• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:14
CET 14:14
KST 22:14
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!44$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection Mutation # 495 Rest In Peace
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker? [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions [BSL21] RO32 Group Stage
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta PvZ map balance How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1098 users

Planned new eSF team "Epik" fails to launch

Forum Index > SC2 General
72 CommentsPost a Reply
Normal
TL.net ESPORTS
Profile Joined July 2011
4 Posts
January 08 2014 04:08 GMT
#1


Plans by Startale Legend, GSL international stream observer, to establish a new eSports Federation team seem to have to fallen out. Legend announced in November that he would be founding a new team named "Team Epic" with plans to compete in the GSTL, but his new tweet fallowing Startale's announcement of contraction in 2014 appears to confirm that there will be no such team.
Facebook Twitter Reddit
TL+ Member
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 08 2014 04:09 GMT
#2
At least he realized it wouldn't work and backed out instead of going through with it and failing miserably.
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
January 08 2014 04:09 GMT
#3
Does this at least mean that he is still a member of ST?
FLuX.960
Profile Joined February 2012
New Zealand20 Posts
January 08 2014 04:11 GMT
#4
Epic fail indeed. Glad he backed out early on and didn't end up losing a lot of money on something that was doomed to fail.
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 08 2014 04:11 GMT
#5
probably lost all chance of forming when ESF starred falling apart. Would have been cool to see.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
January 08 2014 04:14 GMT
#6
haha! not again! here goes the "epic fail" syndrome...
-
Adebisi
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Canada1637 Posts
January 08 2014 04:15 GMT
#7
RIP
ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12500 Posts
January 08 2014 04:15 GMT
#8
nooooooooo T T
其疾如风,其徐如林,侵掠如火,不动如山,难知如阴,动如雷震。
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
January 08 2014 04:16 GMT
#9
That name was really dumb.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
TL+ Member
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
January 08 2014 04:17 GMT
#10
What a title to a thread. Hah.

I want to see GSTL succeed though, so that's sad news.
"Elvis Presley" | Ret was looking at my post in the GSL video by Artosis. | MMA told me I look like Juanfran while we shared an elevator with Scarlett
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
January 08 2014 04:20 GMT
#11
The name was probably created with the eventual cancelling in mind.
yoshi245
Profile Joined May 2011
United States2971 Posts
January 08 2014 04:20 GMT
#12
Guess it was bound to happen with eSF teams dying and GSTL's death too. Sad but inevitable
"Numbers speak about the past, not the present." -Thorzain
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37043 Posts
January 08 2014 04:21 GMT
#13
On January 08 2014 13:20 ZenithM wrote:
The name was probably created with the eventual cancelling in mind.

LOL!

Looks like that tweet told us that Legend will now be a player on ST?
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Kinky
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States4126 Posts
January 08 2014 04:22 GMT
#14
Wonder what his role on Startale will be now.
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
January 08 2014 04:23 GMT
#15
What was it earlier? Also, not that surprising. Korea can hardly support the teams it has.
dreaming of a sunny day
Guileful
Profile Joined November 2012
Kazakhstan137 Posts
January 08 2014 04:25 GMT
#16
Expecting more puns on that one
cywinr
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada173 Posts
January 08 2014 04:27 GMT
#17
epic fail
Karis Vas Ryaar
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States4396 Posts
January 08 2014 04:28 GMT
#18
On January 08 2014 13:21 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 13:20 ZenithM wrote:
The name was probably created with the eventual cancelling in mind.

LOL!

