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On December 12 2013 06:20 MLG_Adam wrote:
I addressed this on the reddit thread on /r/starcraft.
We only endorse players that are attending MLG events for liability reasons. We cannot put our ability to help attain player visas for events we sanction in jeopardy. This is not an issue exclusive to Violet or to SC2 players, it applies to anyone: If we're not operationally liable for the event, we do not endorse visas.
Would submitting a letter explaining the legitimacy of competitive Starcraft and Violet's professional status within the game have made your requests for visas elsewhere denied? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed as if you weren't asked to request a visa for Violet, but rather to simply offer your support of CSA's quest to attain it.
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On December 12 2013 06:38 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:20 MLG_Adam wrote:
I addressed this on the reddit thread on /r/starcraft.
We only endorse players that are attending MLG events for liability reasons. We cannot put our ability to help attain player visas for events we sanction in jeopardy. This is not an issue exclusive to Violet or to SC2 players, it applies to anyone: If we're not operationally liable for the event, we do not endorse visas. Would submitting a letter explaining the legitimacy of competitive Starcraft and Violet's professional status within the game have made your requests for visas elsewhere denied? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed as if you weren't asked to request a visa for Violet, but rather to simply offer your support of CSA's quest to attain it.
Within the normal realm of realistic thinking, you're spot on and I agree. I don't think a letter of endorsement would be a bad thing as Violet is a great guy.
However, when protecting your company's interest you must gauge every possible scenario and 'what if'. What if he did something while he was here? What if he violated his visa somehow? If *something* happened MLG would not be liable for his actions, but our endorsement would definitely lead to scrutinization for future requests we would make.
I have personally handled player visas for 10 years and I know how finicky that process can be. I literally argued with immigration police for 3 hours once to get Hwanni out of detention in Detroit (Ask JP..he caused the fucking mess). We are VERY careful about how we deal with immigration and the visa process as a whole.
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wow, that's awesome! congrats violet!!
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I have personally handled player visas for 10 years and I know how finicky that process can be. I literally argued with immigration police for 3 hours once to get Hwanni out of detention in Detroit (Ask JP..he caused the fucking mess). We are VERY careful about how we deal with immigration and the visa process as a whole.
Hahahahhaa that was one of the best moments in my time at MLG. Sitting inside a hotel room listening to Adam speak to some immigration officer because of a random call that woke me up informing me that Hwanni was trying to enter the country. MLG may be careful about the process, but I had no idea! 
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I found that part of the article to be a bit one sided as well. Many companies won't write a letter of representation, including my firm. Even of the person is a current employee. And when people ask why, I tell them it is because we for burned badly. Like very badly. I was not shocked at all that MLG couldn't help. I am sure they would love to help, but it's to much risk for someone who isn't going to attend their event in the near future.
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On December 12 2013 06:44 MLG_Adam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:38 Yorkie wrote:On December 12 2013 06:20 MLG_Adam wrote:
I addressed this on the reddit thread on /r/starcraft.
We only endorse players that are attending MLG events for liability reasons. We cannot put our ability to help attain player visas for events we sanction in jeopardy. This is not an issue exclusive to Violet or to SC2 players, it applies to anyone: If we're not operationally liable for the event, we do not endorse visas. Would submitting a letter explaining the legitimacy of competitive Starcraft and Violet's professional status within the game have made your requests for visas elsewhere denied? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed as if you weren't asked to request a visa for Violet, but rather to simply offer your support of CSA's quest to attain it. Within the normal realm of realistic thinking, you're spot on and I agree. I don't think a letter of endorsement would be a bad thing as Violet is a great guy. However, when protecting your company's interest you must gauge every possible scenario and 'what if'. What if he did something while he was here? What if he violated his visa somehow? If *something* happened MLG would not be liable for his actions, but our endorsement would definitely lead to scrutinization for future requests we would make. I have personally handled player visas for 10 years and I know how finicky that process can be. I literally argued with immigration police for 3 hours once to get Hwanni out of detention in Detroit (Ask JP..he caused the fucking mess). We are VERY careful about how we deal with immigration and the visa process as a whole.
Yeah I'm not grabbing my torch and pitchfork or anything, and I understand the concern. It is much easier to forgive since he got his visa anyway. Would've been a little more upset if this thread was about him getting the boot back to Korea. It just seemed that (with a player you've endorsed before without incident who has been living here for some time without incident and just wants to study and play Starcraft for a living) an exception could have been made. However I have never been in your position with a whole company to think about nor do I have experience with the visa/immigration process so I'll just leave it at that.
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On December 12 2013 06:57 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:44 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 12 2013 06:38 Yorkie wrote:On December 12 2013 06:20 MLG_Adam wrote:
I addressed this on the reddit thread on /r/starcraft.
