Plans by Startale Legend, GSL international stream observer, to establish a new eSports Federation team seem to have to fallen out. Legend announced in November that he would be founding a new team named "Team Epic" with plans to compete in the GSTL, but his new tweet fallowing Startale's announcement of contraction in 2014 appears to confirm that there will be no such team.
Planned new eSF team "Epik" fails to launch
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Plans by Startale Legend, GSL international stream observer, to establish a new eSports Federation team seem to have to fallen out. Legend announced in November that he would be founding a new team named "Team Epic" with plans to compete in the GSTL, but his new tweet fallowing Startale's announcement of contraction in 2014 appears to confirm that there will be no such team. | ||
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I want to see GSTL succeed though, so that's sad news. | ||
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Seeker
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On January 08 2014 13:20 ZenithM wrote: The name was probably created with the eventual cancelling in mind. LOL! Looks like that tweet told us that Legend will now be a player on ST? | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:21 Seeker wrote: LOL! Looks like that tweet told us that Legend will now be a player on ST? last time that didn't go so well. although I think that was more of a joke than serious. | ||
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dcemuser
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On January 08 2014 13:49 Pokebunny wrote: title says Epik when both the original mention of the team and this one say Epic Maybe it was a typo in the title. It kind of ruins the pun with that typo though. | ||
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Omnishroud
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On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote: The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality? I used to roll my eyes at people who screamed doom and gloom, but its getting hard to ignore. SC2 is still not "dying" though. | ||
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On January 08 2014 15:05 Nerevar wrote: I guess if GSTL were to miraculously return, it would have to be with KeSPA teams, probably as an off-season special event kind of thing like the STX Masters Cup. Which is a good deal for kespa teams Any tourny more in korea is a good thing at this point | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:41 Omnishroud wrote: I used to roll my eyes at people who screamed doom and gloom, but its getting hard to ignore. SC2 is still not "dying" though. SC2 is dying, only it's dying in South Korea. SC2 is still very popular as a spectator event in Europe and North America, especially Europe which I'd argue is the best region for SC2 and esports as a whole. Just looking at the past tournaments in 2013 nearly all major events outside of Korea dwarf the GSL in live audience and stream viewers. | ||
Xiphos
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Sponsors are attracted to viewers, viewers like highest gameplays, those gameplays are created by tight team supports and infrastructures. If PL cease to exists, teams will disband, level of play will go down, people will cease to tune in, and sponsors will be alienated. PL 2014 is SC2's last stand. | ||
Dodgin
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On January 08 2014 16:19 Xiphos wrote: SC2's future depends on the continuation of PL in 2015. Sponsors are attracted to viewers, viewers like highest gameplays, those gameplays are created by tight team supports and infrastructures. If PL cease to exists, teams will disband, level of play will go down, people will cease to tune in, and sponsors will be alienated. PL 2014 is SC2's last stand. This is a little over dramatic, even without teams, GSL will probably continue via blizzard sponsorship. It's definitely SC2 in Korea's team league last stand, though. | ||
Xiphos
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On January 08 2014 16:25 Dodgin wrote: This is a little over dramatic, even without teams, GSL will probably continue via blizzard sponsorship. It's definitely SC2 in Korea's team league last stand, though. Team disbanding > level of play falling > less people watching GSL. Only a matter of time Blizzard decide to pull the plug. | ||
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I hope all this means he's going back to casting GSL. He's so much better than the observer Proleague has, it's making me miss good observing. | ||
darkscream
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Maybe some day we'll see team epic. Right now we don't need more splitting teams, we need consolidation. | ||
Akaann
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On January 08 2014 17:06 Ctesias wrote: He's so much better than the observer Proleague has, it's making me miss good observing. True, the PL observers are pretty bad. And they don't listen to the english casters, cant tell how many times wolf said, what he would love to see now, and they never showed it. But the PL can't reach GSTL in every way. I mean wolf is a good caster, but who is this other guy? why not Khaldor? Why not Tastosis? The games are good, but the coverage of GSTL was so much better. I allready miss it | ||
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stuchiu
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On January 08 2014 13:09 Dodgin wrote: At least he realized it wouldn't work and backed out instead of going through with it and failing miserably. Sons of Starcraft! | ||
Caihead
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On January 08 2014 17:20 Akaann wrote: True, the PL observers are pretty bad. And they don't listen to the english casters, cant tell how many times wolf said, what he would love to see now, and they never showed it. But the PL can't reach GSTL in every way. I mean wolf is a good caster, but who is this other guy? why not Khaldor? Why not Tastosis? The games are good, but the coverage of GSTL was so much better. I allready miss it Why not? Because Gom is in direct competition with OGN and blocked off the ability for their casters to cast for OGN while under contracts most likely. This is probably true seeing as how the two networks have been at each other's throats to get OSL/GSL featured or de-listed from the WCS by blizzard. Sad to say that even though I think the Korean SC2 scene needs co-operation between the major organizations it's obviously not happening. | ||
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On January 08 2014 17:57 Caihead wrote: Why not? Because Gom is in direct competition with OGN and blocked off the ability for their casters to cast for OGN while under contracts most likely. This is probably true seeing as how the two networks have been at each other's throats to get OSL/GSL featured or de-listed from the WCS by blizzard. Sad to say that even though I think the Korean SC2 scene needs co-operation between the major organizations it's obviously not happening. You mean in the past? OGN is not doing SC2 anymore. | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote: The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality? No, these guys easily sit on 14K viewers for EU WCS Qualifiers (!) and a thrilling new proleague. SC2 scene was ok with only eSF and is ok with only KeSPA. Only BOTH of them was too much... | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:22 Kinky wrote: Wonder what his role on Startale will be now. Dishwasher | ||
