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IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
January 24 2014 18:02 GMT
#2461
God please do not use that Defiler model. It fucking isnt a defiler.
Author of Coda and Eastwatch.
Kakaru2
Profile Joined March 2011
198 Posts
January 24 2014 18:06 GMT
#2462
I don't like the Irradiate change. In BW it always killed a Lurker/Muta/Guardian. You've changed it into a weaker plague at this moment and took away the uniqueness of the spell.

Nerf the DPS if you must but revert it back to kill the unit it's casted on.
PredY
Profile Joined September 2009
Czech Republic1731 Posts
January 24 2014 18:07 GMT
#2463
some changes seem pointless to me, like the mech upgrades + irradiate change. "we don’t find it to be particularly interesting gameplay" sounds like blizzard to me. dont know why you dont focus on bug fixes only and let people figure stuff out, you patch every other day
http://www.twitch.tv/czelpredy
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 18:13:17
January 24 2014 18:08 GMT
#2464
Do not patch the game like blizzard!! Stop it please, go back with that last patch The irradiate huge change it doesn't make any sense so soon... Let the players give the answers.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3703 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 18:19:27
January 24 2014 18:16 GMT
#2465
So I have a really weird bug atm. This only started today, but all dragoons are just completely pink, no texture at all just totally pink. However, if I change my shaders and shadows from low to medium goons are displayed correctly. Now while my PC is easily able of running ultra/extreme or w/e the highest one is called I do prefer to play on everything on low and it's really irritating to have to play with medium shaders/shadows. I don't know if this is an issue on my end (though it's literally only dragoons) or if it has to do with 2.1 or something with your mod.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
January 24 2014 18:18 GMT
#2466
On January 25 2014 03:08 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Do not patch the game like blizzard!! Stop it please, go back with that last patch The irradiate huge change it doesn't make any sense so soon... Let the players give the answers.

Calm down FFS, these guys are not Blizzard. The game is in "beta", if the change is bad and doesn't play out like they wanted to, they will turn it back to the previous state...
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
MapleLeafSirup
Profile Joined July 2009
Germany950 Posts
January 24 2014 18:20 GMT
#2467
I really want SCV calldown, chrono boost and larva inject to disappear.
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
January 24 2014 18:26 GMT
#2468
On January 25 2014 03:20 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
I really want SCV calldown, chrono boost and larva inject to disappear.

Why? They favor the higher apm player, and doesn't improves macro to sky!It's fine
iHirO
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1381 Posts
January 24 2014 18:26 GMT
#2469
Total Biscuit did another Starbow feature on his channel as part of the free arcade.
GraphicsThis is for all you new people: I only have one rule. Everyone fights. No one quits. You don't do your job, I'll shoot you myself. You get me?
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 18:38:03
January 24 2014 18:32 GMT
#2470
On January 25 2014 03:18 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 03:08 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Do not patch the game like blizzard!! Stop it please, go back with that last patch The irradiate huge change it doesn't make any sense so soon... Let the players give the answers.

Calm down FFS, these guys are not Blizzard. The game is in "beta", if the change is bad and doesn't play out like they wanted to, they will turn it back to the previous state...


I think some polls for each patch change by the mods would be good to gauge the community reaction. Although there are many changes in this balance patch so the poll would be large, it would still be helpful.

I'll just do one for now since I"m heading out:

Poll: Irradiate damage lowered from 180 over 30 sec to 120 over 20 sec

Disapprove (49)
 
75%

Approve (16)
 
25%

65 total votes

Your vote: Irradiate damage lowered from 180 over 30 sec to 120 over 20 sec

(Vote): Approve
(Vote): Disapprove





Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 18:40:06
January 24 2014 18:38 GMT
#2471
Irradiate change is terrible. You just made a slippery slope, because now mass muta micro with unlimited selection in this will need to be nerfed.

Change irradiate back.

And also it is SUPPOSED to kill a lurker/muta/defiler like in brood war.
Don't go the David Kim route and change shiot arbitrarily please.
Sup
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 18:47:36
January 24 2014 18:44 GMT
#2472
On January 25 2014 03:32 dgwow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 03:18 Ramiz1989 wrote:
On January 25 2014 03:08 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Do not patch the game like blizzard!! Stop it please, go back with that last patch The irradiate huge change it doesn't make any sense so soon... Let the players give the answers.