Looks like that tweet told us that Legend will now be a player on ST?


last time that didn't go so well. although I think that was more of a joke than serious.
"I'm not agreeing with a lot of Virus's decisions but they are working" Tasteless. Ipl4 Losers Bracket Virus 2-1 Maru
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
January 08 2014 04:33 GMT
#19
Not surprising. SK can't handle more SCII teams.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 08 2014 04:38 GMT
#20
That sucks. Unfortunate to hear
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
January 08 2014 04:42 GMT
#21
supplies
Esports historian since 2000. Creator of 'The Universe' and 'The best scrambled Eggs 2013'. Host of 'Star Wars Marathon 2015'. Thinker of 'teddyoojo's Thoughts'. Earths and Moons leading CS:GO expert. Lord of the Rings.
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
January 08 2014 04:45 GMT
#22
Epic fail
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 08 2014 04:49 GMT
#23
title says Epik when both the original mention of the team and this one say Epic
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 08 2014 04:59 GMT
#24
Not too unexpected, but I feel for him nonetheless. It has got to suck to publicly fail like this.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
January 08 2014 04:59 GMT
#25
Best thing was netizens adding Epik to the list of eSF teams, so at least we had that
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
dcemuser
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3248 Posts
January 08 2014 05:10 GMT
#26
On January 08 2014 13:49 Pokebunny wrote:
title says Epik when both the original mention of the team and this one say Epic

Maybe it was a typo in the title. It kind of ruins the pun with that typo though.
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
January 08 2014 05:15 GMT
#27
epic fail
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
LongShot27
Profile Joined May 2013
United States2084 Posts
January 08 2014 05:16 GMT
#28
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?
If all men were created equal there would be no reason to declare it.
Delphiki
Profile Joined October 2012
Philippines1955 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 05:16:25
January 08 2014 05:16 GMT
#29
wrong thread
Omnishroud
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
1073 Posts
January 08 2014 05:41 GMT
#30
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


I used to roll my eyes at people who screamed doom and gloom, but its getting hard to ignore. SC2 is still not "dying" though.
Omni = Capped (RIP TL Account) - LoL EUW: Capped92 - EU Bnet: Capped#1137 - Steam: Capped92
Nerevar
Profile Joined January 2013
547 Posts
January 08 2014 06:05 GMT
#31
I guess if GSTL were to miraculously return, it would have to be with KeSPA teams, probably as an off-season special event kind of thing like the STX Masters Cup.
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
January 08 2014 06:14 GMT
#32
On January 08 2014 15:05 Nerevar wrote:
I guess if GSTL were to miraculously return, it would have to be with KeSPA teams, probably as an off-season special event kind of thing like the STX Masters Cup.

Which is a good deal for kespa teams
Any tourny more in korea is a good thing at this point
...
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
January 08 2014 06:27 GMT
#33
Was looking forward to a new team entering the mix. Guess it's just not possible with the current state of SC2.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45017 Posts
January 08 2014 06:46 GMT
#34
Epic Fail, but not particularly surprised... it didn't seem very structured or self-sufficient. Too ragtag imo.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
January 08 2014 07:05 GMT
#35
It's sad and unfortunate to hear, but I saw this coming seeing how a bunch of the esf teams went to kespa once Soul and FXO disbanded
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
TeslasPigeon
Profile Joined March 2012
464 Posts
January 08 2014 07:10 GMT
#36
On January 08 2014 14:41 Omnishroud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


I used to roll my eyes at people who screamed doom and gloom, but its getting hard to ignore. SC2 is still not "dying" though.


SC2 is dying, only it's dying in South Korea. SC2 is still very popular as a spectator event in Europe and North America, especially Europe which I'd argue is the best region for SC2 and esports as a whole. Just looking at the past tournaments in 2013 nearly all major events outside of Korea dwarf the GSL in live audience and stream viewers.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 08 2014 07:19 GMT
#37
SC2's future depends on the continuation of PL in 2015.

Sponsors are attracted to viewers, viewers like highest gameplays, those gameplays are created by tight team supports and infrastructures. If PL cease to exists, teams will disband, level of play will go down, people will cease to tune in, and sponsors will be alienated.

PL 2014 is SC2's last stand.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 08 2014 07:25 GMT
#38
On January 08 2014 16:19 Xiphos wrote:
SC2's future depends on the continuation of PL in 2015.

