Sources: DailyEsports (1), (2), PGR21.com, official KeSPA press materials. Thanks to Supernovamaniac for starting this thread, which has been appropriated.
Broadcasting: SK Telecom will be sponsoring the 2014 Proleague, and it will be broadcasted exclusively on SPOTV Games and SPOTV2. Matches will be viewable through Naver, Youtube, and Twitch.
Matches are played on Sunday, Monday, Tuesday at 10:00 GMT (+00:00), and two Bo5 matches are played a day. The matches will be played from a new esports stadium established by Nexon in the Gangnam area of Seoul.
Teams: SK Telecom T1, KT Rolster, CJ Entus, Jin Air Green Wings, Incredible Miracle, Prime, Team MVP, Samsung Galaxy Khan
Tournament Format: There will be four rounds this season, and teams will earn points at the end of each round depending on their placement. The four teams with the most points will advance to the season-end playoffs for the Proleague championship. Each round will be played as a round robin, with matches being Bo5 in Proleague style.
Points for placing in a round: 1st: 81 / 2nd: 71 / 3rd: 61 / 4th: 51 / 5th: 45 / 6th: 40 / 7th: 35 / 8th: 30
Also, each ROUND itself has its own "post-season" (playoffs) between the top four teams where they play for the round championship. Those matches are played Bo7 winners league (all-kill) style. The winning team gets 40 points extra points, and 15,000,000 won in prize money. The second place team gets 10 points at 5,000,000 in prize money.
The season end playoffs is played as a best Bo3 of Bo7 matches, with the format alternating between Proleague, All-kill, and Proleague again. The format has changed to be a single elim, with the #1 seed playing the #4 seed, and the #2 seed playing the #4 seed. The GRAND FINALS are played as a single Bo7 match. The Proleague champions win 50,000,000 won, while the runner-up wins 20,000,000.
Individual awards: 5,000,000 won to player with most wins, 2,000,000 won to rookie of the year, 1,000,000 won to head coach of the year, 3,000,000 won to finals MVP.
The MVP winner and other players with top rankings in the Proleague will be given support to compete in WCS class international tournaments.
Maps: Ladder: Bel'Shir Vestige, Frost, Star Station, Yeonsu.
New Maps: Sejong Science Base, Outboxer.
ETC: Event matches with eSF teams or foreign teams are being considered.
Wait so will they play in the small little venue they always play in or will they play in those big ass soundproof booths cuz it seems like OGN is the studio with the large soundproof booths
On December 14 2013 11:41 juicyjames wrote: So unless OGN runs an OSL, does this mean OGN is done completely with SC2?
I'm not surprised. There was a rumor earlier this week that OGN was not going to broadcast Proleague, and there were some things on facebook that hinted at this possibility.
Wow wasn't expecting such a massive prize-pool for Proleague.
Seriously people, you have nothing to bitch about. Nothing. Stop the whining over OGN. They didn't want to broadcast it, so too bad for them. This prize pool is big and better than any of us were expecting. Like someone else said, I believe it's the biggest in Proleague history.
If SC2 starts catching on again in Korea, I'm sure it'll get picked up for TV. This was expected though, regarding OGN changing to LoL.
P.S. I have no idea why they would do Bo5 over Bo7, but I'm o.k. with it either way.
On December 14 2013 11:41 juicyjames wrote: So unless OGN runs an OSL, does this mean OGN is done completely with SC2?
Does anyone know if the OSL is dead, or will it keep going?
it's up to them we really don't know, with ogn not being as involved in sc2 now it wouldn't all that unlikely, however it could just mean they are focusing on OSL.
On December 14 2013 12:06 SCST wrote: Wow wasn't expecting such a massive prize-pool for Pro-league.
Seriously people, you have nothing to bitch about. Nothing. Stop the whining over OGN. They didn't want to broadcast it, so too bad for them. This prize pool is big and better than any of us were expecting.
Broadcast TV is sort of past its prime and SC2 does seem to live on the internet only.
On December 14 2013 12:06 SCST wrote: Wow wasn't expecting such a massive prize-pool for Proleague.
Seriously people, you have nothing to bitch about. Nothing. Stop the whining over OGN. They didn't want to broadcast it, so too bad for them. This prize pool is big and better than any of us were expecting. Like someone else said, I believe it's the biggest in Proleague history.
If SC2 starts catching on again in Korea, I'm sure it'll get picked up for TV. This was expected though, regarding OGN changing to LoL.
P.S. I have no idea why they would do Bo5 over Bo7, but I'm o.k. with it either way.
I like this post lol.
But seriously, it's so weird that OGN drops out but SKTelecom shells out this big prize pool. I'm actually super happy with how it's working haha. And, I don't even mind the Bo5. Is it as good as BO7? Maybe not, but I think it'll be okay, mostly because the quality of games last season were good enough that a BO5 would still feel, idk, impactful.
With all the prize pool has to offer it's little wonder so many teams went over, seems pretty sick. Also while OGN might be out 4ever, hopefully they're just gonna focus on OSL, even if the OSL will be probably smaller.
I've heard rumors about OGN creating another Proleague for LoL. I guess they completely abandoned SC2 Proleague and will fill up the remaining time slots with Champions or LoL Proleague.
On December 14 2013 12:06 LongShot27 wrote: Bo5 is kind of a let down
to say the least. I'd say it's complete bullshit and with no cable tv broadcasting this could very well be the last proleague.
Because cable TV is what all the kids are watching now a days in the vija-game world?
no but cable tv is what brings in viewers of the general public, which gets you sponsors, exposure etc.
If you go on the street in Seoul and ask any random teenager who Liquid`Taeja is you think they know who is? lol. do the same for SKT Faker and they will know right away (I'm not joking).
On December 14 2013 12:15 Havik_ wrote: Just because they're throwing money at the game doesn't mean that SC2 will come back to its former glory in Korea.
Dang best of five proleague format? Gonna see a lot of 3-0s and depth becomes irrelevant. Also none of the rounds are all kill excepting the mini postseasons in each round. Not too happy about all this tbh
Bo5 really sucks, but I guess when you have teams like Prime with three players on their roster or whatever you don't have much of a choice.
but really teams like IM, MVP, and especially SKT have really good players that will simply never get to play, while we'll be subjected to Byun, Broken Creator, and whatever 12 year olds Prime can round up every week.
the lack of involvement from OGN sucks, but I can't say it wasn't expected.
First of all, isn't SPOTV GAME a new television channel? If so then SC2 would still be on TV just on a different station. Also, I'm surprised no SC2/LoL joint Proleague plans were announced for this season. I was pretty sure that would have happened by now...