Calm down FFS, these guys are not Blizzard. The game is in "beta", if the change is bad and doesn't play out like they wanted to, they will turn it back to the previous state...


I think some polls for each patch change by the mods would be good to gauge the community reaction. Although there are many changes in this balance patch so the poll would be large, it would still be helpful.

Polls won't do much, since there are always at least three sides, those that don't like the changes, those that do, and those that don't care at all. There will always be some percentage of people that won't like the change. And if it is something like 50 - 50 for those who like it and for those who don't, what do you choose?

On January 25 2014 03:26 StarscreamG1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2014 03:20 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
I really want SCV calldown, chrono boost and larva inject to disappear.

Why? They favor the higher apm player, and doesn't improves macro to sky!It's fine

I don't have problems with those mechanics except for having Chronoboost and Reactors at the same time for Terran race. Choose one, not both. It feels wrong that Terran can produce Marines faster than Zerg can Zerglings(not literally, but you get what I mean).
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Gasi
Profile Joined January 2014
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-19 22:18:35
January 24 2014 18:45 GMT
#2473
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IeZaeL
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy991 Posts
January 24 2014 18:48 GMT
#2474
Which map should i remade ? Please post the name + overview
Author of Coda and Eastwatch.
Ramiz1989
Profile Joined July 2012
12124 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 18:53:49
January 24 2014 18:52 GMT
#2475
On January 25 2014 03:48 IeZaeL wrote:
Which map should i remade ? Please post the name + overview

Medusa/Python?

But I prefer Medusa. That was among my favorite maps together with Python and Destination. Heartbreaker Ridge would be cool too.

EDIT: Oh, and how could I forgot the Blue Storm? That one was amazing!
"I've been to hell and back, and back to hell…and back. This time, I've brought Hell back with me."
Survivor61316
Profile Joined July 2012
United States470 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 19:00:46
January 24 2014 18:55 GMT
#2476
On January 25 2014 03:06 Kakaru2 wrote:
I don't like the Irradiate change. In BW it always killed a Lurker/Muta/Guardian. You've changed it into a weaker plague at this moment and took away the uniqueness of the spell.

Nerf the DPS if you must but revert it back to kill the unit it's casted on.

I agree, a defiler with one health can still fuck your army up.

edit: I agree with what people above have said. This patch sounds like something right out of David Kim's playbook. Patching things just to encourage "varied and dynamic gameplay" has not worked out for him, so why would it work for SB?? A good rule of thumb should be to do everything the complete opposite than him unless there is overwhelming evidence to the contrary..
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Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 24 2014 19:03 GMT
#2477
On January 25 2014 02:21 insanesky wrote:
I hope you guys will make a ladder. Without one the game is dead ;/.

________
TheWinD


We are making a ladder but it will take time. Be patient
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Xiphias
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Norway2223 Posts
January 24 2014 19:04 GMT
#2478
On January 25 2014 03:26 iHirO wrote:
Total Biscuit did another Starbow feature on his channel as part of the free arcade.

Yes!
aka KanBan85. Working on Starbow.
Season
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States301 Posts
January 24 2014 19:04 GMT
#2479
Heartbreak Ridge!! <3
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-24 19:16:56
January 24 2014 19:05 GMT
#2480
One element that's maybe interesting for irradiate is to pick values where it kills some units if they don't have creep health regeneration.

In any case, if irradiate can't kill at least mutalisks all the identity of the spell is lost. Mutalisks can directly engage science vessels anyway. If you're too worried about the strength of irradiate then nerf the cast range, or give consume for defilers a +25 health effect.

Also, I should echo the concerns that this patch justification is a little bit suspect. Basically, as a designer you have to design, not dictate the meta. It's okay if you truly think that the irradiate change is an improvement of the design (or alternatively, if you just want to experiment a bit with irradiate, which is a tricky ability to get right due to smartcasting), but otherwise it's dangerous and you shouldn't change anything just because you can and like to change things up.
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
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