Sponsors are attracted to viewers, viewers like highest gameplays, those gameplays are created by tight team supports and infrastructures. If PL cease to exists, teams will disband, level of play will go down, people will cease to tune in, and sponsors will be alienated.

PL 2014 is SC2's last stand.


This is a little over dramatic, even without teams, GSL will probably continue via blizzard sponsorship. It's definitely SC2 in Korea's team league last stand, though.
Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
January 08 2014 07:35 GMT
#39
On January 08 2014 16:25 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 16:19 Xiphos wrote:
SC2's future depends on the continuation of PL in 2015.

Sponsors are attracted to viewers, viewers like highest gameplays, those gameplays are created by tight team supports and infrastructures. If PL cease to exists, teams will disband, level of play will go down, people will cease to tune in, and sponsors will be alienated.

PL 2014 is SC2's last stand.


This is a little over dramatic, even without teams, GSL will probably continue via blizzard sponsorship. It's definitely SC2 in Korea's team league last stand, though.


Team disbanding > level of play falling > less people watching GSL.

Only a matter of time Blizzard decide to pull the plug.
2014 - ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ Raise your bows brood warriors! ᕙ( •̀ل͜•́) ϡ
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
January 08 2014 07:47 GMT
#40
Sadly can't say I'm surprised
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
LockeTazeline
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
2390 Posts
January 08 2014 07:59 GMT
#41
(T)Legend 0-2 (P)Creator Code A Qualifiers.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 08 2014 08:06 GMT
#42
On January 08 2014 16:59 LockeTazeline wrote:
(T)Legend 0-2 (P)Creator Code A Qualifiers.

I hope all this means he's going back to casting GSL.

He's so much better than the observer Proleague has, it's making me miss good observing.
Flash | Mvp
darkscream
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2310 Posts
January 08 2014 08:11 GMT
#43
I really think Legend was the guy to do it, but he picked probably the worst possible time to try.

Maybe some day we'll see team epic. Right now we don't need more splitting teams, we need consolidation.
Akaann
Profile Joined May 2011
Switzerland82 Posts
January 08 2014 08:20 GMT
#44
On January 08 2014 17:06 Ctesias wrote:
He's so much better than the observer Proleague has, it's making me miss good observing.


True, the PL observers are pretty bad. And they don't listen to the english casters, cant tell how many times wolf said, what he would love to see now, and they never showed it.
But the PL can't reach GSTL in every way. I mean wolf is a good caster, but who is this other guy? why not Khaldor? Why not Tastosis?
The games are good, but the coverage of GSTL was so much better. I allready miss it
https://www.instagram.com/luke4power/
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
January 08 2014 08:45 GMT
#45
Very smart decision Legend. Any new team is bound to fail with the way sc2 is headed..
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 08 2014 08:55 GMT
#46
On January 08 2014 13:09 Dodgin wrote:
At least he realized it wouldn't work and backed out instead of going through with it and failing miserably.


Sons of Starcraft!
Moderator
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 08 2014 08:57 GMT
#47
On January 08 2014 17:20 Akaann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 17:06 Ctesias wrote:
He's so much better than the observer Proleague has, it's making me miss good observing.


True, the PL observers are pretty bad. And they don't listen to the english casters, cant tell how many times wolf said, what he would love to see now, and they never showed it.
But the PL can't reach GSTL in every way. I mean wolf is a good caster, but who is this other guy? why not Khaldor? Why not Tastosis?
The games are good, but the coverage of GSTL was so much better. I allready miss it


Why not? Because Gom is in direct competition with OGN and blocked off the ability for their casters to cast for OGN while under contracts most likely. This is probably true seeing as how the two networks have been at each other's throats to get OSL/GSL featured or de-listed from the WCS by blizzard. Sad to say that even though I think the Korean SC2 scene needs co-operation between the major organizations it's obviously not happening.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 08 2014 09:35 GMT
#48
Legend of the Swarm 2.0.
DinoToss
Profile Joined August 2013
Poland507 Posts
January 08 2014 09:39 GMT
#49
On January 08 2014 17:57 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 17:20 Akaann wrote:
On January 08 2014 17:06 Ctesias wrote:
He's so much better than the observer Proleague has, it's making me miss good observing.


