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Planned new eSF team "Epik" fails to launch - Page 4

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JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
January 08 2014 14:13 GMT
#61
Epik fails..


to launch. sucks though =(
"Right on" - Morrow
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
January 08 2014 14:26 GMT
#62
What an epic fail.
SK_MC, ST_Parting, STX_Bogus fighting!!! Colossi should shoot nukes and blink.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 08 2014 14:33 GMT
#63
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 14:56:52
January 08 2014 14:54 GMT
#64
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?

When was the last time a startup team succeeded in SC2? What about a startup team in Korea? This stuff only ever panned out well back in the very beginning, when NO ONE was actually well-established in SC2. Damn near every new team since then that tried to break into the elite went bankrupt and imploded in short order.
Right now, everyone's staked their claims on the pro-scene with no slices of the pie left over. Unreasonably optimistic sponsors are all but gone and Korea's scene is contracting due to the lack of Korean fans and thus Korean sponsors. We aren't growing, but we certainly aren't dying. We're consolidating, bringing things down to a reasonable level. What we were doing before was only possible due to over-optimism and a sort of "gold rush" mentality. Right now, we are becoming sustainable. SC2 isn't the Wild West anymore, we need to tighten our belts and prepare for a good dose of reality.
Having said that, there is a natural (and much smaller than some people would have you think) decline in fan base associated with the initial excitement of release dying down. That still doesn't mean SC2 is dying, though; most competitive games out there that managed to acquire a fan base as big as SC2 at one point manage to last for years and years after their final update until their pro scene finally sputters out. SC2 is still being actively updated, has another expansion pack on the way and is most likely going to get a sequel as well.
We're the only RTS on the market with a sizable pro scene and release date recent enough to be tolerable to the modern gamer. We aren't going to "die" until at least a year after the release of LotV, and even then there will still be competitive players who play the game because they love the game and the thrill of victory.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
January 08 2014 15:25 GMT
#65
Nuts, was hoping this could at least get off the ground; would have been nice to see.

Oh well...
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Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
January 08 2014 15:32 GMT
#66
It's not surprising but SO MUCH FOR THAT!
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tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
January 08 2014 16:13 GMT
#67
well, there's no point in founding an eSF team with no GSTL and eSF being psuhed into meaninglessness
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
January 08 2014 17:12 GMT
#68
I dont know what to say....??
Long live the Boss Toss!
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 08 2014 19:45 GMT
#69
On January 08 2014 14:10 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 13:49 Pokebunny wrote:
title says Epik when both the original mention of the team and this one say Epic

Maybe it was a typo in the title. It kind of ruins the pun with that typo though.

Yeah, I kinda just wanted it to read "epic fail" on the sidebar.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 08 2014 23:07 GMT
#70
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners.

granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 08 2014 23:50 GMT
#71
On January 09 2014 08:07 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners.

granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight.

MLG announced their return to SC2 (before you made your post, might I add). They're also going to host a major tournament that specifically focuses on the NA scene and its players. What was that about a dwindling spotlight?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 08 2014 23:55 GMT
#72
On January 09 2014 08:50 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 08:07 fishjie wrote:
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners.

granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight.

MLG announced their return to SC2 (before you made your post, might I add). They're also going to host a major tournament that specifically focuses on the NA scene and its players. What was that about a dwindling spotlight?


oh snap just saw the news

well there you go, the foreigners have finally won!
ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
January 09 2014 09:27 GMT
#73
On January 08 2014 23:54 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?

When was the last time a startup team succeeded in SC2? What about a startup team in Korea? This stuff only ever panned out well back in the very beginning, when NO ONE was actually well-established in SC2. Damn near every new team since then that tried to break into the elite went bankrupt and imploded in short order.
Right now, everyone's staked their claims on the pro-scene with no slices of the pie left over. Unreasonably optimistic sponsors are all but gone and Korea's scene is contracting due to the lack of Korean fans and thus Korean sponsors. We aren't growing, but we certainly aren't dying. We're consolidating, bringing things down to a reasonable level. What we were doing before was only possible due to over-optimism and a sort of "gold rush" mentality. Right now, we are becoming sustainable. SC2 isn't the Wild West anymore, we need to tighten our belts and prepare for a good dose of reality.
Having said that, there is a natural (and much smaller than some people would have you think) decline in fan base associated with the initial excitement of release dying down. That still doesn't mean SC2 is dying, though; most competitive games out there that managed to acquire a fan base as big as SC2 at one point manage to last for years and years after their final update until their pro scene finally sputters out. SC2 is still being actively updated, has another expansion pack on the way and is most likely going to get a sequel as well.
We're the only RTS on the market with a sizable pro scene and release date recent enough to be tolerable to the modern gamer. We aren't going to "die" until at least a year after the release of LotV, and even then there will still be competitive players who play the game because they love the game and the thrill of victory.

unfortunately your sense and logic will not be tolerated. people to love to invent there own misery happens everywhere in life. i agree completely with your post there still life in the scene tightening up is inevitable so is the shedding of players who don't warrant the time and money spent on them for the minimal/ no return. its sad but not the end. new team would have been nice but it really didn't have a place to go for team leagues in KR, PL seems like a bitch to get in to and wont let in some jump-start team and GOM really ant worrying that much bout gstl by the looks
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
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