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Irrational_Animal
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1059 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-29 22:14:11
May 29 2014 22:04 GMT
#101
Well then everythings works as intended. They burn money and get bancrupt while doing so. After their collapse they claim to have lost oven more money than previously assumed et voilà(!) freshly laundered money goes into the wallets of some super-duper-investors.
JonnyBNoHo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States6277 Posts
May 29 2014 22:13 GMT
#102
Generally if you want to launder money you shift ill-gotten gains through a profitable enterprise. Dirty money goes in, clean money comes out - laundered as it were. $600 hammers and outside consultants wouldn't make a lot of sense if your goal is just to launder your own money. Sure, what you spend on yourself gets laundered, but everything else the operation spends money on is a loss to you.

It's possible they were committing some sort of tax or investor fraud (I haven't read anything that supports this), but that doesn't sound very compatible with laundering.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 29 2014 23:49 GMT
#103
http://www.ongamers.com/articles/starcraft-players-owed-payments-from-esgn-fight-night-s2/1100-1598/

unsurprisingly the players weren't paid either.
TechNoTrance
Profile Joined May 2012
Canada1007 Posts
May 30 2014 00:03 GMT
#104
What a sad state of affairs this is when saying "not surprised" is becoming extremely cliche. Can't wait till clauf/sapinda/esgn/GEM are done with sc2.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18648 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-30 00:19:00
May 30 2014 00:18 GMT
#105
Doesnt no contract mean that legally the staff arent even entitled to money?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-05-30 00:20:43
May 30 2014 00:19 GMT
#106
On May 30 2014 09:18 sharkie wrote:
Doesnt no contract mean that legally the staff arent even entitled to money?


that is correct.

even if they had contracts I doubt they could enforce them.
itsjustatank
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Hong Kong9176 Posts
May 30 2014 00:42 GMT
#107
in general, verbal agreements are contracts and are enforceable. it is just much harder to do so.
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felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
May 30 2014 01:51 GMT
#108
On May 30 2014 09:42 itsjustatank wrote:
in general, verbal agreements are contracts and are enforceable. it is just much harder to do so.


Generally, but it'll depend on German law because they're in Germany. Although a lot of their employees are not German citizens, which can be a curveball for jurisdiction and standing, maybe.

Obviously, IANAL - but it does add complications. (Think of Hyun's problem with Quantic.)

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Yora
Profile Joined March 2013
United States35 Posts
June 01 2014 05:00 GMT
#109
On May 29 2014 20:04 Liquid`Ret wrote:
all that money, used so very wrongly :/


Hey, them titties were a crucial investment.
OgerGolg
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany65 Posts
June 03 2014 18:13 GMT
#110
On May 30 2014 10:51 felisconcolori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 30 2014 09:42 itsjustatank wrote:
in general, verbal agreements are contracts and are enforceable. it is just much harder to do so.


Generally, but it'll depend on German law because they're in Germany. Although a lot of their employees are not German citizens, which can be a curveball for jurisdiction and standing, maybe.


The german law is quite good in this regard (handling these kind of problems) and verbal agreements with payment are like working contracts.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33624 Posts
June 03 2014 18:21 GMT
#111
On May 30 2014 07:13 JonnyBNoHo wrote:
Generally if you want to launder money you shift ill-gotten gains through a profitable enterprise. Dirty money goes in, clean money comes out - laundered as it were. $600 hammers and outside consultants wouldn't make a lot of sense if your goal is just to launder your own money. Sure, what you spend on yourself gets laundered, but everything else the operation spends money on is a loss to you.

It's possible they were committing some sort of tax or investor fraud (I haven't read anything that supports this), but that doesn't sound very compatible with laundering.


actually one of the names previously connected to azubu is in exile from korea due to securities fraud D:

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