do this to lose money; that is not how you operate a business. Every company has a budget for marketing: This gives them exposure of their product and brings strategic partners to the table. Kim Phan has explicitly said that Blizzard does not run WCS with the hope of any profit
Profit versus exposure and strategic partnerships are very different things.
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