On December 14 2013 12:31 StarStruck wrote: No OGN cast. This makes me a sad Panda. D:
Well, it was kinda hinted by many people few weeks ago. And that rumor that got posted few days ago on one of the Korean websites that got deleted immediately.
I hate to be a pessimist, but SPOTV instead of OGN sounds just worse quality over all (prove me wrong, please). Their studio didn't even have soundproof booths last season. Additionally, I'd rather see a one year long league with $100k prize for the winner and $40k for the runner up than this WCS style division to seasons. The arrangement is propably more stable to fund the teams on equal basis, but dividing the prize money really eats some of the prestige away.
Reasonable, but it's just sad no matter how I try to think about it...
On December 14 2013 12:33 looknohands119 wrote: First of all, isn't SPOTV GAME a new television channel? If so then SC2 would still be on TV just on a different station. Also, I'm surprised no SC2/LoL joint Proleague plans were announced for this season. I was pretty sure that would have happened by now...
This would be the worst thing to happen ever. No hyperbole.
On December 14 2013 12:40 Noocta wrote: Gonna be awkward to give the rookie of the year award when teams will barely get to send rookies with a bo5 format..
On December 14 2013 12:41 ne4aJIb wrote: bo5 loool, i would understand it on ogn, who has strict time, but spotv?
I think its bo5 because the teams just can't support giant rosters. Unfortunately. Though who knows maybe sc2 will start to grow again in Korea only time will tell
On December 14 2013 12:41 ne4aJIb wrote: bo5 loool, i would understand it on ogn, who has strict time, but spotv?
I think its bo5 because the teams just can't support giant rosters. Unfortunately. Though who knows maybe sc2 will start to grow again in Korea only time will tell
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
On December 14 2013 12:46 OopsOopsBaby wrote: total prize pool is 160k? last season was 300k. how is it the biggest prizepool in proleague history when it got cut by half?
next weeks: teams with 15 players like IM/SKT/CJ/KT all gonna to shrink, i think the effort need to be outside korea right now, sc2 is doomed because of lol in there. Blizzard needs to support a team league too IMHO, imagine a global team leaguem with 16 teams, i dont even care if its online, put the playoffs offline and bingo, we live in the internet era right now, i really feel we dont need to reproduce the in studio leagues to be good...
On December 14 2013 12:41 ne4aJIb wrote: bo5 loool, i would understand it on ogn, who has strict time, but spotv?
I think its bo5 because the teams just can't support giant rosters. Unfortunately. Though who knows maybe sc2 will start to grow again in Korea only time will tell
Ehh the only team that I don't think has 7 field-able players is Prime
can someone clarify the timeslot? How many matches will be played starting 7pm KST? And 3 playdays per week seem weird. Looks like each team will only play one game each week
All in all Im pretty disappointed compared to last season
On December 14 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote: can someone clarify the timeslot? How many matches will be played starting 7pm KST? And 3 playdays per week seem weird. Looks like each team will only play one game each week
All in all Im pretty disappointed compared to last season
On December 14 2013 12:41 ne4aJIb wrote: bo5 loool, i would understand it on ogn, who has strict time, but spotv?
I think its bo5 because the teams just can't support giant rosters. Unfortunately. Though who knows maybe sc2 will start to grow again in Korea only time will tell
Ehh the only team that I don't think has 7 field-able players is Prime
On December 14 2013 12:31 StarStruck wrote: No OGN cast. This makes me a sad Panda. D:
Well, it was kinda hinted by many people few weeks ago. And that rumor that got posted few days ago on one of the Korean websites that got deleted immediately.
yeah i know, i just needed confirmation of it. I'm not an insider anymore like you guys, so everything I hear is 2nd hand.
On December 14 2013 12:54 malady wrote: sk saves proleague again
On December 14 2013 12:57 Arceus wrote: can someone clarify the timeslot? How many matches will be played starting 7pm KST? And 3 playdays per week seem weird. Looks like each team will only play one game each week
All in all Im pretty disappointed compared to last season
OP says 2 matches per day.
Same matches as last year (2 per day on Sat/Sun, 1 per day on Mon/Tue = 6 per week last year). I agree the changes to the BoX format (and prize pool?) are pretty dramatic but, hey, let's think positively. SCBW people will tell us that sometimes the death of something old brings something new. At least this season promises a lot of awesome matches. Tell everyone you know to tune in!
SKT to save the day. I totally understand and expect OGN not do anything with SC2 anymore. The Korean SC2 scene is just meh and is basically being held up by Blizzard dumping money into it.
Regarding the maps, I was really hoping they would start trying out non-standard things. Changes with resources, and whatnot. I know they did try that with Fighting Spirit, but SC2 really needs something different than the maps that mostly play out the same every time. Balance is a non-issue when the scene is dying to stale games.
Hoping bigger changes happen during Proleague to shake SC2 up.. KeSPA needs go all in and completely take things into their own hands. It is definitely good that they are taking a gamble and changing venues, so that is a small start. Don't like the Bo5, though.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
I agree but bo5 does suck... A lot
I'll give those who are depressed that little tidbit. At the same time, that might change.
People just need to put this in perspective. We went from the strong possibility of no Proleague ever again to this, which is overall an improvement if you consider the prize pool > than the bo5 vs bo7 in regards to importance. Either way, we went from the possibility of nothing to this and people are complaining.
On December 14 2013 13:27 VisonKai wrote: Am I correct in assuming there are no all kill rounds? That's a bit of a bummer, all kills are always so dramatic, I'd like at least one.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
On December 14 2013 13:27 VisonKai wrote: Am I correct in assuming there are no all kill rounds? That's a bit of a bummer, all kills are always so dramatic, I'd like at least one.
I don't think any of that's been announced.
As per the OP, each round's playoffs is Bo7 all-kill format, and the season's playoffs is Bo3 of Bo7 matches alternating between proleague, all-kill, and proleague format again.
On December 14 2013 13:27 VisonKai wrote: Am I correct in assuming there are no all kill rounds? That's a bit of a bummer, all kills are always so dramatic, I'd like at least one.
I don't think any of that's been announced.
As per the OP, each round's playoffs is Bo7 all-kill format, and the season's playoffs is Bo3 of Bo7 alternating Proleague, all-kill, Proleague format.
The season end playoffs is played as a best Bo3 of Bo7 matches, with the format alternating between Proleague, All-kill, and Proleague again. The format has changed to be a single elim, with the #1 seed playing the #4 seed, and the #2 seed playing the #4 seed. The GRAND FINALS are played as a single Bo7 match.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
Viewers will care a lot more about the quality of the matches than the prize pool...
Sucks to be the number 4 seed in the playoffs, have to play both the number 1 and 2 seeds in the first round. =P (actually maybe sucks to be the number 3 seed because then you don't play at all)
Bo5 is really going to help KT, so there's a bonus.