True, the PL observers are pretty bad. And they don't listen to the english casters, cant tell how many times wolf said, what he would love to see now, and they never showed it.
But the PL can't reach GSTL in every way. I mean wolf is a good caster, but who is this other guy? why not Khaldor? Why not Tastosis?
The games are good, but the coverage of GSTL was so much better. I allready miss it


Why not? Because Gom is in direct competition with OGN and blocked off the ability for their casters to cast for OGN while under contracts most likely. This is probably true seeing as how the two networks have been at each other's throats to get OSL/GSL featured or de-listed from the WCS by blizzard. Sad to say that even though I think the Korean SC2 scene needs co-operation between the major organizations it's obviously not happening.

You mean in the past? OGN is not doing SC2 anymore.
My wrist really started to flare up. My colossi number started to pile up and with the last of my concentration I prepared for a win.
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
January 08 2014 11:13 GMT
#50
Team Epic Fail rofl.....
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
January 08 2014 11:22 GMT
#51
I would be happy with only Kespa teams of like 8-10 and have the scene be stable
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3686 Posts
January 08 2014 11:31 GMT
#52
We still have a few weeks till code s right? I guess he should be back in time to observer
monsta
Profile Joined November 2012
172 Posts
January 08 2014 12:11 GMT
#53
epik fail
Bjarne
Profile Joined December 2012
Germany192 Posts
January 08 2014 12:31 GMT
#54
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


No, these guys easily sit on 14K viewers for EU WCS Qualifiers (!) and a thrilling new proleague.
SC2 scene was ok with only eSF and is ok with only KeSPA. Only BOTH of them was too much...
MMA II DeMuslim II MKP II JD II IdrA II HuK II Leenock II Stephano II
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
January 08 2014 12:43 GMT
#55
On January 08 2014 13:22 Kinky wrote:
Wonder what his role on Startale will be now.

Dishwasher
rly ?
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
January 08 2014 12:54 GMT
#56
I'm feeling bad for such teams who in earnest, are just trying to make a name for themselves.
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
danbel1005
Profile Joined February 2008
United States1319 Posts
January 08 2014 13:09 GMT
#57
On January 08 2014 13:15 Adebisi wrote:
RIP


RIP in Peace indeed, oh well better luck next time.

STLegend hwaiting ♥
"EE HAN TIMING" Jaedong vs Stork [22 December, 2007] 2set @ Finals EVER OSL.
Comadevil
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany214 Posts
January 08 2014 13:10 GMT
#58
On January 08 2014 16:35 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 16:25 Dodgin wrote:
On January 08 2014 16:19 Xiphos wrote:
SC2's future depends on the continuation of PL in 2015.

Sponsors are attracted to viewers, viewers like highest gameplays, those gameplays are created by tight team supports and infrastructures. If PL cease to exists, teams will disband, level of play will go down, people will cease to tune in, and sponsors will be alienated.

PL 2014 is SC2's last stand.


This is a little over dramatic, even without teams, GSL will probably continue via blizzard sponsorship. It's definitely SC2 in Korea's team league last stand, though.


Team disbanding > level of play falling > less people watching GSL.

Only a matter of time Blizzard decide to pull the plug.


Team disbanding does not cause the level of play to fall. It causes more likely that less skilled players fall out of the roosters instead cause there are less team spots.
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
January 08 2014 13:18 GMT
#59
this name and the fail... oh god :D, glad he realised it that early instead of making debts or something
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
January 08 2014 13:52 GMT
#60
with no gstl and soon no esf. it would have made no sense
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
January 08 2014 14:13 GMT
#61
Epik fails..


to launch. sucks though =(
"Right on" - Morrow
ThePrince
Profile Joined October 2010
Peru331 Posts
January 08 2014 14:26 GMT
#62
What an epic fail.
SK_MC, ST_Parting, STX_Bogus fighting!!! Colossi should shoot nukes and blink.
Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
January 08 2014 14:33 GMT
#63
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 14:56:52
January 08 2014 14:54 GMT
#64
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?

