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On June 05 2015 11:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So... just in looking at Day9 talking about Starbow... I'm leaning towards this mod is better than LotV will be and it's horribly depressing.
Why is that depressing?
People still play DOTA on the WC3 servers, not WC3 ladder. People still play Counterstrike on the Half-Life servers, not Half-Life.
The community just needs to accept that it needs to build itself around a mod, and not around the original game.
Right now Blizzard is bank rolling everything to do with WCS, and that's too bad because it is holding back SC2. There was a time when Blizzard didn't have to fund everything because SC2 was on top of the world.
And then David Kim and Dustin Browder proved incapable of fixing the problems SC2 faces. But they weren't fired, Blizzard just bank rolled everything.
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On June 05 2015 12:19 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 11:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So... just in looking at Day9 talking about Starbow... I'm leaning towards this mod is better than LotV will be and it's horribly depressing. Why is that depressing? People still play DOTA on the WC3 servers, not WC3 ladder. People still play Counterstrike on the Half-Life servers, not Half-Life. The community just needs to accept that it needs to build itself around a mod, and not around the original game. Right now Blizzard is bank rolling everything to do with WCS, and that's too bad because it is holding back SC2. There was a time when Blizzard didn't have to fund everything because SC2 was on top of the world. And then David Kim and Dustin Browder proved incapable of fixing the problems SC2 faces. But they weren't fired, Blizzard just bank rolled everything.
We all know that the community will never build itself around the mod. Those days are past. No tournaments are gonna pick up Starbow, not in the era where Riot and Valve are willing to throw millions to make their games dominant over the industry. Blizzard will never back a mod either, so it's either main game or nothing.
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Haven't really kept up with the developments of Starbow until now but it's looking damn good.
Especially TvP, that was the matchup in particular that looked worlds better than its WoL/HotS counterpart. Still does apparently
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Would be great if Starbow was a thing. Anything putting some kind of competition to Blizzard is great.
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On June 05 2015 12:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:19 BronzeKnee wrote:On June 05 2015 11:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So... just in looking at Day9 talking about Starbow... I'm leaning towards this mod is better than LotV will be and it's horribly depressing. Why is that depressing? People still play DOTA on the WC3 servers, not WC3 ladder. People still play Counterstrike on the Half-Life servers, not Half-Life. The community just needs to accept that it needs to build itself around a mod, and not around the original game. Right now Blizzard is bank rolling everything to do with WCS, and that's too bad because it is holding back SC2. There was a time when Blizzard didn't have to fund everything because SC2 was on top of the world. And then David Kim and Dustin Browder proved incapable of fixing the problems SC2 faces. But they weren't fired, Blizzard just bank rolled everything. We all know that the community will never build itself around the mod. Those days are past. No tournaments are gonna pick up Starbow, not in the era where Riot and Valve are willing to throw millions to make their games dominant over the industry. Blizzard will never back a mod either, so it's either main game or nothing.
We do? Blizzard never backed DOTA (foolishly) the way the Valve backed CS, and look what it became. At this point I'm fairly certain Blizzard has lost it's way completely. They were once a company that made good original games built around good ideas. The old games represented a slow evolution of the RTS genre, playing SC1 was easy after WC2, and better in every way. Diablo 2 was an evolution of Diablo 1, and better in every way.
Now Blizzard is trying way too hard to redefine those genres, and by doing so, have lost a lot of what made their old games special. Diablo 3 is awful compared to Diablo 2. And SC2 is really losing ground. Blizzard can't see good ideas even if they hit them in face these (like DOTA). So I don't have much faith Blizzard will make LOTV fun for me to play and I'll stick to Starbow or other games in general.
I just wonder sometimes, at what point does the bleeding of SC2 get so bad, that Browder and Kim get canned? Now that Blizzard is bank rolling everything in terms of major tournaments (and Homestory Cup, one of the very few major independent tournaments left is having to crowdsource funds...), isn't that a massive sign that SC2 is going in the wrong direction?
When will the board members or whoever realize this, and change the direction of SC2?
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On June 05 2015 12:19 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 11:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So... just in looking at Day9 talking about Starbow... I'm leaning towards this mod is better than LotV will be and it's horribly depressing. Why is that depressing? People still play DOTA on the WC3 servers, not WC3 ladder. People still play Counterstrike on the Half-Life servers, not Half-Life. The community just needs to accept that it needs to build itself around a mod, and not around the original game.
