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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 07:06 GMT
#1741
On January 19 2014 14:21 knyttym wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 14:08 Qwyn wrote:
One thing that I've been noticing a lot is how skewed gas/mineral incomes are...really strange. Players (been watching a lot of Blade) will take one gas or both gas at BW timings and they will have 900+ gas locked up that they can't use because their mineral income is so low...it really doesn't feel right at all. And it's not like they're not saturating minerals...in almost every replay I've watched this happens.

Perhaps the dumbing down worker triggers (or such, whatever they are) that you guys used are a bit too much? It really, really doesn't feel right and it's pretty irritating.

Players just have 1000 or so gas that they can't even use and no minerals, and this doesn't change until they have four plus mineral saturated bases. Any updates on this?

Blade can't get used to the crazy weird gas income either.

If you don't want to change the mineral mining/dumbness, then maybe lower gas income to 6? Or look at it at least? This is a really consistent theme I've been noticing, at least....

Loving SB though, really good stuff.


I've also seen this trend in both streams and games I've played. I don't think it needs a change currently. As long as every race has gas dump units (high templar, lurkers, defiler, vessels) players will figure out a way to use that excess gas. Most people just don't care that much about resource balancing since we are still learning the most basic things about the game.


Yeah that's fine IMO, it's just even bulk gas dump units do require good minerals too and it can be frustrating, usually just the early game. I delay my gas significantly and do some cute gas management and it rarely bothers me, but it is frustrating to see all the gas locked up either way ahaha.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Jagoti
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany24 Posts
January 19 2014 07:41 GMT
#1742
Kangho is currently streaming Starbow! :D
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 19 2014 07:55 GMT
#1743
On January 19 2014 16:41 Jagoti wrote:
Kangho is currently streaming Starbow! :D


KangHo vs TT1 going on now
http://www.twitch.tv/hwangkangho
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dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
January 19 2014 07:56 GMT
#1744
On January 19 2014 16:55 Inflicted_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 16:41 Jagoti wrote:
Kangho is currently streaming Starbow! :D


KangHo vs TT1 going on now
http://www.twitch.tv/hwangkangho


Beat me to it
He's playing terran too!
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 19 2014 07:56 GMT
#1745
Money on Losira :D
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 08:17:06
January 19 2014 08:04 GMT
#1746
Scans seems pretty OP (for how cheap they are). KangHo can basically read everything going on without every leaving his base

edit: Maxed out army of tanks is even more ridiculous
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Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 08:17 GMT
#1747
I dunno if you guys are watching TT1 vs Losira, but it's fucking amazing and needs to be a featured game.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
.swz.
Profile Joined May 2012
73 Posts
January 19 2014 08:30 GMT
#1748
Would be cool if streams on TL had a SB icon :D
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 08:44 GMT
#1749
Damn TT1 is good ahaha.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 19 2014 08:46 GMT
#1750
Archons totally wreck mutas in this
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 08:53 GMT
#1751
Damn TT1 totally making Losira look outclassed O_O.

Archons totally wreck mutas because there's really no way to unstack them once they get stacked T_T.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
StutteR
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1903 Posts
January 19 2014 08:58 GMT
#1752
Losira needs to read up on Starbow macro mechanics. Otherwise, TT1 is gonna outmacro him everygame...
`~` | effOrt Movie sKyHigh forever & SEn
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
January 19 2014 09:00 GMT
#1753
On January 19 2014 17:58 StutteR wrote:
Losira needs to read up on Starbow macro mechanics. Otherwise, TT1 is gonna outmacro him everygame...


He did fine with Terran, Zerg so far seems noticeably more difficult to macro with so far. I remember Idra complaining about it the other day too.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 19 2014 09:08 GMT
#1754
Losira Terran OP
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10102 Posts
January 19 2014 09:11 GMT
#1755
losira terran gosu;
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 09:12:21
January 19 2014 09:11 GMT
#1756
Looking great for Starbow imo, lots of popular (if only mostly retired / teamless) players play it. SC2BW had maybe MorroW and BeasytQT who tried it.

Starbow is getting a lot attention and seems like a few Koreans are playing it now too.
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 09:19 GMT
#1757
On January 19 2014 18:11 TT1 wrote:
losira terran gosu;


TT1 protoss gosu!
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10102 Posts
January 19 2014 09:24 GMT
#1758
nono me chobo; OTL
T.T

i think they need to increase the energy cost of chrono/larva inject thingy/terran chrono. imo its too easy to macro atm (mechanics aside)
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Qwyn
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2781 Posts
January 19 2014 09:31 GMT
#1759
On January 19 2014 18:24 TT1 wrote:
nono me chobo; OTL
T.T

i think they need to increase the energy cost of chrono/larva inject thingy/terran chrono. imo its too easy to macro atm (mechanics aside)


I was suggesting they revamp the macro mechanics so it sort of resembles sending workers to mine in BW - just in that you have to return to do it like every 10 seconds but it's not as easy or weird feeling as it is now. Some sort of macro benefit that players have to work to get better at (sort of like inject - not really what it does just the period).

I dunno I'm not really good with ideas but I totally agree with wanting macro to be a bit harder (MBS/UUS aside).

I really love how cleanly you translated your builds to Starbow it's really impressive <3.
"Think of the hysteria following the realization that they consciously consume babies and raise the dead people from their graves" - N0
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10102 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-19 09:41:09
January 19 2014 09:37 GMT
#1760
On January 19 2014 18:31 Qwyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 19 2014 18:24 TT1 wrote:
nono me chobo; OTL
T.T

i think they need to increase the energy cost of chrono/larva inject thingy/terran chrono. imo its too easy to macro atm (mechanics aside)


I was suggesting they revamp the macro mechanics so it sort of resembles sending workers to mine in BW - just in that you have to return to do it like every 10 seconds but it's not as easy or weird feeling as it is now. Some sort of macro benefit that players have to work to get better at (sort of like inject - not really what it does just the period).

I dunno I'm not really good with ideas but I totally agree with wanting macro to be a bit harder (MBS/UUS aside).

I really love how cleanly you translated your builds to Starbow it's really impressive <3.


ty, ive been playing alot of bw recently so i sharpened up on my builds. gives me a pretty big edge b.o-wise but not as much mechanics wise

btw the reason why losira's terran is so solid is because he used to play t in bw. dont think he was a progamer tho

edit: nvm he was on hwaseung oz, i remember his id but i dont think he ever played a televised match
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/search.php?section=korean&type=all&search=losira
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