When was the last time a startup team succeeded in SC2? What about a startup team in Korea? This stuff only ever panned out well back in the very beginning, when NO ONE was actually well-established in SC2. Damn near every new team since then that tried to break into the elite went bankrupt and imploded in short order.
Right now, everyone's staked their claims on the pro-scene with no slices of the pie left over. Unreasonably optimistic sponsors are all but gone and Korea's scene is contracting due to the lack of Korean fans and thus Korean sponsors. We aren't growing, but we certainly aren't dying. We're consolidating, bringing things down to a reasonable level. What we were doing before was only possible due to over-optimism and a sort of "gold rush" mentality. Right now, we are becoming sustainable. SC2 isn't the Wild West anymore, we need to tighten our belts and prepare for a good dose of reality.
Having said that, there is a natural (and much smaller than some people would have you think) decline in fan base associated with the initial excitement of release dying down. That still doesn't mean SC2 is dying, though; most competitive games out there that managed to acquire a fan base as big as SC2 at one point manage to last for years and years after their final update until their pro scene finally sputters out. SC2 is still being actively updated, has another expansion pack on the way and is most likely going to get a sequel as well.
We're the only RTS on the market with a sizable pro scene and release date recent enough to be tolerable to the modern gamer. We aren't going to "die" until at least a year after the release of LotV, and even then there will still be competitive players who play the game because they love the game and the thrill of victory.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
January 08 2014 15:25 GMT
#65
Nuts, was hoping this could at least get off the ground; would have been nice to see.

Oh well...
On August 15 2013 03:43 Waxangel wrote: no amount of money can replace the enjoyment of being mean to people on the internet
Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
January 08 2014 15:32 GMT
#66
It's not surprising but SO MUCH FOR THAT!
ZerO - FantaSy - Calm - Nal_rA - Jaedong - NaDa - EffOrt - Bisu - by.hero - StarDust - Welmu - Nerchio - Supernova - Solar - Squirtle - LosirA - Grubby - IntoTheRainbow - Golden... ~~~ Incredible Miracle and Woongjin Stars 화이팅!
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
January 08 2014 16:13 GMT
#67
well, there's no point in founding an eSF team with no GSTL and eSF being psuhed into meaninglessness
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
January 08 2014 17:12 GMT
#68
I dont know what to say....??
Long live the Boss Toss!
Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
January 08 2014 19:45 GMT
#69
On January 08 2014 14:10 dcemuser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 13:49 Pokebunny wrote:
title says Epik when both the original mention of the team and this one say Epic

Maybe it was a typo in the title. It kind of ruins the pun with that typo though.

Yeah, I kinda just wanted it to read "epic fail" on the sidebar.
Semipro Terran player | Pokebunny#1710 | twitter.com/Pokebunny | twitch.tv/Pokebunny | facebook.com/PokebunnySC
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 08 2014 23:07 GMT
#70
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners.

granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight.
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
January 08 2014 23:50 GMT
#71
On January 09 2014 08:07 fishjie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners.

granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight.

MLG announced their return to SC2 (before you made your post, might I add). They're also going to host a major tournament that specifically focuses on the NA scene and its players. What was that about a dwindling spotlight?
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
January 08 2014 23:55 GMT
#72
On January 09 2014 08:50 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2014 08:07 fishjie wrote:
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?


On a more positive note, now that sc2 is dead in korea, this finally means foreigners can compete once again! sc2 died in NA because all the foreigners got roflstomped by the koreans. people stopped watching. however, now that korean teams are disbanding and all their players retiring, fewer koreans are gonna be able to afford to go overseas and pwn the foreigners.

granted at this point its too late now that mlg has dropped sc2 and ipl died and everyone has moved on, but the few foreigners who still do play can finally get their chance in the dwindling spotlight.