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On January 08 2014 13:15 Adebisi wrote: RIP RIP in Peace indeed, oh well better luck next time. STLegend hwaiting ♥ | ||
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On January 08 2014 16:35 Xiphos wrote: Team disbanding > level of play falling > less people watching GSL. Only a matter of time Blizzard decide to pull the plug. Team disbanding does not cause the level of play to fall. It causes more likely that less skilled players fall out of the roosters instead cause there are less team spots. | ||
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to launch. sucks though =( | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
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On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote: The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality? When was the last time a startup team succeeded in SC2? What about a startup team in Korea? This stuff only ever panned out well back in the very beginning, when NO ONE was actually well-established in SC2. Damn near every new team since then that tried to break into the elite went bankrupt and imploded in short order. Right now, everyone's staked their claims on the pro-scene with no slices of the pie left over. Unreasonably optimistic sponsors are all but gone and Korea's scene is contracting due to the lack of Korean fans and thus Korean sponsors. We aren't growing, but we certainly aren't dying. We're consolidating, bringing things down to a reasonable level. What we were doing before was only possible due to over-optimism and a sort of "gold rush" mentality. Right now, we are becoming sustainable. SC2 isn't the Wild West anymore, we need to tighten our belts and prepare for a good dose of reality. Having said that, there is a natural (and much smaller than some people would have you think) decline in fan base associated with the initial excitement of release dying down. That still doesn't mean SC2 is dying, though; most competitive games out there that managed to acquire a fan base as big as SC2 at one point manage to last for years and years after their final update until their pro scene finally sputters out. SC2 is still being actively updated, has another expansion pack on the way and is most likely going to get a sequel as well. We're the only RTS on the market with a sizable pro scene and release date recent enough to be tolerable to the modern gamer. We aren't going to "die" until at least a year after the release of LotV, and even then there will still be competitive players who play the game because they love the game and the thrill of victory. | ||
renaissanceMAN
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Oh well... | ||
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On January 08 2014 14:10 dcemuser wrote: Maybe it was a typo in the title. It kind of ruins the pun with that typo though. Yeah, I kinda just wanted it to read "epic fail" on the sidebar. | ||
fishjie
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On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote: The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality? On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners. granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight. | ||
AnachronisticAnarchy
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On January 09 2014 08:07 fishjie wrote: On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners. granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight. MLG announced their return to SC2 (before you made your post, might I add). They're also going to host a major tournament that specifically focuses on the NA scene and its players. What was that about a dwindling spotlight? | ||
fishjie
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On January 09 2014 08:50 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: MLG announced their return to SC2 (before you made your post, might I add). They're also going to host a major tournament that specifically focuses on the NA scene and its players. What was that about a dwindling spotlight? oh snap just saw the news well there you go, the foreigners have finally won! | ||
ratty
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On January 08 2014 23:54 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote: When was the last time a startup team succeeded in SC2? What about a startup team in Korea? This stuff only ever panned out well back in the very beginning, when NO ONE was actually well-established in SC2. Damn near every new team since then that tried to break into the elite went bankrupt and imploded in short order. Right now, everyone's staked their claims on the pro-scene with no slices of the pie left over. Unreasonably optimistic sponsors are all but gone and Korea's scene is contracting due to the lack of Korean fans and thus Korean sponsors. We aren't growing, but we certainly aren't dying. We're consolidating, bringing things down to a reasonable level. What we were doing before was only possible due to over-optimism and a sort of "gold rush" mentality. Right now, we are becoming sustainable. SC2 isn't the Wild West anymore, we need to tighten our belts and prepare for a good dose of reality. Having said that, there is a natural (and much smaller than some people would have you think) decline in fan base associated with the initial excitement of release dying down. That still doesn't mean SC2 is dying, though; most competitive games out there that managed to acquire a fan base as big as SC2 at one point manage to last for years and years after their final update until their pro scene finally sputters out. SC2 is still being actively updated, has another expansion pack on the way and is most likely going to get a sequel as well. We're the only RTS on the market with a sizable pro scene and release date recent enough to be tolerable to the modern gamer. We aren't going to "die" until at least a year after the release of LotV, and even then there will still be competitive players who play the game because they love the game and the thrill of victory. unfortunately your sense and logic will not be tolerated. people to love to invent there own misery happens everywhere in life. i agree completely with your post there still life in the scene tightening up is inevitable so is the shedding of players who don't warrant the time and money spent on them for the minimal/ no return. its sad but not the end. new team would have been nice but it really didn't have a place to go for team leagues in KR, PL seems like a bitch to get in to and wont let in some jump-start team and GOM really ant worrying that much bout gstl by the looks | ||
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