On December 14 2013 13:27 VisonKai wrote: Am I correct in assuming there are no all kill rounds? That's a bit of a bummer, all kills are always so dramatic, I'd like at least one.
I don't think any of that's been announced.
As per the OP, each round's playoffs is Bo7 all-kill format, and the season's playoffs is Bo3 of Bo7 alternating Proleague, all-kill, Proleague format.
The season end playoffs is played as a best Bo3 of Bo7 matches, with the format alternating between Proleague, All-kill, and Proleague again. The format has changed to be a single elim, with the #1 seed playing the #4 seed, and the #2 seed playing the #4 seed. The GRAND FINALS are played as a single Bo7 match.
I can't tell if you're trying to correct me or are just adding more information? I honestly would like to know if I'm wrong about the format, as the wording in the OP confused me at first. ;;
On December 14 2013 13:54 Knowerz wrote: Sucks to be the number 4 seed in the playoffs, have to play both the number 1 and 2 seeds in the first round. =P (actually maybe sucks to be the number 3 seed because then you don't play at all)
Bo5 is really going to help KT, so there's a bonus.
Number 4 seed is amazing, you have to lose twice to be out! And if they win their first 2 games they auto-win (Maybe SKT will be able to use all their star power in one match after all!).
On December 14 2013 13:27 VisonKai wrote: Am I correct in assuming there are no all kill rounds? That's a bit of a bummer, all kills are always so dramatic, I'd like at least one.
I don't think any of that's been announced.
As per the OP, each round's playoffs is Bo7 all-kill format, and the season's playoffs is Bo3 of Bo7 matches alternating between proleague, all-kill, and proleague format again.
I blame my cold for my lack of reading comprehension.
Outboxer looks like it could turn out some interesting games, Sejong Science Base kind of looks like a Terran favored map, especially with both choices for 4th bases being so exposed. I think you'll end up with a dynamic where Zerg has trouble taking a 4th and Protoss gets spread too thin.
This is great, I was worried we wouldn't have proleague again. I'll get used to the Bo5 format, and I do hope the TV broadcasts get some viewership. That's where I am a little worried, without OGN broadcasting it, the publicity volume gets turned way down. I like the feeling of Starcraft on national TV. Guess we'll see how spotv is
I miss the days when Stacraft was popular in Korea, it really sucks to see OGN giving up on it. I hope they do at least one last OSL or fulfill my dreams and bring back BW...
Drop to Bo5 can't be just to accommodate smaller rosters since the playoffs are Bo7. So teams are still going to need at least 6 players (plus one re-used for ace match if necessary). Maybe they're trying to cut down length of broadcasts or something.
On December 14 2013 14:28 Kergy wrote: I miss the days when Stacraft was popular in Korea, it really sucks to see OGN giving up on it. I hope they do at least one last OSL or fulfill my dreams and bring back BW...
Q: Why did you found an entirely new channel? A: With MBCGame's sudden closure, only OGN was left to broadcast Proleague. In the midst of that SPOTV2 started broadcasting Proleague. We know there were a lot of complaints about the matches held at the Shindorim studio, so I hope you can forgive that as we are moving to a new channel.
On December 14 2013 14:37 Yakikorosu wrote: Drop to Bo5 can't be just to accommodate smaller rosters since the playoffs are Bo7. So teams are still going to need at least 6 players (plus one re-used for ace match if necessary). Maybe they're trying to cut down length of broadcasts or something.
yeah that's probably it
Q: SPOTV2 will be broadcasting women's basketball. What happens to that once SPL starts? A: We are running 3 sports channels. As we prepped for Proleague, we realized that our new channel wasn't receiving enough recognition. Because the sports and games audience have overlap, we decided to broadcast both of them live at the same time. We plan to broadcast women's basketball through SPOTV1.
On December 14 2013 13:59 Arceus wrote: In the apparel department, it looks like KT has switched from Adidas to UNDFTD
Damn it they looked much better in Adidas. So did SKT1 tbh but Nike is decent still, this UNDFTD outfit doesn't look very good, I liked their WJ Stars uniform design much better.
On December 14 2013 14:37 Yakikorosu wrote: Drop to Bo5 can't be just to accommodate smaller rosters since the playoffs are Bo7. So teams are still going to need at least 6 players (plus one re-used for ace match if necessary). Maybe they're trying to cut down length of broadcasts or something.
Does anyone expect Prime to make it to the playoffs?
On December 14 2013 14:37 Yakikorosu wrote: Drop to Bo5 can't be just to accommodate smaller rosters since the playoffs are Bo7. So teams are still going to need at least 6 players (plus one re-used for ace match if necessary). Maybe they're trying to cut down length of broadcasts or something.
Does anyone expect Prime to make it to the playoffs?
Looks like everyone else can field a full team.
If they wanted to do a Bo7, I really doubt they'd change the whole format of their tournament to accommodate a team so bad that they just assume there's no chance of them making the playoffs. Why would they even bother including Prime in the league then? And what would they do if Prime DID make it to the playoffs if you assume Prime is just completely INCAPABLE of putting together a 6-man roster? Force other teams to gift them players?
Seems more likely that the change to Bo5 is just indicative that they don't think there'll be enough interest in this to warrant a longer (Bo7) broadcast except for the playoffs.
Edit: Frankly, I am assuming that Prime will sign at least SOMEONE. Maybe not a big player like KangHo or Dear but at least some competitive-level players. Maybe Revival/aLive and/or Oz? Because frankly, Bo5 or Bo7, I really don't think Creator/ByuN/Annyeong/unknowns are going to be winning many (any?) matches.
On December 14 2013 11:39 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: The format has changed to be a single elim, with the #1 seed playing the #4 seed, and the #2 seed playing the #4 seed.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Would prefer the sponsor to be a company that isn't already heavily invested in SC2...but ok good to know T1 is rich/committed enough to sponsor SPL multiple times.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
am I disallowed to compare Proleague to Proleague? jeez
"ETC: Event matches with eSF teams or foreign teams are being considered." this is probably the best news that they gave us. If foreign teams can play against kespa teams its only gonna give them exposure which is great
Bo5 seems weird but i'm fine with it because i still get proleague !
There some things i didn't get. Is their fewer rounds ? I tought it was more than 4. And playoff is BO7 allkill style.
Seems so long ago that i'm not sure about all the changes. Was the playoff allkill style ? I didn't thought so.
Maybe someone can expose exactly the difference between this year and the other ?
Also... GO PL !
On December 14 2013 17:00 fezvez wrote: I don't understand why people say it's the biggest Proleague prizepool. It's only 161M₩ (as opposed to 300M₩ last season for example)
On December 14 2013 12:06 SCST wrote: Wow wasn't expecting such a massive prize-pool for Proleague.