You can't really play WC3 on the ladder because of the in-built delay, it's only playable on LAN latency which requires workarounds and the community was always stuck with the same couple of maps, half of them not very good. And DotA is continuously updated while WC3 updates became very infrequent after late 2004. That's at least part of the reason that WC3 died down. I guess this strengthens your point, but I want to add that WC3 and DotA are basically independent while SC2 & Starbow are more direct competitors. It makes no sense to say you should rally around DotA if you don't like the lack of support for WC3 while I would be very happy if SC2 was replaced by Starbow.
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On June 05 2015 15:50 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On June 05 2015 12:19 BronzeKnee wrote:On June 05 2015 11:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So... just in looking at Day9 talking about Starbow... I'm leaning towards this mod is better than LotV will be and it's horribly depressing. Why is that depressing? People still play DOTA on the WC3 servers, not WC3 ladder. People still play Counterstrike on the Half-Life servers, not Half-Life. The community just needs to accept that it needs to build itself around a mod, and not around the original game. Right now Blizzard is bank rolling everything to do with WCS, and that's too bad because it is holding back SC2. There was a time when Blizzard didn't have to fund everything because SC2 was on top of the world. And then David Kim and Dustin Browder proved incapable of fixing the problems SC2 faces. But they weren't fired, Blizzard just bank rolled everything. We all know that the community will never build itself around the mod. Those days are past. No tournaments are gonna pick up Starbow, not in the era where Riot and Valve are willing to throw millions to make their games dominant over the industry. Blizzard will never back a mod either, so it's either main game or nothing. We do? Blizzard never backed DOTA (foolishly) the way the Valve backed CS, and look what it became. At this point I'm fairly certain Blizzard has lost it's way completely. They were once a company that made good original games built around good ideas. The old games represented a slow evolution of the RTS genre, playing SC1 was easy after WC2, and better in every way. Diablo 2 was an evolution of Diablo 1, and better in every way. Now Blizzard is trying way too hard to redefine those genres, and by doing so, have lost a lot of what made their old games special. Diablo 3 is awful compared to Diablo 2. And SC2 is really losing ground. Blizzard can't see good ideas even if they hit them in face these (like DOTA). So I don't have much faith Blizzard will make LOTV fun for me to play and I'll stick to Starbow or other games in general. I just wonder sometimes, at what point does the bleeding of SC2 get so bad, that Browder and Kim get canned? Now that Blizzard is bank rolling everything in terms of major tournaments (and Homestory Cup, one of the very few major independent tournaments left is having to crowdsource funds...), isn't that a massive sign that SC2 is going in the wrong direction? When will the board members or whoever realize this, and change the direction of SC2?
Lol, I don't think you realize that you are talking about dead(or extremely niche) genre.
The board of the directors won't "change the direction" of SC2, they will just cut the life support.
Also only clueless person will state that Diablo 3 is worse than Diablo 2... Or maybe clouded by nostalgia.
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On June 05 2015 11:09 NasusAndDraven wrote:lol is this for real? i wonder is or how much is he getting payed
They offered him all the skins of Draven and Nasus. Of course he accepted.
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On June 05 2015 21:08 Superouman wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 11:09 NasusAndDraven wrote:lol is this for real? i wonder is or how much is he getting payed They offered him all the skins of Draven and Nasus. Of course he accepted.
In that case so would i. Even thou classic draven is best nasus skins are rly good.
Anyway OT: If starbow became big then it would be nice as arcade is free and i would not have to even buy lotv.
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Starbow needs matchmaking, without matchmaking no competitive game can make it nowadays.
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On June 05 2015 22:18 Musicus wrote:
Starbow needs matchmaking, without matchmaking no competitive game can make it nowadays.
Starbow has had matchmaking for like a year now.
http://eros.starbowmod.com/
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On June 05 2015 22:27 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 22:18 Musicus wrote:
Starbow needs matchmaking, without matchmaking no competitive game can make it nowadays. Starbow has had matchmaking for like a year now. http://eros.starbowmod.com/
Ingame matchmaking I mean. A "click 1 button and the game starts" thing.
Also it's 2015, we can not compare the situation to Dota or CS back then.
