EPTDiamond to Masters: Making the Jump
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Doc Brawler
United States260 Posts
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peidongyang
Canada2084 Posts
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followZeRoX
Serbia1449 Posts
On April 03 2014 01:02 Doc Brawler wrote: To anyone who has recently made it to Masters after a long stint in diamond, what was the biggest difference in Masters? Advice for poor scrubs trying to take one more step towards the promised land? I was 4th rank of master 2 seasons ago and I still suck a lot with 80~ish apm. Not big difference, even GM has some really bad players. Just play and enjoy. | ||
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Nimix
France1809 Posts
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jyuj
Australia103 Posts
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States764 Posts
On April 03 2014 01:02 Doc Brawler wrote: To anyone who has recently made it to Masters after a long stint in diamond, what was the biggest difference in Masters? Advice for poor scrubs trying to take one more step towards the promised land? I'm in the same spot now. I'm top 8 in my diamond division, but I'm not being matched up against any Masters yet.... | ||
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muzzy
United States640 Posts
I'm currently only Diamond, but I have been Masters league a few times. Whenever I get my promotions as Zerg I notice it's just from playing much more solid. It doesn't involve any tricky strategy or tactics. More about decision making based on solid scouting and good macro. | ||
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shid0x
Korea (South)5014 Posts
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t e a C h e r
Canada151 Posts
On April 03 2014 01:44 HelpMeGetBetter wrote: I'm in the same spot now. I'm top 8 in my diamond division, but I'm not being matched up against any Masters yet.... ur rank does not really matter, it means you are still playing at a diamond level because of the hidden mmr. You dont have to be top8 in diamond to get master, u can be 50+. | ||
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SpikeStarcraft
Germany2095 Posts
On April 03 2014 01:25 jyuj wrote: You can still 4 gate into Masters on NA and EU. Nothing has changed. well not everyone is protoss you know? and some of us still have dignity and stick to their race. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
I think it comes down to what race you play, what your style is, and what your weak points are. I think enough styles are viable even into GM that it's hard to say that one particular thing is the differentiating factor. Here's my very very vague attempt at an explanation (and this is just my view of what I see on ladder): For Zerg - I think Masters Zergs are better at scouting (denying proxy pylons, identifying cheese) and at knowing when to drone and when to make units. For Terran - I think the biggest difference between Masters and Diamond is that their macro doesn't slip as much while they're putting on aggression. I play Diamond players who drop me really effectively but lose anyway because I just macroed harder than them.. happens much less with Masters players doing equal quality harass. For Protoss - The harass is stronger, the build orders are sharper (same timing attack hits 30 seconds to 1 minute faster), and there is CONSIDERABLY less 1A syndrome... they don't bunch their Templar as much, they don't take all their units and leave nothing at home to defend, etc. That's just my view, from facing Masters and Diamond opponents. | ||
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Bratsche
United States46 Posts
I simply decided that I would never get supply blocked. It was my number one priority. I had a good enough grip on the builds, strategies. I had and still do have pretty awful army control. But to go from Diamond to Masters, I only changed one thing and that was to simply NEVER get supply blocked. | ||
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Makuly
Taiwan54 Posts
a GM friend of mine made a new account and went 75-3 before hitting masters. So you see it's pretty ridiculous. | ||
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jyuj
Australia103 Posts
On April 03 2014 01:55 SpikeStarcraft wrote: well not everyone is protoss you know? and some of us still have dignity and stick to their race. I know not everyone is Protoss, there are two other races in the game. I think Blizzard built them into the game, so it would be hard to miss them. I dont know why playing just one race means having dignity which is what I think you are implying?_? On a side note I have played Protoss since 98. DAMN since 98? Yeah since 98. | ||
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KingKayzz
33 Posts
In masters: Terran - Players actually have BOs. (Honestly. It took getting to Masters to frigging start seeing Terran BOs in ladder.) It's really cool to go from seeing weird, obviously not optimized builds in Diamond, to suddenly seeing T players using strategies that we see in pro-league and stuff. Changed the way I looked at the MU. Protoss - I was wondering where all the protoss were on my way to master. That's where I found them all - 4 gate, oracles, busts... everything comes sooner... and alot stronger. Zerg - I can't say much about TvZ. Every zerg under master died to Hellion/Banshee. Now, every zerg at Masters dies Hellion/Banshee into double thor. I guess TvZ needs to be figured out by zerg, cuz it really seems a bit too easy. Other stuff: I've played a couple of pros... now I know why they are called pros. loool It's tough having a really high win % in a certain MU, then a pro comes in and owns you with his first 3 units. It is eye openings! Makes you respect the guys at the very top. lol Seriously, other than that, you will find yourself wondering how half of the people you play made it into Masters and the other half wondering why 80% of the people you play have a need to MSG you after a game to call you a noob, regardless of whether you won or lost. -.- | ||
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AprilTerran
United States56 Posts
On April 03 2014 01:02 Doc Brawler wrote: To anyone who has recently made it to Masters after a long stint in diamond, what was the biggest difference in Masters? Advice for poor scrubs trying to take one more step towards the promised land? They're easier to 2 rax. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland24876 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On April 03 2014 01:55 SpikeStarcraft wrote: well not everyone is protoss you know? and some of us still have dignity and stick to their race. You can 3 Rax all-in or Baneling Bust if you are a dignified diamond individual. | ||
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SsoL
32 Posts
On April 03 2014 02:03 DinoMight wrote: For Terran - I think the biggest difference between Masters and Diamond is that their macro doesn't slip as much while they're putting on aggression. I play Diamond players who drop me really effectively but lose anyway because I just macroed harder than them.. happens much less with Masters players doing equal quality harass. Very good point. I agree | ||
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HelpMeGetBetter
United States764 Posts
On April 03 2014 02:29 KingKayzz wrote: Seriously, other than that, you will find yourself wondering how half of the people you play made it into Masters and the other half wondering why 80% of the people you play have a need to MSG you after a game to call you a noob, regardless of whether you won or lost. -.- I love it when people call me a noob after I win the game. Or they balance whine. And don't forget players love to lecture you on how APM = skill. Best Tip I got was to stop balance whining and complaining about every little thing and focus on improving anyway you can. | ||
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