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Any update on who the top 4 from ladder are so far?
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On February 08 2014 08:53 sWs wrote:Any update on who the top 4 from ladder are so far?
I very very recently(like past few hours) got a few more applications that changed the standings pretty drastically. I will say the top players as of this moment are the following:
1) MicroGamerz PiLiPiLi
2) Dust sWs
3) Clarity rebOrn
4) Deimos Siphonn
---150 point gap---
5) IvD Phog
6) Rawtalent
7) Gravity Baldwin
Those are the 4 current leaders and the 3 closest chasers. The 150 point gap between the 4 leaders and the 3 chasers may be difficult to overcome but I'm interested to see if it happens!
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On February 08 2014 09:06 feardragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 08:53 sWs wrote:Any update on who the top 4 from ladder are so far? I very very recently(like past few hours) got a few more applications that changed the standings pretty drastically. I will say the top players as of this moment are the following: 1) MicroGamerz PiLiPiLi 2) Dust sWs 3) Clarity rebOrn 4) Deimos Siphonn ---150 point gap--- 5) IvD Phog 6) Rawtalent 7) Gravity Baldwin Those are the 4 current leaders and the 3 closest chasers. The 150 point gap between the 4 leaders and the 3 chasers may be difficult to overcome but I'm interested to see if it happens!
Thanks a lot ^_^
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On February 08 2014 09:06 feardragon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2014 08:53 sWs wrote:Any update on who the top 4 from ladder are so far? I very very recently(like past few hours) got a few more applications that changed the standings pretty drastically. I will say the top players as of this moment are the following: 1) MicroGamerz PiLiPiLi 2) Dust sWs 3) Clarity rebOrn 4) Deimos Siphonn ---150 point gap--- 5) IvD Phog 6) Rawtalent 7) Gravity Baldwin Those are the 4 current leaders and the 3 closest chasers. The 150 point gap between the 4 leaders and the 3 chasers may be difficult to overcome but I'm interested to see if it happens!
wait so sws signed up for the qualifier, but if he stays in top 4, he won't be able to play in it because...hes already accepted right?
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Qualifier spots will be considered first. If someone qualifies in the qualifier tomorrow, then we'll just ignore them during consideration of the ladder.
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Just FYI Pilipili has about 20 or so games in his match history where either a zerg barcode or a player name [TTSyf] Miku are leaving at the start giving pilipili free wins which is inflating his ladder rank by about 200-300 points.
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On February 08 2014 17:28 Guitarcheese wrote:
Just FYI Pilipili has about 20 or so games in his match history where either a zerg barcode or a player name [TTSyf] Miku are leaving at the start giving pilipili free wins which is inflating his ladder rank by about 200-300 points.
We will be looking into and discussing this. Thanks for letting us know.
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http://imgur.com/a/NqNHe Here is a short compilation. There's a bunch more that you can look at yourself i'm just too lazy to find them all  Best of luck Feardragon ^_^
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On February 08 2014 17:39 Guitarcheese wrote:http://imgur.com/a/NqNHe Here is a short compilation. There's a bunch more that you can look at yourself i'm just too lazy to find them all Best of luck Feardragon ^_^
Wow, good catch. DQ pls
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Hey i just havea question, all the newly non-american/canadian flags that are in the qualifier? Did you approve them all? I guess theyt all have proof of NA residency?
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Register me for the ladder please? :D
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On February 09 2014 00:59 Smurfett3 wrote:
Hey i just havea question, all the newly non-american/canadian flags that are in the qualifier? Did you approve them all? I guess theyt all have proof of NA residency?
Yep! The registration date is technically at the end of today, so they still have time to register after the qualifier, but of course we're going to still be checking NA residency. Those with flags for different countries are being removed but there should be an announcement in the chat to all the players participating to confirm they'll register today. I don't know why someone who couldn't register would knowingly participate after that since there's no prize for the qualifier besides qualifying. =b
On February 09 2014 02:39 IAmBelieve wrote:
Register me for the ladder please? :D
I never got an e-mail from you to register? You still have time but you need to send it in today.
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The first qualifier for Breaking out season two is live right now. The 1st place finisher gets a spot on this seasons show so be sure to tune in for some great games!
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This is the coolest initiative I've seen for NA in ages. Well done and can't wait.
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Hey guys! Big updates on how everything is going!
First of all, HUGE congrats to IvD's Phog for being the first player to qualify for Breaking Out through the Breaking Out Qualifier #1! Really looking forward to having him on the show.
Now, here's an update on the current ladder standings as of this moment. There's still a good bit of time left and two little asterisks to talk about with these standings of the top 7, but here they are regardless as of about 7:30pm EST(4.5 hours before ladder lock).
