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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
Sure! I like the health decrease if that goes from 100% to 33% in like 15 seconds and then they die. I want to introduce a cooldown / period of weakness whilst making Locust more powerful in smaller numbers. Thinking of melee range or larger unit models! 3 Locust might do the same, but they are so small they usually don't get in the way of each other! | ||
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Xiphos
Canada7507 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:49 SC2Toastie wrote: That is so damn vague... Interesting? What? How? Faster? More Range? Less damage? Cost per spawn? Dynamics? Like what? What is a 'dynamic'?! A really interesting move would be to actually give Viper's tendacles their own "HP". And you can have units to weigh differently so the fatter a unit is, the more time it takes to drag the units to your location. But the opponent can decide to kill the tendacle to stop the units from being dragged too far. And also another interesting aspect Blizzard can do is to insert a "stop dragging" option to determine how much distance would you want to unit to be dragged. There are PLENTY of interesting and original ideas that Blizzard can come up with in order to create fun to use units and create great interaction based upon player's skills. Instead we get a "casual" friendly product that players get bored rather quickly. And hopes for Blizzard to change their attitude toward SC2 is void. | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Changes like this are just poor design. You end up with a ton of unintuitive corner cases, which makes learning the game much harder. All changes need to make sense when compared to previously existing changes. You could presumably design a balanced game where each unit deals a different amount of damage to each other unit, and with weird unit caps to each unit but it would be way too restrictive and confusing to play. Except there is already a unit cap for each unit that isn't identical to all units; it's called supply. Also, it exists already with the Mothership, and no one is complaining about it being unintuitive or poor game design, at least not with the amount you can have. | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
Want a example ? Lalush video about air pathing. " Ugh it's too complicated, people might get confused, we don't want to do anything " | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:54 Thieving Magpie wrote: Not that I agree with him (its one of the dumber ideas I've heard) but the unit limit has already been done with the Mothership and the Mothership Core. Blizz is already okay with arbitrary non-supply limitations in the number of units. I think a limit of 1, clearly indicating that this is a highly specialized and rare unit, is sort of fine. I don't like it, but it kind of works. Having a completely random and arbitrary limit on a regular army unit like 15 or something would be incredibly weird and unintuitive. It also flies in the face of one of the basic ideas of zerg, huge techswaps to respond to whatever your opponent is doing. Just give broodlords a passive buff called "immovable" or some shit like that and make it immune to abducts. It's a band aid, an ugly one and leaves a bad taste, but there is really nothing else they can do unless they want to get serious about bigger issues with the game, which seems exceedingly improbable. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:58 ANLProbe wrote: Siege tanks different race. Abduct is countered by Feedback and the Impaler is a far more interesting unit than the SH. I agree, but overlapping unit roles, even across races, is not preferable. As for abduct being countered by Feedback, yes, but it still overlaps a bit! That being said, the Impaler was cool to play with. Could it be a good addition to SC2? I don't know, it very well may! | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:57 SC2Toastie wrote: No, it wouldn't. It make them an unviable option and thus screwing lategame ZvP/ZvMech So buff ultralisks and zerg's T3. Swarm host is a boring, uncreative unit to use. | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:59 Noocta wrote: Want a example ? Lalush video about air pathing. " Ugh it's too complicated, people might get confused, we don't want to do anything " Ignoring the amount of rebalancing and recoding that would go into that... | ||
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SC2Toastie
Netherlands5725 Posts
On May 07 2014 04:00 darkness wrote: So buff ultralisks and zerg's T3. Swarm host is a boring, uncreative unit to use. I agree with that. Somebody said something of making Queen production more vialbe. You could go even further and give them Hive Tech abilities for better combat use. Ultras and Broodlords both have obvious counters and big flaws, but that is also what makes them interesting... | ||
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Ercster
