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404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
May 23 2015 14:21 GMT
#6601
On May 23 2015 22:32 Xiphias wrote:
The ladder has seen a bit of growth the last couple of days, and you don't need to download anything anymore. Go to: http://eros.starbowmod.com/ (you need to sign in at starbowmod.com first, and make sure you do NOT have the old client open or they will collide and mess each other up).

Erosception
aka Kalevi
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
May 24 2015 05:38 GMT
#6602
Does Starbow has computer AI opponent?
jotmang-nojem
Profile Joined May 2015
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-24 09:24:01
May 24 2015 07:24 GMT
#6603
1. All bugs and features for Starbow get completed. v1.0 released.
2. Many SC2 pros, including Flash and Fantasy retire in disgust and move back to BW on Afreeca
3. People flood their channels and request Starbow
4. They start having Starbow tournaments
5. ESportsTV picks up on it and has a tournament with crowd favorite pros coming out of retirement
6. Koreans pick up on it and Starbow becomes the official SC2, leaving the abomination released by Blizzard a distant and regrettable memory
7. After the abysmal failure of Heroes of the Storm, Dustin Browder and David Kim are fired, never to grace us again with their forgettable game designs
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
May 25 2015 10:14 GMT
#6604
On May 24 2015 14:38 covetousrat wrote:
Does Starbow has computer AI opponent?


Yes, it was recently improved as well. It's still very rudimentary. I would suggest to put it on cheater mode with an economic focus to get the thoughts Starbow AI to play vs.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
May 25 2015 10:55 GMT
#6605
On May 24 2015 16:24 jotmang-nojem wrote:
1. All bugs and features for Starbow get completed. v1.0 released.
2. Many SC2 pros, including Flash and Fantasy retire in disgust and move back to BW on Afreeca
3. People flood their channels and request Starbow
4. They start having Starbow tournaments
5. ESportsTV picks up on it and has a tournament with crowd favorite pros coming out of retirement
6. Koreans pick up on it and Starbow becomes the official SC2, leaving the abomination released by Blizzard a distant and regrettable memory
7. After the abysmal failure of Heroes of the Storm, Dustin Browder and David Kim are fired, never to grace us again with their forgettable game designs

I like Heroes ...
aka Kalevi
JCoto
Profile Joined October 2014
Spain574 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-25 15:13:19
May 25 2015 12:44 GMT
#6606
On May 24 2015 16:24 jotmang-nojem wrote:
1. All bugs and features for Starbow get completed. v1.0 released.
2. Many SC2 pros, including Flash and Fantasy retire in disgust and move back to BW on Afreeca
3. People flood their channels and request Starbow
4. They start having Starbow tournaments
5. ESportsTV picks up on it and has a tournament with crowd favorite pros coming out of retirement
6. Koreans pick up on it and Starbow becomes the official SC2, leaving the abomination released by Blizzard a distant and regrettable memory
7. After the abysmal failure of Heroes of the Storm, Dustin Browder and David Kim are fired, never to grace us again with their forgettable game designs


Flash and Fantasy play SC2 at top level very regularly, and Heroes is far from being a failure.....

A bit fanboyish?

I think that Blizz has a ton of ways to improve SC2 so it becomes a very great game, but it needs a different approach with a bit different mindset from Devs, specially on "core" things, specially econ, macro, and movement. Quite funny to see that, in fact, changing that things would not change specially how units play out against each other, but how the game is played in terms of macro, back and forth games, defensive advantage, micro possibiliites, etc. Simply, better design. Damage, DPS, supply inflation, timing potential ... should be reviewed just after stablishing the basics. They always focus on unit balance and nerfing some upgrades to cover for deep design flaws .

Unit balance and unit interaction is another aspect that should be looked only after stablishing how strong the econ is. Some styles and matchups in SC2 are definitely back and forth skill comptetions, not straight strategy wins or one GG mistake. Namely, mirror matchups and TvZ are a proof of what SC2 should be.

David Kim is definitely not a good lead designer.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-05-26 15:17:07
May 25 2015 20:37 GMT
#6607
Never mind.
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
June 02 2015 17:15 GMT
#6608
Patch 1.0

General
  • Gas harvest time slightly decreased. Based on comparison tests with BroodWar.
  • Smallest ramps on most maps just got smaller.


Terran
  • Mercs movement speed reduced to 2.25. Merc stim ability added. Increases movement speed by 50% and attack speed by 100%. Drains 25 life. Damage reduced from 30 explosive to 25 explosive.
  • Enhanced Thrustsers Upgrade removed. (Extra range for grapple).
  • Optical flare now reduces casting range of spell-casters to 4. Also added some abilities it was not affecting. It also disables "glare" on Sentinel since that is a detection ability.
  • Seeker drone range increased by 1.