1) [Clarity Gaming] rebOrn(Z) - 1649
2) [Micro Gamerz] PiLiPiLi(P) - 1639
3) [CORE] Believe(P) - 1639
4) [Dust] sWs(P) - 1610
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5) [Deimos] Siphonn - 1510
6) [IvD] Phog - 1500 - Already Qualified
7) [Micro Gamerz] - KaWiKaAkirA - 1402
So first, the two notes that need to be talked about in regards to this list.
1) First of all, Clarity Gaming's Poo and IvD's ZergZingZing are both registered for Breaking Out and their ladder profiles show they are in Grandmaster. However, for some reason I've had some trouble seeing their placement. It seems almost as if Battle.net is glitched because one section of their profile shows __ wins and __ loses, but when I go to the "current season" section of their profile, it suddenly shows 0 wins and 0 losses with a GM border. They are also not to be found on the actual GM list. I'm not sure what's up with this but I'll try to figure out their placement in GM as soon as possible.
Edit: After talking to Poo and sWs, it seems this confusion is caused by dropping out of GM from bonus pool build up. Poo said he was unfortunately kicked out after his PC broke down and he couldn't play.
2) There has been some controversy in regards to MgZ's PiLiPiLi. It seems he a notable number of games that were "free wins" given under 10 seconds into a game. If this was at all planned, it would be against the integrity of the qualification process and PiLiPiLi would be at least disqualified from the Ladder Qualification process. However, it is a very difficult thing to prove intention. PiLiPiLi has contacted me regarding the issue saying the following:
Hey! I saw that someone posted that i was having free wins. True, i got lucky and caught person when he was mad. I was streaming all my ladder games last 5-7 days. I am not sure how i can proof it and give evidence to you, but if you tell me how i will be glad to do so. Also i am pretty sure that other people got free wins as well, because it always happens . If you ever watched avilo, he always leaving games when he is mad. If you want me to give you any proofs to my legitimate i am willing to do so. Link to my twitch http://www.twitch.tv/pilipili96 . http://www.twitch.tv/pilipili96/dashboard/stats you can compare time i was streaming and playing on ladder is the same.
Right now the committee for Breaking Out is looking into the issue. More likely than not, PiLiPiLi will not be completely banned from Breaking Out unless it can somehow be proven that there was malevolent intention of boosting his ladder ranking. Instead, the committee will be determining whether his account will be considered for ladder qualification, and he will be given the chance to qualify through other means such as the second qualifier(since the first is now over), as well as potentially be considered for the invites. I understand that this is a difficult and awkward situation as allegations of cheating are always a cause for concern and heated opinions. I hope that everyone, including other players, also respect the decision that is made on the matter and realize that we are doing our best to be as fair as possible.
Thanks everyone who has been participating! I'm thinking I will likely start a stream roughly 30 minutes before the ladder lock(11:30pm EST) as a big of an "announcement" stream for the next 4 players that will qualify. If I end up doing so, I'll try to get it on the TL calendar and will be streaming at:
http://www.twitch.tv/feardragon64
Looking forward to it! Hope all the players are working hard!
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I don't think 300 points in four hours is possible for me D: hehe. Damnit, guess I'll have to really try hard at the next qualifier. I want in this bad >_<
and Guitarcheese posted all the proof needed to totally DQ Pilipili from the Ladder Ranking qualification imo. That's blatant.
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On February 09 2014 09:56 feardragon wrote:Hey guys! Big updates on how everything is going! First of all, HUGE congrats to IvD's Phog for being the first player to qualify for Breaking Out through the Breaking Out Qualifier #1! Really looking forward to having him on the show. Now, here's an update on the current ladder standings as of this moment. There's still a good bit of time left and two little asterisks to talk about with these standings of the top 7, but here they are regardless as of about 7:30pm EST(4.5 hours before ladder lock). 1) [Clarity Gaming] rebOrn(Z) - 1649 2) [Micro Gamerz] PiLiPiLi(P) - 1639 3) [CORE] Believe(P) - 1639 4) [Dust] sWs(P) - 1610 ------------------------ 5) [Deimos] Siphonn - 1510 6) [IvD] Phog - 1500 - Already Qualified 7) [Micro Gamerz] - KaWiKaAkirA - 1402 So first, the two notes that need to be talked about in regards to this list. 1) First of all, Clarity Gaming's Poo and IvD's ZergZingZing are both registered for Breaking Out and their ladder profiles show they are in Grandmaster. However, for some reason I've had some trouble seeing their placement. It seems almost as if Battle.net is glitched because one section of their profile shows __ wins and __ loses, but when I go to the "current season" section of their profile, it suddenly shows 0 wins and 0 losses with a GM border. They are also not to be found on the actual GM list. I'm not sure what's up with this but I'll try to figure out their placement in GM as soon as possible. 