United States603 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:54 Thieving Magpie wrote: Not that I agree with him (its one of the dumber ideas I've heard) but the unit limit has already been done with the Mothership and the Mothership Core. Blizz is already okay with arbitrary non-supply limitations in the number of units. What exactly is dumb about it? | ||
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ANLProbe
667 Posts
On May 07 2014 04:00 darkness wrote: So buff ultralisks and zerg's T3. Swarm host is a boring, uncreative unit to use. Then Ultras would be OP in TvZ. Zerg need their harass options buffed like Nydus and Drops. BLs could use some love however. | ||
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Sapphire.lux
Romania2620 Posts
Yeah, of red herrings to. | ||
Shellshock
United States97274 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:59 Ercster wrote: Except there is already a unit cap for each unit that isn't identical to all units; it's called supply. Also, it exists already with the Mothership, and no one is complaining about it being unintuitive or poor game design, at least not with the amount you can have. To be fair people actually did complain a lot about the 1 unit cap and having "hero units" in the game as far back as the original mothership in WoL and a lot more when the hero Thor was supposed to replace the standard thor in HoTS. The thor change got scrapped but they never did anything about the msc/mothership | ||
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Noocta
France12578 Posts
On May 07 2014 04:00 SC2Toastie wrote: Ignoring the amount of rebalancing and recoding that would go into that... Yeah, so much people manage to change it in custom maps. I thought expansions allowed for that kind of consideration. But no, adding a projectile to Fungal was revolutionary enough apparently. And damn, sorry you got banned. I wasn't the one reporting you. I'm fine discussing stuff. :/ | ||
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Falling
Canada11265 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:54 Thieving Magpie wrote: Not that I agree with him (its one of the dumber ideas I've heard) but the unit limit has already been done with the Mothership and the Mothership Core. Blizz is already okay with arbitrary non-supply limitations in the number of units. It's still not a good solution. It basically acknowledges that they've made a unit that snowballs too well, but doesn't change the underlying cause on why it snowballs. Plus the swarmhost doesn't really even have special spells that would make it even feel like a hero unit like the Mothership. (And I never liked the idea of a mothership in the first place.) I mean, realistically this could be the solution to any unit composition problem. Hypothetical: Marauders are too good and Terran will only make pure marauders to snipe everything on the ground and shrug off air attacks. Solution? You can only make 20 marauders... or fix the reason why Terran only goes marauders every game. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:54 Thieving Magpie wrote: Not that I agree with him (its one of the dumber ideas I've heard) but the unit limit has already been done with the Mothership and the Mothership Core. Blizz is already okay with arbitrary non-supply limitations in the number of units. I know, unfortunately. The fact that Blizzard has done it before does not mean its not poor design (though a limit of one isn't too terrible concept wise), and also does not mean they should do it again. | ||
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Kupon3ss
時の回廊10066 Posts
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On May 07 2014 04:00 SC2Toastie wrote: Ignoring the amount of rebalancing and recoding that would go into that... That is certainly a legitimate argument, yet only to a point. Some issues do not warrant the massive changes required to deal with them, but perhaps some of them do. Protoss is likely a lost cause at this point, it's been stated clearly that the time and effort needed to fix it is not something they feel is warranted. But perhaps something can be done about hosts in LotV that allows zerg late game to still function. And it may require some hefty changes. Could be worth it still. | ||
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tyranolol
17 Posts
On May 07 2014 03:14 SC2Toastie wrote: No useful comment and hardly read the post omg what you serious ggwp mr tyranotroll rofl seriously facepalm Yeah I know, it was the angry moment of watching that D. Kim wants to nerf the abduct instead of reworking the sh, my fault sorry :D Don't know what's exactly the problem that Mr. Kim sees on the viper when every single member I know in the comm their problem is actually the SH, as Z player I hate to play them cause is boring but they are not imbalanced, just they need a rework, just that, maybe bring back the old lurker of bw? | ||
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chuiboy
55 Posts
I don't think you put much thought into that Viper nerf. | ||
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