Seriously people, you have nothing to bitch about. Nothing. Stop the whining over OGN. They didn't want to broadcast it, so too bad for them. This prize pool is big and better than any of us were expecting. Like someone else said, I believe it's the biggest in Proleague history.
If SC2 starts catching on again in Korea, I'm sure it'll get picked up for TV. This was expected though, regarding OGN changing to LoL.
P.S. I have no idea why they would do Bo5 over Bo7, but I'm o.k. with it either way.
True! Great news, so much whining. I kind of like this, I hated how both Gom and OGN alternated the WCS and similarly I think it's a good thing only SPOTV is showing PL.
I like the prize pool, the format is nice as well. Also all games at 19:00 KST is nice, formerly they had some games much earlier.
EDIT: Though Bo5 is kinda sad, but as long as the finals are still Bo7 I can live with it.
BO5 is a shame truly, but I think we can't really complain overall. I am very curious to see what they will do with the stage matches against eSF and foreign teams
Sounds good, and if bo5 means they'll remove ace matches in favor of the team effort, thats cool I guess. (Would've loved a bo7 without ace-match, but I guess teams are too small for that ; looking at you Prime)
On December 14 2013 17:37 JustPassingBy wrote: Hm... won't the broadcast clash with WCS if it is on monday and tuesday?
GSL typically run Tuesday through Saturday and under the streamlined format I don't see why they will overlap, since you won't have Code A and Code S going during at the same period.
On December 14 2013 12:40 Noocta wrote: Gonna be awkward to give the rookie of the year award when teams will barely get to send rookies with a bo5 format..
Don't worry, IM will find a way to send rookies, even if it means they will lose all the time. It's how IM rolls
On December 14 2013 16:40 sCnInfinity wrote: I'm glad that OGN doesn't do the production anymore... Was horrible imo
OGN wasn't in charge of the english stream, that was all on SPOTV. They are, however, in charge of their LoL english stream and it's pretty much the best one in #esports.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
Hm, does anyone know if the other caster has any clue about SC2? His twitter says he is a former LoL guy. But even if Wolf casted alone, it would still be great, so I'm way more positive about this as compared to last season's situation already. Another question that remains, is whether he will continue to cast Code A and GSTL (if there is one)?
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
Oh god do you people ever just shut up?
I hope not, it's great comedy.
It's like we're offending someone by being happy about this, "I'm not happy so you can't be either!"
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
BEAUTIFUL ESPORTS TASTELESS
Another year of PL is great. I might be a little disappointed but this is already enough for me. As long as there will be another one next(which I guess is a year too early to worry about) it doesn't really matter how much bigger other games have become compared to sc2 imo.
And no Whiplash I hope the LoL dude is quite decent like Monte.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
Jesus, you are even worse than BW elitists... get lost vermin.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
Oh god do you people ever just shut up?
I hope not, it's great comedy.
It's like we're offending someone by being happy about this, "I'm not happy so you can't be either!"
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
I don't think they are allowed to talk shit about SC2. It's their job. But we should keep being positive, maybe one day SC2 will be as big or bigger than BW was. Look at CSGO and Dota 2.
As someone who never really watched much Proleague in BW or SC2, the prizes strike me as very low. I am being told here that in comparison with other years of Proleague, they are not, but in comparison with individual tournaments, they are almost absurdly low - they are comparable to a standart Premium tournament, but it goes to the whole team and requires many month of participation. In the end, the amount of money paid out per player and time is almost irrelevant. The only reasonable reason to play in this is for the (both personal and sponsor) exposure. It will be great if it produces good games, but is it really sustainable in the current market?
On a different note: if Wolf gets a co-caster with whom they fit well, it may be a pretty nice cast.
On December 14 2013 20:12 opisska wrote: As someone who never really watched much Proleague in BW or SC2, the prizes strike me as very low. I am being told here that in comparison with other years of Proleague, they are not, but in comparison with individual tournaments, they are almost absurdly low - they are comparable to a standart Premium tournament, but it goes to the whole team and requires many month of participation. In the end, the amount of money paid out per player and time is almost irrelevant. The only reasonable reason to play in this is for the (both personal and sponsor) exposure. It will be great if it produces good games, but is it really sustainable in the current market?
On a different note: if Wolf gets a co-caster with whom they fit well, it may be a pretty nice cast.
They are veeeeeeery low, the people who are saying they aren't are trying not to sound like "starcraft is dying" but they are indeed quite low
On December 14 2013 20:31 Qikz wrote: The new maps look good but I can't believe they selected the ladder maps they did.
They should just use their own map pool completely. They're always miles more entertaining.
good thing is that they're probably gonna drop all the ladder crap that is currently in the map pool after a season. Which I hope is gonna be reasonably short as always.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
Oh god do you people ever just shut up?
I hope not, it's great comedy.
It's like we're offending someone by being happy about this, "I'm not happy so you can't be either!"
Not at all. I posted that coz he posted enuff with BW nostalgia. That is the alternative to BW nostalgia. Rather than thinking of how much bigger it coulda been, we accept the fact that it never was, is not nor capable of achieving greater heights as it used to. If thats the thinking then yes, BW nostalgia is unwanted coz dreaming for more is jes a dream never to materialise.
Some of us however, truly believe in esport industry to be long lasting and truly self sustaining and no matter what, seek more towards that.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
Oh god do you people ever just shut up?
I hope not, it's great comedy.
It's like we're offending someone by being happy about this, "I'm not happy so you can't be either!"
Not at all. I posted that coz he posted enuff with BW nostalgia. That is the alternative to BW nostalgia. Rather than thinking of how much bigger it coulda been, we accept the fact that it never was, is not nor capable of achieving greater heights as it used to. If thats the thinking then yes, BW nostalgia is unwanted coz dreaming for more is jes a dream never to materialise.
Some of us however, truly believe in esport industry to be long lasting and truly self sustaining and no matter what, seek more towards that.
So in your twisted mind, what exactly are the difference between an esport and a "true" esport? Because there's no one definition I've seen that makes any reasonable sense.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
Oh god do you people ever just shut up?
I hope not, it's great comedy.
It's like we're offending someone by being happy about this, "I'm not happy so you can't be either!"
Not at all. I posted that coz he posted enuff with BW nostalgia. That is the alternative to BW nostalgia. Rather than thinking of how much bigger it coulda been, we accept the fact that it never was, is not nor capable of achieving greater heights as it used to. If thats the thinking then yes, BW nostalgia is unwanted coz dreaming for more is jes a dream never to materialise.
Some of us however, truly believe in esport industry to be long lasting and truly self sustaining and no matter what, seek more towards that.