Protoss
  • Void Oscillator now requires Templar Archives to research (the upgrade is still on the twilight counsel). This is the upgrade that grants stalkers high-ground vision.
  • Stalker blink now only works in the direction it is looking. If you order a stalker to blink back, it will turn around first.
  • Scarab build time reduced from 10 to 9 seconds. The upgrade to have it build faster still sets it to 6 seconds.
  • Scarabs now have a longer delay between explosion and damage, allowing any retreating unit with speed 2.25 (marine, medic and siege-tank has 2.25) or greater to only take 50% damage from the scarab.


Zerg
  • Queen inject range is now global.
  • Ensnare now disables grapple and warp drive on Battle-cruisers. It is also suppose to disable cliff-jump on reapers, but I could not make that work properly yet.


What now?

Developing a game is like painting a picture. Which stroke will be the last? You never know when you are 100% complete, and you may never be. There are still parts of Starbow that can be improved and there will be at least some minor changes in the future. But the base is complete. The structure has a solid foundation. I will not stop working on Starbow and there are many others that will not stop either. We will promote, organize, balance and enhance as long as we feel necessary.

On the other hand, new players at this point should be able to start learning builds and timings without having constant changes messing that up. Strategy guides and videos should not be quickly outdated. Any change that is needed should preferably be done via some simple stat changes and not a re-design of units and abilities.

It's been a blast and there are so many to thank. I will link to the "credits" page and start the work on updating it as well. http://starbowmod.com/about/credits

Happy Bowing!
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-02 17:33:35
June 02 2015 17:32 GMT
#6609
mad props to everyone involved, starbow continues to be a fun game. I wish you guys could get a space apart from sc2 on twitch though, since i wanna watch starbow not sift though legions of boring sc2.. i know i have already brought it up to you, but i think it's paramount to growth.

edit ~ to growth? for growth? english is hard
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
June 02 2015 18:11 GMT
#6610
We've asked twitch, they said no
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
404AlphaSquad
Profile Joined October 2011
839 Posts
June 02 2015 18:16 GMT
#6611
It has been a long bumpy road!
aka Kalevi
Endymion
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States3701 Posts
June 02 2015 19:11 GMT
#6612
On June 03 2015 03:11 Xiphias wrote:
We've asked twitch, they said no

yeah, that's a big problem, ask someone who can actually do something about it xd. try to get djwheat involved, im sure he would be down to try starbow on stream and if likes it then hey there's your in
Have you considered the MMO-Champion forum? You are just as irrational and delusional with the right portion of nostalgic populism. By the way: The old Brood War was absolutely unplayable
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
June 02 2015 22:25 GMT
#6613
congrats!
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
varsovie
Profile Joined December 2013
Canada326 Posts
June 03 2015 01:32 GMT
#6614
On June 03 2015 02:15 Xiphias wrote:

Developing a game is like painting a picture. Which stroke will be the last? You never know when you are 100% complete, and you may never be.


Thank god, Starbow feels like WA. Bouguereau and SC2 feels like J. Pollock.
Deleted User 97295
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1137 Posts
June 03 2015 02:32 GMT
#6615
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Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
June 05 2015 02:01 GMT
#6616
Day9 doing a daily about Starbow now. Live: http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
NasusAndDraven
Profile Joined April 2015
359 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 02:10:47
June 05 2015 02:09 GMT
#6617
On June 05 2015 11:01 Xiphias wrote:
Day9 doing a daily about Starbow now. Live: http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv

lol is this for real? i wonder is or how much is he getting payed
purakushi
Profile Joined August 2012
United States3301 Posts
June 05 2015 02:11 GMT
#6618
On June 05 2015 11:09 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 11:01 Xiphias wrote:
Day9 doing a daily about Starbow now. Live: http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv

lol is this for real? i wonder is or how much is he getting payed


All from passion
T P Z sagi
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
June 05 2015 02:30 GMT
#6619
So... just in looking at Day9 talking about Starbow... I'm leaning towards this mod is better than LotV will be and it's horribly depressing.
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-05 02:42:18
June 05 2015 02:42 GMT
#6620
On June 05 2015 11:09 NasusAndDraven wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2015 11:01 Xiphias wrote:
Day9 doing a daily about Starbow now. Live: http://www.twitch.tv/day9tv

lol is this for real? i wonder is or how much is he getting payed


Our free mod generates a lot of income, so quite a bit!
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
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