EPT"Shellshocked" should be thing.
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Im going to Shellshock you
ESGN in financial difficulties? - Page 5
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TheBloodyDwarf
Finland7524 Posts
"Shellshocked" should be thing. Or Im going to Shellshock you | ||
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AlternativeEgo
Sweden17309 Posts
Why was I never told about this? They held a Starcraft show? I watch Starcraft. A lot. But no, not a word. Wow you guys. | ||
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Pembar
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Arthayze
France108 Posts
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Krogan
Sweden375 Posts
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JustPassingBy
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
They just lit a big money bonfire and now its in ashes and everybody was watching in awe, knowingly. | ||
Liquid`Ret
Netherlands4523 Posts
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On May 29 2014 17:56 Arthayze wrote: I thought it was common knowledge that the Sapinda group uses e-sports as a way of hiding their financial losses ? Like, "no no we didn't lose a lot of money we invested in something!" knowing very well there'll be only losses and no returns. Yeh, that was actually why I wasn't impressed at all by Richard Lewis article. All the information posted in the article was something I had actually researched myself to weeks prior in about an hour. The real question is what type of advantage the guys behind Sapinda gets from investing in nonprofitable investments. It would be awesome to see journalists research on that subject. | ||
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traderjoe
Germany69 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
On May 29 2014 20:22 Hider wrote: Yeh, that was actually why I wasn't impressed at all by Richard Lewis article. All the information posted in the article was something I had actually researched myself to weeks prior in about an hour. The real question is what type of advantage the guys behind Sapinda gets from investing in nonprofitable investments. It would be awesome to see journalists research on that subject. Yeah, you know, journalists job isn't always to inform people who are already informed, but to inform those who aren't. Good job on you though, I am really impressed with your research. Keep it up, champ! | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On May 29 2014 20:22 Hider wrote: Yeh, that was actually why I wasn't impressed at all by Richard Lewis article. All the information posted in the article was something I had actually researched myself to weeks prior in about an hour. The real question is what type of advantage the guys behind Sapinda gets from investing in nonprofitable investments. It would be awesome to see journalists research on that subject. they could report more losses then they really did lose, paying less taxes. money laundering is always another issue. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Kergy
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WoodLeagueAllStar
United States806 Posts
The leadership in this failure don't deserve to be paid for doing such a poor job, if anyone should get paid though it should be the technical guys because I haven't seen any issues there. I mean I will join the sadness for the people who won't get paid but also remember that everyone involved with this gets it on their resumes at worst its a unpaid internship. I personally liked the show but nobody would give it a chance because of the showgirls, I think they underestimated how much people would get offended by that. Also the showgirls never changing their outfits was embarrassing, I think we would see them in schoolgirl outfits all year? I forget but whatever. After seeing what Frodan and Lauren were able to do at NASL I was hoping him and the showgirls could do some funny interactions. Also, the problem with doing the entire thing pre-recorded was they couldn't change their approach or do enough adaptation to serve their viewers better. We told them to change things and they say "we're listening, we are" then of course the deed was done and the showgirls remained. The SC2 content was the worst... ugh. Too much randomness and awkward English interviews sober with a bunch of guys only fun when drunk. I loved the fighting game content, those guys were funny and nice to see some other persons of color in eSports and the couch interactions were the best, but I kept looking for it but forgetting it was on and doing something else. Which is the main problem with fight night, you tune in then its a game you don't want then forget when it is a game you want. I wish the entire thing was just FGC also but they needed Hearthstone. The problem with Hearthstone was, the boring rules and presentation, listen I can watch a turn based card game, but if turns last 5 minutes ain't nobody got time for that, does it take that much time to decide? BTW I feel Hearthstone is a game on a serious decline, I notice Kripparian and Hafu getting half the viewers, and hope the 250k tournament isn't a huge bust. Welp thats my post mortem, sorry to all involved.  | ||
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imre
France9263 Posts