MLG announced their return to SC2 (before you made your post, might I add). They're also going to host a major tournament that specifically focuses on the NA scene and its players. What was that about a dwindling spotlight?


oh snap just saw the news

well there you go, the foreigners have finally won!
ratty
Profile Joined July 2011
New Zealand275 Posts
January 09 2014 09:27 GMT
#73
On January 08 2014 23:54 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 14:16 LongShot27 wrote:
The guys saying "Starcraft is fine, you guys are overreacting" haven't showed up yet. Have they finally come to grips with reality?

When was the last time a startup team succeeded in SC2? What about a startup team in Korea? This stuff only ever panned out well back in the very beginning, when NO ONE was actually well-established in SC2. Damn near every new team since then that tried to break into the elite went bankrupt and imploded in short order.
Right now, everyone's staked their claims on the pro-scene with no slices of the pie left over. Unreasonably optimistic sponsors are all but gone and Korea's scene is contracting due to the lack of Korean fans and thus Korean sponsors. We aren't growing, but we certainly aren't dying. We're consolidating, bringing things down to a reasonable level. What we were doing before was only possible due to over-optimism and a sort of "gold rush" mentality. Right now, we are becoming sustainable. SC2 isn't the Wild West anymore, we need to tighten our belts and prepare for a good dose of reality.
Having said that, there is a natural (and much smaller than some people would have you think) decline in fan base associated with the initial excitement of release dying down. That still doesn't mean SC2 is dying, though; most competitive games out there that managed to acquire a fan base as big as SC2 at one point manage to last for years and years after their final update until their pro scene finally sputters out. SC2 is still being actively updated, has another expansion pack on the way and is most likely going to get a sequel as well.
We're the only RTS on the market with a sizable pro scene and release date recent enough to be tolerable to the modern gamer. We aren't going to "die" until at least a year after the release of LotV, and even then there will still be competitive players who play the game because they love the game and the thrill of victory.

unfortunately your sense and logic will not be tolerated. people to love to invent there own misery happens everywhere in life. i agree completely with your post there still life in the scene tightening up is inevitable so is the shedding of players who don't warrant the time and money spent on them for the minimal/ no return. its sad but not the end. new team would have been nice but it really didn't have a place to go for team leagues in KR, PL seems like a bitch to get in to and wont let in some jump-start team and GOM really ant worrying that much bout gstl by the looks
no. monkeys land on their feet, they're like masturbating cats ~ #~hyvaa~#~
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Korean Royale
12:00
Group Stage 1 - Group A
WardiTV859
Rex138
LiquipediaDiscussion
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #112
Krystianer vs SKillousLIVE!
CranKy Ducklings143
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Reynor 221
RotterdaM 188
Rex 138
MindelVK 24
StarCraft: Brood War
firebathero 8750
Sea 5692
GuemChi 1026
actioN 660
Pusan 560
Barracks 448
Hyun 278
hero 241
Last 217
Mini 186
[ Show more ]
Soma 139
PianO 111
Larva 102
Backho 72
ToSsGirL 60
HiyA 10
Noble 10
scan(afreeca) 9
Dota 2
Gorgc11311
singsing2338
Dendi331
Pyrionflax257
XcaliburYe214
Counter-Strike
x6flipin680
edward73
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor221
Other Games
B2W.Neo1225
Sick199
goatrope79
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 14
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3390
• WagamamaTV465
League of Legends
• Jankos3785
Upcoming Events
LAN Event
1h 46m
ByuN vs Zoun
TBD vs TriGGeR
Clem vs TBD
IPSL
4h 46m
JDConan vs WIZARD
WolFix vs Cross
BSL 21
6h 46m
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
OSC
9h 46m
OSC
19h 46m
Wardi Open
22h 46m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 22h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
[ Show More ]
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
6 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 21 Points
SC4ALL: StarCraft II
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.