Let me ask you this: Why is Korea so important? People always speak how massive BW was, but how big was it outside Korea? Why can't we be positive, seeing how much bigger the Starcraft franchise has become outside Korea? And yes Koreans are better at SC2, especially atm, but even then, can't we see the positive things, like how many relatively young Koreans get to see other parts of the world than just their own country? It may be a shame that SC2 didn't immediately become super big in Korea, but personally, I prefer it being somewhat popular world wide, than just popular in Korea.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
I don't think they are allowed to talk shit about SC2. It's their job. But we should keep being positive, maybe one day SC2 will be as big or bigger than BW was. Look at CSGO and Dota 2.
csgo isn't bigger than 1.6. Or do you mean bigger than css?
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
I don't think they are allowed to talk shit about SC2. It's their job. But we should keep being positive, maybe one day SC2 will be as big or bigger than BW was. Look at CSGO and Dota 2.
csgo isn't bigger than 1.6. Or do you mean bigger than css?
It's actually much bigger than 1.6 now in terms of concurrent player. Ever since they added weapon skin and crate drop the player has gone way up
lol i bet people that are complaining didn't like SC2 from the start.. what's your problem? Isn't BW alive and still kicking?
There is now a "PL" for BW and 1on1 leagues with your koreans gods of eSports.. just watch that and leave SC2 for the guys and players that embrace it!
I like PL and my biggest problem is that it misses the eSF teams.. i would rather have a joint league.. but they can't manage that!
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
I don't think they are allowed to talk shit about SC2. It's their job. But we should keep being positive, maybe one day SC2 will be as big or bigger than BW was. Look at CSGO and Dota 2.
csgo isn't bigger than 1.6. Or do you mean bigger than css?
It's actually much bigger than 1.6 now in terms of concurrent player. Ever since they added weapon skin and crate drop the player has gone way up
Keyword: now. Back then without 3 scene split 1.6 had way bigger numbers than that. It was a much more popular esport. Even CS in 2002 had 60-70k concurrent users. And it was way before it's prime.
On December 14 2013 21:25 shell wrote: lol i bet people that are complaining didn't like SC2 from the start.. what's your problem? Isn't BW alive and still kicking?
There is now a "PL" for BW and 1on1 leagues with your koreans gods of eSports.. just watch that and leave SC2 for the guys and players that embrace it!
I like PL and my biggest problem is that it misses the eSF teams.. i would rather have a joint league.. but they can't manage that!
what if your bet is wrong? You'd look like a complete idiot wouldn't you?
On December 14 2013 21:25 shell wrote: lol i bet people that are complaining didn't like SC2 from the start.. what's your problem? Isn't BW alive and still kicking?
There is now a "PL" for BW and 1on1 leagues with your koreans gods of eSports.. just watch that and leave SC2 for the guys and players that embrace it!
I like PL and my biggest problem is that it misses the eSF teams.. i would rather have a joint league.. but they can't manage that!
what if your bet is wrong? You'd look like a complete idiot wouldn't you?
Your statements make you look like one as well, so maybe you could be friends?
On December 14 2013 21:25 shell wrote: lol i bet people that are complaining didn't like SC2 from the start.. what's your problem? Isn't BW alive and still kicking?
There is now a "PL" for BW and 1on1 leagues with your koreans gods of eSports.. just watch that and leave SC2 for the guys and players that embrace it!
I like PL and my biggest problem is that it misses the eSF teams.. i would rather have a joint league.. but they can't manage that!
what if your bet is wrong? You'd look like a complete idiot wouldn't you?
Your statements make you look like one as well, so maybe you could be friends?
The possibility of showmatches with eSF or foreign teams sounds amazing for 2 reasons. 1) Well it sounds awesome and JAEDONGGGUUUUUUUU!!! 2) It seems to sound like we are moving ever so slightly closer to the ultimate unified team league we all dream about
Also this may seem stupid but do we know if English VODs will be free? If they are that would be even more amazing!
I'm surprised sk telecom is sponsoring one. Sc2 is pretty much obsolete in korean scene. With the recent rise in bw because of sonic, bw is much more popular than sc2. LoL is also hurting sc2 as well. I really have no hope for sc2 seriously and its pretty sad. When i go to afreeca there's not even a stream of sc2 while bw' sonic had like 50k viewers. Blizz please please shock the world with lotv
On December 15 2013 01:18 Shinokuki wrote: I'm surprised sk telecom is sponsoring one. Sc2 is pretty much obsolete in korean scene. With the recent rise in bw because of sonic, bw is much more popular than sc2. LoL is also hurting sc2 as well. I really have no hope for sc2 seriously and its pretty sad. When i go to afreeca there's not even a stream of sc2 while bw' sonic had like 50k viewers. Blizz please please shock the world with lotv
SKT is only sponsoring to justify their purchase of those superstar players on their team and to cement their stance as the "number 1 esport team". I was hoping that this wouldn't be sponsored by SKT as the past 3(THREE!) PL seasons were sponsored by SKT. This truly shows any sponsor's interest toward the scene.
On December 15 2013 01:18 Shinokuki wrote: I'm surprised sk telecom is sponsoring one. Sc2 is pretty much obsolete in korean scene. With the recent rise in bw because of sonic, bw is much more popular than sc2. LoL is also hurting sc2 as well. I really have no hope for sc2 seriously and its pretty sad. When i go to afreeca there's not even a stream of sc2 while bw' sonic had like 50k viewers. Blizz please please shock the world with lotv
It shouldn't be surprising really. Because they couldn't find an outside sponsor, they just relied on one of their own companies instead, and SK Telecom is definitely one of KeSPA's bigger sponsors with a big stake in their team considering how old and storied it is, not to mention it having the biggest fanbase out of any Korean team. It's completely expected for SK Telecom to be a last- ditch backup sponsor.
Bo5 is stupid as fuck, but I'll still tune in for the post-rounds, and also for the event matches. TBH, I don't think I have the PL fanaticism to tune in to each match when the scene is crowded with individual leagues, youtube casters, and personal streamers anyway - but I'll be tempted out for all the long-format matches.
On December 14 2013 20:12 opisska wrote: As someone who never really watched much Proleague in BW or SC2, the prizes strike me as very low. I am being told here that in comparison with other years of Proleague, they are not, but in comparison with individual tournaments, they are almost absurdly low - they are comparable to a standart Premium tournament, but it goes to the whole team and requires many month of participation. In the end, the amount of money paid out per player and time is almost irrelevant. The only reasonable reason to play in this is for the (both personal and sponsor) exposure. It will be great if it produces good games, but is it really sustainable in the current market?
