i51 gives Miniraser loss for playing for stalemate - Page 9

On April 20 2014 02:48 Fearest wrote:
Playing for a draw is a valid strategy in other sports. Like Soccer. I don't see why it should be ban. A person who draws constantly can never get 1st place anyway.

On April 20 2014 02:48 Azelja wrote:
Playing for stalemates in a tightly scheduled lan event is stupid. Yes, it's a legitimate strategy but if you have to start scheduling 3 hours for a best of 3 series, that's just not gonna work, so the ruling makes sense in the environment it's being applied in.

On April 20 2014 02:55 Lorch wrote:


The competition should always stand first so rules should be made to ensure optimal competition, not the smoothest schedule possible. Pretty dumb ruling and I understand why Miniraser is upset. On the upside, we used to barely ever have draws anyway before swarmhost got figured out so I hope that this is a wake up call for Blizzard so they finally start patching swarm hosts (though the 2+ hour games seem to mainly be a EU issue atm, in top level Korean play we don't see games go that long anymore).

On April 20 2014 02:59 Destructicon wrote:


What works in other sports doesn't need to work in SC2, the fact that its acceptable to draw in other games doesn't mean it should be acceptable in SC2. I also disagree in general with the principle of drawing being acceptable anywhere in any way shape or form as its unsportsmanlike to prolongue or stall the game out any longer when you reach a inability to win. Stalling for the sake forcing out mistakes from the opponent is fine, stalling and forcing a draw to prevent a loss is lame and goes against everything that competition stands for, if you've failed to win the game and failed to in all aspects of continuing to fight to win the game then bow out gracefully and don't dick around with everyone else's time.

Lastly SC2 in its current form isn't a game where the superior player can always close out a game even if he is far ahead, rules like these should exist to protect the viewers and the rest of the tournament from people trying to use inferior game design just for the purpose of staying in it.

The more I think of it,t he more I'm agreeing with the i51 admins here and the more I approve of it.

On April 20 2014 02:59 Destructicon wrote:

Stalling for the sake forcing out mistakes from the opponent is fine, stalling and forcing a draw to prevent a loss is lame and goes against everything that competition stands for, if you've failed to win the game and failed to in all aspects of continuing to fight to win the game then bow out gracefully and don't dick around with everyone else's time.

On April 20 2014 03:04 Waise wrote:

so to summarize your post:

-trying not to lose so you can play another game and win "goes against competition" (???)
-it's not okay to use "inferior game design" to win, which i suppose makes you the arbiter of what constitutes "inferior game design." if i think building cannons behind my mineral line is abusing inferior game design to win, can i get free wins when i'm cannon rushed in a tournament?

i think what goes against competitive spirit is you trying to define something you don't like from a balance perspective as an unacceptable way to play the game. what most people here aren't admitting to, but are saying, is "i don't like swarm hosts and i'm laughing that someone got punished for using them." assuming this tournament has a prize pool, i would be fucking pissed too if i were miniraser

On April 20 2014 03:07 GuitarBizarre wrote:


One of the dumber posts so far in this thread. I can't believe you're actually arguing that people are complaining about balance for a mirror matchup stalemate.

On April 20 2014 03:08 Faust852 wrote:


Won't last over 2h tho. At best 5min.

On April 20 2014 03:07 Waise wrote:
btw, not a single person would be against this if it were a terran lifting buildings. everyone would be saying "lifting buildings has been a part of starcraft since SC1" and that would be the end of it. this is 100% anti-swarm host bias coming out, which is stupid because it's being directed at a player here, not the people who designed the game. faulting players for playing the game effectively (i.e. abusing anything and everything) is a dumb and wrong attitude

On April 20 2014 02:48 Azelja wrote:
Playing for stalemates in a tightly scheduled lan event is stupid. Yes, it's a legitimate strategy but if you have to start scheduling 3 hours for a best of 3 series, that's just not gonna work, so the ruling makes sense in the environment it's being applied in.

On April 20 2014 02:59 Destructicon wrote:


What works in other sports doesn't need to work in SC2, the fact that its acceptable to draw in other games doesn't mean it should be acceptable in SC2. I also disagree in general with the principle of drawing being acceptable anywhere in any way shape or form as its unsportsmanlike to prolongue or stall the game out any longer when you reach a inability to win. Stalling for the sake forcing out mistakes from the opponent is fine, stalling and forcing a draw to prevent a loss is lame and goes against everything that competition stands for, if you've failed to win the game and failed in all aspects of continuing to fight to win the game then bow out gracefully and not dick around with everyone else's time.

Lastly SC2 in its current form isn't a game where the superior player can always close out a game even if he is far ahead, rules like these should exist to protect the viewers and the rest of the tournament from people trying to use inferior game design just for the purpose of staying in it.

The more I think of it,t he more I'm agreeing with the i51 admins here and the more I approve of it.