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On June 05 2015 22:48 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 22:27 Ej_ wrote:On June 05 2015 22:18 Musicus wrote:
Starbow needs matchmaking, without matchmaking no competitive game can make it nowadays. Starbow has had matchmaking for like a year now. http://eros.starbowmod.com/ Ingame matchmaking I mean. A "click 1 button and the game starts" thing.
Impossible to make without breaking license agreement. The system we have already is the best possible solution.
Also I don't understand the argument "Starbow is so good, pity it will never be big". Of course it won't, but if you like the game, why don't you just play it regardless of its worldwide popularity? I mean, that's what games are for in the first place, to play and have fun. I only wish that Starbow had stable playerbase which is big enough to find games at any time.
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On June 05 2015 12:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
We all know that the community will never build itself around the mod. Those days are past. No tournaments are gonna pick up Starbow, not in the era where Riot and Valve are willing to throw millions to make their games dominant over the industry. Blizzard will never back a mod either, so it's either main game or nothing.
Really? The arcade is the most popular part of SC2 right now, and it's free. In BW, the Blizzard-designed "main game" wasn't actually that popular either. Most people either played UMS, fastest map, BGH etc. Maybe it's time the competitive community aligned itself with the real player base.
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This looks better than LotV
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On June 05 2015 21:01 Pr0wler wrote:
Also only clueless person will state that Diablo 3 is worse than Diablo 2... Or maybe clouded by nostalgia.
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To be fair, I haven't play Diablo 3 in years, and I only played for a couple of weeks after release.
So Diablo 3 is like that old girl friend that cheated on me. I don't care how much she has "changed" or "grown up." She still sucks, and I won't be any part of supporting that kind of behavior by giving her a second chance. You don't cheat on people or release games like that, in terrible condition. It was almost as bad as when CA released Rome II.
So I won't support that. Fool my wallet (or my heart) once, shame on you, fool it twice... shame on me. I'm not going to be shamed.
On June 05 2015 20:19 Grumbels wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2015 12:19 BronzeKnee wrote:On June 05 2015 11:30 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So... just in looking at Day9 talking about Starbow... I'm leaning towards this mod is better than LotV will be and it's horribly depressing. Why is that depressing? People still play DOTA on the WC3 servers, not WC3 ladder. People still play Counterstrike on the Half-Life servers, not Half-Life. The community just needs to accept that it needs to build itself around a mod, and not around the original game. You can't really play WC3 on the ladder because of the in-built delay, it's only playable on LAN latency which requires workarounds and the community was always stuck with the same couple of maps, half of them not very good. And DotA is continuously updated while WC3 updates became very infrequent after late 2004. That's at least part of the reason that WC3 died down. I guess this strengthens your point, but I want to add that WC3 and DotA are basically independent while SC2 & Starbow are more direct competitors. It makes no sense to say you should rally around DotA if you don't like the lack of support for WC3 while I would be very happy if SC2 was replaced by Starbow.
Sure there are differences, but everything doesn't have to be the same. Half-Life was wildly popular on release, as was WC3. If I told the community would be build a couple of mods for those games that would define game for the next two decades when they were released, people would have never believed me.
But if no one believes it can happen, it won't happen.
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On June 06 2015 14:05 BronzeKnee wrote:If I told the community would be build a couple of mods for those games that would define game for the next two decades when they were released, people would have never believed me.
But if no one believes it can happen, it won't happen.
You cant blame "the community" really as they were right about the 5000 other mods that did not become anything.
So yeah if there are 50 games with 100 serious mods each and out of all of these 2 became big (CS and DotA), then where would you expect starbow will land? With the 2 or with the 5000? Statistics are not on your side really.
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On June 06 2015 15:05 NasusAndDraven wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2015 14:05 BronzeKnee wrote:If I told the community would be build a couple of mods for those games that would define game for the next two decades when they were released, people would have never believed me.
But if no one believes it can happen, it won't happen. You cant blame "the community" really as they were right about the 5000 other mods that did not become anything. So yeah if there are 50 games with 100 serious mods each and out of all of these 2 became big (CS and DotA), then where would you expect starbow will land? With the 2 or with the 5000? Statistics are not on your side really.
well with that attitude i would only expect shitty games for the next 20 years given general trends in gaming right now. I want starbow to take after Witcher 3, not Assassin's Creed Unity, regardless of "statistics being on its side."
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