It's been sustainable for a decade, why wouldn't it be sustainable now? It's a team league, the team owners (IE the sponsors) are the ones that matter and they get constant exposure for their team. It's like one big advertisement 3 times a week for half a year. It's more than worth it. To compare it to an individual league is silly. Vastly different things.
OMG, the team-rosters are like 10 players each at least (even Prime itself has enough players in the roster - not even counting Barbie there.. ) - why are the matches played in bo5 then ??
They could even try the 2v2 being the decider, though not quite sure how balanced the 2v2 is..
EDIT: LOL - a LoL caster is going to be the co-caster this time ?
I was just thinking. Op says the format is Bo5, but what kind of Bo5?
If it is like predetermined 5 vs predetermined 5, it is slightly less interesting for me then last year.
But if it is predetermined 4 vs predetermined 4 with 5th match being ace match, I feel it will be actually better for the viewers.
Sure, I mean less matches are almost never good, but think about it - most complains about Proleague last year was that there was too much PvP. Now if there are only 4 predetermined players, while every team has to play T, Z and P - for sure there will be more matchup variability...?
Also, higher possibility of better player meeting better player leading to epic matches. With a downside of not seeing too much rookies, probably.
On December 15 2013 07:10 Ammanas wrote: I was just thinking. Op says the format is Bo5, but what kind of Bo5?
If it is like predetermined 5 vs predetermined 5, it is slightly less interesting for me then last year.
But if it is predetermined 4 vs predetermined 4 with 5th match being ace match, I feel it will be actually better for the viewers.
Sure, I mean less matches are almost never good, but think about it - most complains about Proleague last year was that there was too much PvP. Now if there are only 4 predetermined players, while every team has to play T, Z and P - for sure there will be more matchup variability...?
And remember. Last year we normally had matches lasting 4 to 5 hours, and it is bad for viewers in a long tournament.
On December 15 2013 07:10 Ammanas wrote: I was just thinking. Op says the format is Bo5, but what kind of Bo5?
If it is like predetermined 5 vs predetermined 5, it is slightly less interesting for me then last year.
But if it is predetermined 4 vs predetermined 4 with 5th match being ace match, I feel it will be actually better for the viewers.
Sure, I mean less matches are almost never good, but think about it - most complains about Proleague last year was that there was too much PvP. Now if there are only 4 predetermined players, while every team has to play T, Z and P - for sure there will be more matchup variability...?
Also, higher possibility of better player meeting better player leading to epic matches. With a downside of not seeing too much rookies, probably.
I am assuming it's same format as last year except Bo5 instead of Bo7, so 4 predetermined with an ace match if needed.
Not sure I follow your argument as to why Bo5 is better than Bo7. What makes you think every team HAS TO play a P a T and a Z? Is this a Proleague rule I'm not aware of?
On December 15 2013 07:10 Ammanas wrote: I was just thinking. Op says the format is Bo5, but what kind of Bo5?
If it is like predetermined 5 vs predetermined 5, it is slightly less interesting for me then last year.
But if it is predetermined 4 vs predetermined 4 with 5th match being ace match, I feel it will be actually better for the viewers.
Sure, I mean less matches are almost never good, but think about it - most complains about Proleague last year was that there was too much PvP. Now if there are only 4 predetermined players, while every team has to play T, Z and P - for sure there will be more matchup variability...?
Also, higher possibility of better player meeting better player leading to epic matches. With a downside of not seeing too much rookies, probably.
I am assuming it's same format as last year except Bo5 instead of Bo7, so 4 predetermined with an ace match if needed.
Not sure I follow your argument as to why Bo5 is better than Bo7. What makes you think every team HAS TO play a P a T and a Z? Is this a Proleague rule I'm not aware of?
Yes. It is a rule in SPL, that every team needs to play one Z, P and T in every match.
And also what Taipoka mentioned above, while Proleague was seriously awesome and my favourite tournament, having playdays lasting 5-6 hours was pretty much standard and with 4 playdays every week, it was overwhelming at times.
If it really is 4v4 + ace, I personally seriously think that it is better then before, at least for a viewer. Only downside is not so many chances for rookies.
On December 15 2013 07:10 Ammanas wrote: I was just thinking. Op says the format is Bo5, but what kind of Bo5?
If it is like predetermined 5 vs predetermined 5, it is slightly less interesting for me then last year.
But if it is predetermined 4 vs predetermined 4 with 5th match being ace match, I feel it will be actually better for the viewers.
Sure, I mean less matches are almost never good, but think about it - most complains about Proleague last year was that there was too much PvP. Now if there are only 4 predetermined players, while every team has to play T, Z and P - for sure there will be more matchup variability...?
Also, higher possibility of better player meeting better player leading to epic matches. With a downside of not seeing too much rookies, probably.
I am assuming it's same format as last year except Bo5 instead of Bo7, so 4 predetermined with an ace match if needed.
Not sure I follow your argument as to why Bo5 is better than Bo7. What makes you think every team HAS TO play a P a T and a Z? Is this a Proleague rule I'm not aware of?
Yes. It is a rule in SPL, that every team needs to play one Z, P and T in every match.
And also what Taipoka mentioned above, while Proleague was seriously awesome and my favourite tournament, having playdays lasting 5-6 hours was pretty much standard and with 4 playdays every week, it was overwhelming at times.
If it really is 4v4 + ace, I personally seriously think that it is better then before, at least for a viewer. Only downside is not so many chances for rookies.
Cool, I didn't know that was an official "rule" as opposed to just something teams generally did. Then yeah, if that rule stays in place it does seem like we'll see more variety, which is nice. I wish they'd use a more balanced map pool though; as it is I still feel we'll very often see PvP on Yeonsu/BV, ZvZ on Star Station, etc.
On December 15 2013 08:11 IAmBelieve wrote: Don't understand this move... Wolf dosen't even play SC2, just LoL and some other side games.. T . T
Is that even true? I don't watch his stream (if he streams) but Wolf's been a P player for a long time. Even if he's stopped playing actively, I doubt it'll affect his casting in any way.
On December 15 2013 07:10 Ammanas wrote: I was just thinking. Op says the format is Bo5, but what kind of Bo5?
If it is like predetermined 5 vs predetermined 5, it is slightly less interesting for me then last year.
But if it is predetermined 4 vs predetermined 4 with 5th match being ace match, I feel it will be actually better for the viewers.
Sure, I mean less matches are almost never good, but think about it - most complains about Proleague last year was that there was too much PvP. Now if there are only 4 predetermined players, while every team has to play T, Z and P - for sure there will be more matchup variability...?
Also, higher possibility of better player meeting better player leading to epic matches. With a downside of not seeing too much rookies, probably.