We only endorse players that are attending MLG events for liability reasons. We cannot put our ability to help attain player visas for events we sanction in jeopardy. This is not an issue exclusive to Violet or to SC2 players, it applies to anyone: If we're not operationally liable for the event, we do not endorse visas. Would submitting a letter explaining the legitimacy of competitive Starcraft and Violet's professional status within the game have made your requests for visas elsewhere denied? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed as if you weren't asked to request a visa for Violet, but rather to simply offer your support of CSA's quest to attain it. Within the normal realm of realistic thinking, you're spot on and I agree. I don't think a letter of endorsement would be a bad thing as Violet is a great guy. However, when protecting your company's interest you must gauge every possible scenario and 'what if'. What if he did something while he was here? What if he violated his visa somehow? If *something* happened MLG would not be liable for his actions, but our endorsement would definitely lead to scrutinization for future requests we would make. I have personally handled player visas for 10 years and I know how finicky that process can be. I literally argued with immigration police for 3 hours once to get Hwanni out of detention in Detroit (Ask JP..he caused the fucking mess). We are VERY careful about how we deal with immigration and the visa process as a whole. Yeah I'm not grabbing my torch and pitchfork or anything, and I understand the concern. It is much easier to forgive since he got his visa anyway. Would've been a little more upset if this thread was about him getting the boot back to Korea. It just seemed that (with a player you've endorsed before without incident who has been living here for some time without incident and just wants to study and play Starcraft for a living) an exception could have been made. However I have never been in your position with a whole company to think about nor do I have experience with the visa/immigration process so I'll just leave it at that.
Or just organize a 1v1 showmatch between Violet and yourself at your next event so you wouldn't set a precedent for making exceptions to your policy
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On December 12 2013 06:57 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 06:44 MLG_Adam wrote:On December 12 2013 06:38 Yorkie wrote:On December 12 2013 06:20 MLG_Adam wrote:
I addressed this on the reddit thread on /r/starcraft.
We only endorse players that are attending MLG events for liability reasons. We cannot put our ability to help attain player visas for events we sanction in jeopardy. This is not an issue exclusive to Violet or to SC2 players, it applies to anyone: If we're not operationally liable for the event, we do not endorse visas. Would submitting a letter explaining the legitimacy of competitive Starcraft and Violet's professional status within the game have made your requests for visas elsewhere denied? Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seemed as if you weren't asked to request a visa for Violet, but rather to simply offer your support of CSA's quest to attain it. Within the normal realm of realistic thinking, you're spot on and I agree. I don't think a letter of endorsement would be a bad thing as Violet is a great guy. However, when protecting your company's interest you must gauge every possible scenario and 'what if'. What if he did something while he was here? What if he violated his visa somehow? If *something* happened MLG would not be liable for his actions, but our endorsement would definitely lead to scrutinization for future requests we would make. I have personally handled player visas for 10 years and I know how finicky that process can be. I literally argued with immigration police for 3 hours once to get Hwanni out of detention in Detroit (Ask JP..he caused the fucking mess). We are VERY careful about how we deal with immigration and the visa process as a whole. Yeah I'm not grabbing my torch and pitchfork or anything, and I understand the concern. It is much easier to forgive since he got his visa anyway. Would've been a little more upset if this thread was about him getting the boot back to Korea. It just seemed that (with a player you've endorsed before without incident who has been living here for some time without incident and just wants to study and play Starcraft for a living) an exception could have been made. However I have never been in your position with a whole company to think about nor do I have experience with the visa/immigration process so I'll just leave it at that.
Like all business decisions, making exceptions is a bad road to start going down. If you help viOLet, wouldn't Polt deserve the same kind of help? And what if MC or MVP want the same leg-up? Pretty soon you're either accepting liability for several players who aren't directly related to your business, or you're giving unfair treatment to a single player and playing favouritism.
And while it may not seem like a big deal with helping players to get visas, imagine hypothetically if viOLet's first visa violation had occurred while he had been explicitly sponsored by a major tournament organization. US Immigration rules are a very, very thin line, and the last thing you want is to have them scrutinize you. viOLet very nearly blew his chances to come work in the US forever (and possibly even just travelling)...and the same kind of backlash can occur for a business that represented his travels.
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Very nice, Violet has worked really hard to get where he is, glad it worked out for him
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This is awesome. Congrats to violet, and pro-gamers everywhere!
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On December 12 2013 05:55 Alryk wrote:Love ViOlet :D Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:26 seoul_kiM wrote:On December 12 2013 04:50 Ctone23 wrote:On December 12 2013 04:45 seoul_kiM wrote:
Aren't all Texas schools second rate kind of except for Rice?