2) There has been some controversy in regards to MgZ's PiLiPiLi. It seems he a notable number of games that were "free wins" given under 10 seconds into a game. If this was at all planned, it would be against the integrity of the qualification process and PiLiPiLi would be at least disqualified from the Ladder Qualification process. However, it is a very difficult thing to prove intention. PiLiPiLi has contacted me regarding the issue saying the following: Show nested quote +Hey! I saw that someone posted that i was having free wins. True, i got lucky and caught person when he was mad. I was streaming all my ladder games last 5-7 days. I am not sure how i can proof it and give evidence to you, but if you tell me how i will be glad to do so. Also i am pretty sure that other people got free wins as well, because it always happens . If you ever watched avilo, he always leaving games when he is mad. If you want me to give you any proofs to my legitimate i am willing to do so. Link to my twitch http://www.twitch.tv/pilipili96 . http://www.twitch.tv/pilipili96/dashboard/stats you can compare time i was streaming and playing on ladder is the same. Right now the committee for Breaking Out is looking into the issue. More likely than not, PiLiPiLi will not be completely banned from Breaking Out unless it can somehow be proven that there was malevolent intention of boosting his ladder ranking. Instead, the committee will be determining whether his account will be considered for ladder qualification, and he will be given the chance to qualify through other means such as the second qualifier(since the first is now over), as well as potentially be considered for the invites. I understand that this is a difficult and awkward situation as allegations of cheating are always a cause for concern and heated opinions. I hope that everyone, including other players, also respect the decision that is made on the matter and realize that we are doing our best to be as fair as possible. Thanks everyone who has been participating! I'm thinking I will likely start a stream roughly 30 minutes before the ladder lock(11:30pm EST) as a big of an "announcement" stream for the next 4 players that will qualify. If I end up doing so, I'll try to get it on the TL calendar and will be streaming at: http://www.twitch.tv/feardragon64Looking forward to it! Hope all the players are working hard!
I would agree that it's not uncommon to match a player every once and a while who just quits, however guitarcheese said it was 20-30 games and if this is accurate, no one gets 20-30 free wins unless it is intentional... just my 2c's though, happy with whatever you guys decide. Thanks for the update ^_^
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His current record is 68-50..
take away 20-30 free wins and he has a negative record and is bottom 100 xD
intentional or not he doesn't deserve to be included in the ladder qualifier ಠ_ಠ
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Tried to apply, looking forward to see who's gonna be competing this season!
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Ok so I've taken a very very thrurough look at PiLiPiLi's profile on battle.net. Based on what I have seen, PiLiPiLi will not be able to qualify for Breaking Out through the ladder qualification proccess. He will still be able to qualify through the tournament qualifiers being held, and considered for the invites.
So here's the logic behind this decision. PiLiPiLi's SC2 account is sitting in GM at an incredibly high spot right now. Due to these forfeits that have happened 3-25 seconds into a match, PiLiPiLi's account has gained a distinct and undeniable advantage over everyone else trying to qualify right now. Here are some of the findings.
1) The total extra points earned in the past 3-4 days from these forfeits are at least 327. For reference, the difference between the number one placing registered player and the 7th is about 250.
2) These match forfeits happened over the course of multiple days. This makes it seem unlikely that it was mere coincidence that PiLiPiLi kept hitting these players after requeue'ing up.
3) The two players forfeitting to PiLiPiLi were not seen forfeiting to anyone else. After combing through every game in their past week, I couldn't find any forfeits to a player besides PiLiPiLi. This makes it seem less likely that the forfeits were due to frustration with a particular race, etc. as both accounts(a barcode and another account named miku) played against various other Protoss players and won/lost.
These facts make the whole situation incredibly suspect. However, as I mentioned in a previous post, intention is very difficult to prove in these situations. Unfortunately, videos are not available on PiLiPiLi's channel from the times where those games were played(expired) so his defense is difficult to check. It's very difficult to dispute that PiLiPiLi was being targeted, but it's very difficult to make the judgement call that he was involved in it. It could have been a helpful friend acting on smurf accounts. It could have been a malicious person trying to make PiLiPiLi look bad. Maybe it was just pure coincidence. For that reason, I am making the decision not to ban PiLiPiLi completely from Breaking Out, but just from the ladder qualification.
It's regretable that this situation arose but it is something that will continue to be one of the concerns with using the ladder as a means to qualify. However, I'm still very happy with how the ladder qualifications have gone so far and think that the pro's have outweighed the cons in using it. My biggest regret is that I didn't do a better job keeping an updated ranking as Shoutcraft does with the ladder qualifications to build some hype. This is something I've never done before so I'll be sure to learn from my mistakes and make things better in the future.
With that being said, only 3 hours left until ladder lock! I know a lot of the players are still hard at laddering! I wish them the best of luck as we find out soon who are going to be the 4 players joining Phog on the show. =]
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