Old bo5 format was not pre-revealed/determined, no ace
On December 15 2013 07:10 Ammanas wrote: I was just thinking. Op says the format is Bo5, but what kind of Bo5?
If it is like predetermined 5 vs predetermined 5, it is slightly less interesting for me then last year.
But if it is predetermined 4 vs predetermined 4 with 5th match being ace match, I feel it will be actually better for the viewers.
Sure, I mean less matches are almost never good, but think about it - most complains about Proleague last year was that there was too much PvP. Now if there are only 4 predetermined players, while every team has to play T, Z and P - for sure there will be more matchup variability...?
Also, higher possibility of better player meeting better player leading to epic matches. With a downside of not seeing too much rookies, probably.
Old bo5 format was not pre-revealed/determined, no ace
welp, someone should tell us what Bo5 format exactly it's gonna be then. IEG_Ghost, any comments? ^^
Oh well, let's stop caring about OGN. They were nice to us when SCBW was big in Korea. But they never cared like too much about SC2 and now they just abandon it. It's okay. Nice to see, PL is still continuing.
But this bo5 mess really needs to be fixed. Winning 3 games is just not enough for a team war. And if the lack of (good) players in Prime is the problem, just make a rule that one person can play twice... this won't help the rookies in the big teams, but at least will make the matches feel like a real thing.
On December 15 2013 21:19 Caladan wrote: Oh well, let's stop caring about OGN. They were nice to us when SCBW was big in Korea. But they never cared like too much about SC2 and now they just abandon it. It's okay. Nice to see, PL is still continuing.
But this bo5 mess really needs to be fixed. Winning 3 games is just not enough for a team war. And if the lack of (good) players in Prime is the problem, just make a rule that one person can play twice... this won't help the rookies in the big teams, but at least will make the matches feel like a real thing.
One person can play twice - in the ace match. Allowing a team's ace to play three times in one match, though? No thanks, it's weird enough in ATC which is an online team league with much lower stakes. It'd be really weird in Proleague.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
Don't want to be hating on SC2, I love watching the game, but have to correct you: Khaldor is also living in Korea and he has made a video explaining that SC2 is not that big in Korea and explaining the reasons behind this. Might be an interesting watch if you didn't already do so. Also, Artosis is at the moment going pro Hearthstone player, playing in tourneys, releasing vods, etc. I hope he doesn't abandon SC2 alltogether.
On December 15 2013 21:19 Caladan wrote: Oh well, let's stop caring about OGN. They were nice to us when SCBW was big in Korea. But they never cared like too much about SC2 and now they just abandon it. It's okay. Nice to see, PL is still continuing.
But this bo5 mess really needs to be fixed. Winning 3 games is just not enough for a team war. And if the lack of (good) players in Prime is the problem, just make a rule that one person can play twice... this won't help the rookies in the big teams, but at least will make the matches feel like a real thing.
One person can play twice - in the ace match. Allowing a team's ace to play three times in one match, though? No thanks, it's weird enough in ATC which is an online team league with much lower stakes. It'd be really weird in Proleague.
Oh, so they still have the ace match??? Okay, thx then, that's better than I thought.
On December 15 2013 21:19 Caladan wrote: Oh well, let's stop caring about OGN. They were nice to us when SCBW was big in Korea. But they never cared like too much about SC2 and now they just abandon it. It's okay. Nice to see, PL is still continuing.
But this bo5 mess really needs to be fixed. Winning 3 games is just not enough for a team war. And if the lack of (good) players in Prime is the problem, just make a rule that one person can play twice... this won't help the rookies in the big teams, but at least will make the matches feel like a real thing.
One person can play twice - in the ace match. Allowing a team's ace to play three times in one match, though? No thanks, it's weird enough in ATC which is an online team league with much lower stakes. It'd be really weird in Proleague.
Oh, so they still have the ace match??? Okay, thx then, that's better than I thought.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Not even a chance. Theres not a single sc2 stream in biggest stream site: afreeca. Months ago tere was macho sc2 league in afreeca but that faded away in oblivion. Sc2 cant even make top20 in pc room. Sorry to say this but sc2 is not big. Its doing literally horrible in korea. Typical koreans dont even know who taeja is. Koreans are still very nostalgic about bw.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Not even a chance. Theres not a single sc2 stream in biggest stream site: afreeca. Months ago tere was macho sc2 league in afreeca but that faded away in oblivion. Sc2 cant even make top20 in pc room. Sorry to say this but sc2 is not big. Its doing literally horrible in korea. Typical koreans dont even know who taeja is. Koreans are still very nostalgic about bw.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
Not a chance. Sc2 not even on afreeca( biggest streaming site in korea) and not even on top 20 in pc room. Many koreans dont even know taeja.
The matches will be at the " Nexon Gangnam studio ", so it won't be that little box that the SPOTV matches were in last season.
Also:
12:05 - Broadcasters: SPOTV Games, SPOTV2 will broadcast at the same time. Available in 8.5 million households with IPTV. SK B TV, LG U+, and OllehTV will broadcast (each telecom company's mobile channel). Also on NAver sports, Youtube, and TwitchTV.
Wow so it is on TV and will reach 8.5 million households.
Wow so it has the biggest prize pool in Proleague history.
Wow so it is being played in an E-sports Stadium and not a tiny box.
Not even a chance. Theres not a single sc2 stream in biggest stream site: afreeca. Months ago tere was macho sc2 league in afreeca but that faded away in oblivion. Sc2 cant even make top20 in pc room. Sorry to say this but sc2 is not big. Its doing literally horrible in korea. Typical koreans dont even know who taeja is. Koreans are still very nostalgic about bw.
Wow 95% of this thread is still bitching and moaning about this reveal.
I'm not a huge fan of Proleague or broodwar of the past, so perhaps that's allowing me to look at this data and information and come to rational conclusions here. This should be good news to be most people, yet it seems like the majority of posters here are on the verge of slitting their wrists over this. No idea what's happening. Friday the 13th?
you probably watch Fairy ads in awe. Wow i can wash my house in 2 minutes. Come again when 8.5 millions turn out to be 8k~ish of twitch online and the esport stadium is yet another 20 seats place.
People who want to rage will rage. I just read the information (also known as facts) and repeated it. Information, not conjecture. Excuse me if by stating facts I may have accidentally deflated your rage-boner.
your "facts" are: the name of the place contains Stadium - time to cheer in joy. Basically you've come to say "you are all so negative i'm way cooler than you". I doubt you even know what proleague used to be 3-5 years ago.
Please stop with the "DAE Brood War nostalgia?!?!?!?".
Really glad that Proleague was announced, psyched to watch it and for fantasy Proleague.