U of T Austin has a great law program though. Nice generalization. Yeah, here in Texas we ride horses to school (only attend school after herding cattle, number one priority) and our women chew tobacco. You might believe that I am ignorant, but you don't realize that your definition of second rate and mine might be completely different. I will admit that I am from the Northeast and you might make the generalization that I am an elitist pig. In my mind, I think there are top tier schools and then second rate schools even among your definition of a first rate school. It's not a long list at all: The Ivy League, MIT, CALTech, Berkeley, Duke, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins, Rice, Vanderbilt, Emory, UChicago, Northwestern, Wash U in St. Louis, Stanford, Williams, Swarthmore, Amherst. (excluding special schools like Juiliard) The schools that you are referring to might be good schools and even great schools in the local area but Nationally they are not as competitive. The school you are referring to does not exist in Texas. It's called Deep Springs College in California and it is super competitive with most of its alumni completing a two year program and attending the world's best universities. So yes, I know my shit. I'm not in high school, I'm not in college, I'm out of college and I work. Both Texas A&M (11) and the University of Texas at Austin (11) are ranked higher in engineering than Johns Hopkins (25), U Penn (22), Harvard (23), Princeton (17), and the majority of the others you listed who might not even make the list. MIT, Caltech, Berkely, and Stanford among the competing ones. And engineering is a big field, by the way. Don't know what you mean by second rate.
You left out U of I Urbana-Champaign T~T
haha I went there that's why gogo Fighting Illini!
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I'm curious if violet will go to the army or dodge it altogether. In our country people generally tend to look down upon people who don't go through the mandatory military service. Can anybody Korean tell if this is the case there as well?
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On December 12 2013 04:45 seoul_kiM wrote:
Aren't all Texas schools second rate kind of except for Rice?
U of T Austin has a great law program though.
Considering the Agency that pulled this feat off has two owners that are Texas A&M Alums... this is a pretty dumb statement.
Congrats viOlet! Glad you are coming back stateside man!
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On December 12 2013 07:53 sns3rsam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2013 05:55 Alryk wrote:Love ViOlet :D On December 12 2013 05:26 seoul_kiM wrote:On December 12 2013 04:50 Ctone23 wrote:On December 12 2013 04:45 seoul_kiM wrote:
Aren't all Texas schools second rate kind of except for Rice?
U of T Austin has a great law program though. Nice generalization. Yeah, here in Texas we ride horses to school (only attend school after herding cattle, number one priority) and our women chew tobacco. You might believe that I am ignorant, but you don't realize that your definition of second rate and mine might be completely different. I will admit that I am from the Northeast and you might make the generalization that I am an elitist pig. In my mind, I think there are top tier schools and then second rate schools even among your definition of a first rate school. It's not a long list at all: The Ivy League, MIT, CALTech, Berkeley, Duke, Georgetown, Johns Hopkins, Rice, Vanderbilt, Emory, UChicago, Northwestern, Wash U in St. Louis, Stanford, Williams, Swarthmore, Amherst. (excluding special schools like Juiliard) The schools that you are referring to might be good schools and even great schools in the local area but Nationally they are not as competitive. The school you are referring to does not exist in Texas. It's called Deep Springs College in California and it is super competitive with most of its alumni completing a two year program and attending the world's best universities. So yes, I know my shit. I'm not in high school, I'm not in college, I'm out of college and I work. Both Texas A&M (11) and the University of Texas at Austin (11) are ranked higher in engineering than Johns Hopkins (25), U Penn (22), Harvard (23), Princeton (17), and the majority of the others you listed who might not even make the list. MIT, Caltech, Berkely, and Stanford among the competing ones. And engineering is a big field, by the way. Don't know what you mean by second rate. You left out U of I Urbana-Champaign T~T haha I went there that's why gogo Fighting Illini!
I go to U of I right now, ahaha gogo Fighting Illini!!
Responding to the elitist pig above, you are ignorant if that is your definition of first and second rate. If you were out of high school and college and doing work in the field one would think you would be more knowledgeable about the different colleges around the country. Your portrayed understanding of top tier just reflects admission rates and the name value, rather than actual programs, professors, and major specific rankings. Its hard for me to comprehend how these can be the only relevant schools in the nation for you. I love how everyone always skips over our school when we are top 10 for almost all undergrad engineering majors
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On December 12 2013 06:47 itmeJP wrote:Show nested quote +I have personally handled player visas for 10 years and I know how finicky that process can be. I literally argued with immigration police for 3 hours once to get Hwanni out of detention in Detroit (Ask JP..he caused the fucking mess). We are VERY careful about how we deal with immigration and the visa process as a whole. Hahahahhaa that was one of the best moments in my time at MLG. Sitting inside a hotel room listening to Adam speak to some immigration officer because of a random call that woke me up informing me that Hwanni was trying to enter the country. MLG may be careful about the process, but I had no idea!
Is it to much to ask for a Real Talk with Adam about this story and other Visa nightmares? There are tons of folks who just love to here these behind the scenes stories and these sound pretty amusing.
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Good for violet and whatever posetive legal/contractual implications that this has, but...
athlete? really?
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go eSports lobbyists... dem eSports dollars at work!
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