On May 29 2014 23:57 crms wrote: can we start calling out all the personalities and members of these consistent snake oil, scam artists? I'm looking at everyone involved in peddling these products and the behind the scene managers of EGM, Azubu, Clauf, tumba, artosis, etc., it's always the same clowns involved in all of these projects. Are we just going to keep ignoring that because they were nice members of the community at one point? don't worry they're all working hard with GEM. + Show Spoiler + On May 30 2014 00:16 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote: Lots of hindsight in this thread, of course they didn't know they would lose so much money. That makes them bad people for giving eSports a try? C'mon guys! The leadership in this failure don't deserve to be paid for doing such a poor job, if anyone should get paid though it should be the technical guys because I haven't seen any issues there. I mean I will join the sadness for the people who won't get paid but also remember that everyone involved with this gets it on their resumes at worst its a unpaid internship. I personally liked the show but nobody would give it a chance because of the showgirls, I think they underestimated how much people would get offended by that. Also the showgirls never changing their outfits was embarrassing, I think we would see them in schoolgirl outfits all year? I forget but whatever. After seeing what Frodan and Lauren were able to do at NASL I was hoping him and the showgirls could do some funny interactions. Also, the problem with doing the entire thing pre-recorded was they couldn't change their approach or do enough adaptation to serve their viewers better. We told them to change things and they say "we're listening, we are" then of course the deed was done and the showgirls remained. The SC2 content was the worst... ugh. Too much randomness and awkward English interviews sober with a bunch of guys only fun when drunk. I loved the fighting game content, those guys were funny and nice to see some other persons of color in eSports and the couch interactions were the best, but I kept looking for it but forgetting it was on and doing something else. Which is the main problem with fight night, you tune in then its a game you don't want then forget when it is a game you want. I wish the entire thing was just FGC also but they needed Hearthstone. The problem with Hearthstone was, the boring rules and presentation, listen I can watch a turn based card game, but if turns last 5 minutes ain't nobody got time for that, does it take that much time to decide? BTW I feel Hearthstone is a game on a serious decline, I notice Kripparian and Hafu getting half the viewers, and hope the 250k tournament isn't a huge bust. Welp thats my post mortem, sorry to all involved. if you dare to inform yourself on Windhorst, sapinda and azubu you'd know why people are acting like that. The irony is that ESGN were bad enough to burn the money that quickly from what was most likely an investment scam since the beginning | ||
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Hider
Denmark9447 Posts
On May 29 2014 20:59 nkr wrote: Yeah, you know, journalists job isn't always to inform people who are already informed, but to inform those who aren't. Good job on you though, I am really impressed with your research. Keep it up, champ! I didn't say it was bad. I just said it wasn't this journalistic masterpiece that some guys at Reddit thought it was. It was rather basic journalism. Richard Lewis himself kinda agreed on that when he himself stated that it was all infromation that was easy to find on the Internet. Now what really impressed me on the other hand though was that TL guy who first wrote on Azubu before anyone else had raised mysterious concerns. That guy definitely did more than one would expect. they could report more losses then they really did lose, paying less taxes. money laundering is always another issue. Who reports more losses? Sapinda Investment Group? That would work through them clamining to investing $26M in Azubu and claiming to loss it all despite only investing like $2M (and losing $2M)? | ||
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felisconcolori
United States6168 Posts
On May 30 2014 02:04 Hider wrote: I didn't say it was bad. I just said it wasn't this journalistic masterpiece that some guys at Reddit thought it was. It was rather basic journalism. Richard Lewis himself kinda agreed on that when he himself stated that it was all infromation that was easy to find on the Internet. Now what really impressed me on the other hand though was that TL guy who first wrote on Azubu before anyone else had raised mysterious concerns. That guy definitely did more than one would expect. Who reports more losses? Sapinda Investment Group? That would work through them clamining to investing $26M in Azubu and claiming to loss it all despite only investing like $2M (and losing $2M)? Your money laundering fu is not quite up to par. Making investments in businesses that end in losses is only one part of the operation. Tax-wise, they invested 1.6 mil and lost 1.6mil. What you don't see is who payments were made to by the investment vehicle, and how those payments were made. Think $600 hammers and outside consultants. However, that's all IF Sapinda is engaged in alleged money laundering through eSports loss vehicles. | ||
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Kasaraki
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