Good point. Accept that sc2 was never, is not and will never be a true esport like SC:BW was and will never be again. The true successor to BW is now lol and maybe dota. Sc2 is jes a small niche games market comparable to western viewerships. Small shady event organisers posing as esports squeezing no-return money from players and sponsors alike.
Gone are the days of competing against tennis etc. Now sc2 competition is counterstrike and tonnes of other new games that pop up every month. Expectations of sc2 were way too inflated. On hindsight, it was obvious sc2 was jes a game like any other and no way it could ever succeed BW as the esports.
I dont know, Artosis and Tastless, otherwise known as Tastosis: The Casting Archon, always mention in their casts how big SC2 has gotten in Korea and how Korea is the Mecca of eSports. I think that those two, WHO LIVE IN KOREA, would know that Korea is embracing SC2 as the true bonjwa successor to SCBW. Moreover, they even were around when SC1 was "popular" in Korea -- so they of all people should know what it's like to see an eSports game grow into a huge success.
Yeah, it's not like they were just trying to promote the game that pays their bills or anything. I scoffed every single time I'd hear Tasteless say, "you're watching the GSL, the greatest, most prestigious e-sports tournament in history." GSL couldn't hold a candle to the OSL.
BW was basically the 2nd biggest sport in Korea behind soccer. Flash was featured in a welcoming video for the G20 Summit a handful of years ago. SC2 never caught on, anyone living in Korea could tell you that. LoL is where the fans are now, which means it's where the money is now. Therefore it's no surprise that SC2 teams are folding, OGN is dropping Proleague, and Artosis is already looking for a new line of work. It's sad, but true. The only reason I even have the slightest interest in Proleague, is because of the Brood War players/teams I used to cheer for. I'm sure a lot of people are the same way.
Does anyone know if there'll be a fantasy proleague this time? And how many days ahead will it be avaliable? Last time had such a small signup window (was GSTL, but still) so I missed it. Got slightly depressed by it as well
Bit of a shame they went for Bo5 instead of Bo7. On the other hand, though: Wolf is casting! He is a serious boss, and I hope the LoL-co-caster can learn a thing or two from him, this should be better than last year's casters for sure.
If anyone's wondering who this Brendan Valdes guy is, his tag (at least in 2012) is 'Groople.' He was a man hired by Azubu for various things, like this video here:
Outside of Prime, the rest of the teams look like they have a deeper roster of players than they had in the past. Not to mention that Bo7 allows teams to develop rookies by using 1-2 games for them in a long series. On average, SC2 games are shorter than BW ones so that shouldn't be a problem.
On December 17 2013 21:44 Khai wrote: Bo7 would've been so much better, but the teams are so much smaller now I can't say I'm too surprised.
Why? I can only find good things about Bo5:
Less fatigue for a viewer/less oversaturation with SC2 content taking into account that all WCS will start still during SPL (as said earlier in the thread, playdays 6 hours long were common thing, which is really a lot, mainly considering 3 play days every week)
Less of PvProleague, considering lineups will only be 4 people and 1 of Z, P and T needs to be present
More chance of better players to meet leading to epic games
The only wrong thing is, that there will be less opportunities for rookies, mainly on stacked teams like SKT.
On December 17 2013 21:44 Khai wrote: Bo7 would've been so much better, but the teams are so much smaller now I can't say I'm too surprised.
Why? I can only find good things about Bo5:
Less fatigue for a viewer/less oversaturation with SC2 content taking into account that all WCS will start still during SPL (as said earlier in the thread, playdays 6 hours long were common thing, which is really a lot, mainly considering 3 play days every week)
Less of PvProleague, considering lineups will only be 4 people and 1 of Z, P and T needs to be present
More chance of better players to meet leading to epic games
The only wrong thing is, that there will be less opportunities for rookies, mainly on stacked teams like SKT.
I second the viewer experience thing. When i can watch 3 hours of tournament per day of work, it's easier to follow. I would constently fall behind while watching.
Do they still have the rule requiring each team to play at least one of each race in Proleague format matches? Kind of hard to see that happening with BO5. This might be the most PvProleague yet.
Broadcast times are still laughably shit for my timezone, but I don't expect them to change them, just like I don't expect any other event to. Slightly unfortuante but it's still VODS for me.
On December 18 2013 01:57 Sein wrote: Do they still have the rule requiring each team to play at least one of each race in Proleague format matches? Kind of hard to see that happening with BO5. This might be the most PvProleague yet.
Well, they didn't say they are getting rid of it, so yeah... But it is just assumptions, we do not know at this point (lichter's offseason grading article suggested it is no longer there, but he didn't say if it is a confirmed information or he just assumed/forgot about it).
Translation: Nexon stadium is 480m2 in size. It's smaller than OGN's 1289m2 stadium and a new DMC eSports stadium that's expected to be done in 2014, which is 10,024m2 in size. Although the Nexon stadium is smaller than OGN's stadium, due to the way its structured, it will probably seat just as many people as OGN's stadium. The C.G. picture is of the DMC eSports stadium.
SNM:
The CG isn't right. The photo provided in the news is the CG graphic of the new e-sports stadium that's being built in Sangam. This is completely different from the one that SPOTV is going to use for SPL. To provide more info on the SPL studio that I've seen from fb: It's located in the basement, but its two floors.
Me:
But the article is talking about the one that SPOTV will use for SPL, right? And the name of the SPL venue is "NEXON esports stadium" according to the news about SPL 2014: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=438328 So there are multiple ones, in both Gangnam and in Sangam?
SNM:
Yes, there are multiple ones being built from what I know. The one that SPL is going to use is going to be the NEXON arena in Gangnam. The CG rendering shown in the article is NOT the Gangnam NEXON arena. There's a different CG for the NEXON arena (not sure if I can share the photo)
Me:
Yeah you probably shouldn't share that. But is the one for SPL good? Like the size and setup compare to OGN's. What's the purpose of Nexon building so many different venues? There are like three of them. Two in Sangam and one in Gangnam.
SNM:
Nexon is only building one in Gangnam. This is for their games, especially the new FIFA ONLINE 3 league that they're holding (starting the day before SPL). Not sure if there are two being build in Sangam. AFAIK, the 'Arena' that was being "built" in Sangam is the one that's being built in Gangnam atm. I might be wrong though. The floor size itself is smaller than OGN, but much bigger than Sindorim. Keep in mind that it has a 2nd floor, which looks down on the first floor of the studio.
wow 4 times bigger? that's surprising. Is FIFA really popular? SC2 didn't exactly fill all of the seats last season in the smaller venue. Those are the only 2 games at this new venue right?
On December 22 2013 14:25 larse wrote: CG picture of the NEXON esports stadium, where SPL will be held (4 times the seats of OGN studio and a second stadium will be built? Need translation)
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