EPTYes. I have no reason to think of stephano as a liar. I don't know why you have the need to do so.
Scarlett questions playing SC2 fulltime next year - Page 11
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ladysman09
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Yes. I have no reason to think of stephano as a liar. I don't know why you have the need to do so. | ||
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lystier
China877 Posts
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metroid composite
Canada231 Posts
On November 25 2013 22:26 aTnClouD wrote: Can't blame Scarlett. Sure zerg looks like the right race for a solid non korean very talented player to do well as she is doing or Stephano did, but it's also boring and stale to play, to the point you want to quit even if you are one of the most successful players ever. That's odd, I switched to zerg because I found it more fun. And look at TLO, a very creative player who switched to zerg years ago, obviously knows how to play multiple races, and still hasn't retired or switched races again? Wait...aTnClouD? Aren't you that retired Terran player...? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On November 26 2013 00:26 metroid composite wrote: That's odd, I switched to zerg because I found it more fun. And look at TLO, a very creative player who switched to zerg years ago, obviously knows how to play multiple races, and still hasn't retired or switched races again? Wait...aTnClouD? Aren't you that retired Terran player...? That's him | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On November 25 2013 23:25 ladysman09 wrote: Yes. I have no reason to think of stephano as a liar. I don't know why you have the need to do so. Lol? The reason to not believe him is the fact that he was so good. About this, well it was a good run. Hopefully Scarlett finds something more fulfilling to do. | ||
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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Swishy
Canada1 Post
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TaShadan
Germany1967 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25029 Posts
Await to see her next step with interest | ||
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arie3000
153 Posts
On November 25 2013 21:35 Thieving Magpie wrote: Speaking like 100% of the bigots I know in America. The "if you don't speak/act murican then gtfo my country" philosophy of seeing other human beings. WTF, I never said that I would force any pro player to learn English, I only said that if they cared about sc2 as an e-sport, with mostly an English-speaking following, they should consider learning some English. I never said that they shouldn't have a place in the sport, or that they should leave, I said that it would be better for SC2 if they'd learn some basic English communication. I'm fine with players not speaking English and only focusing on the game, I'm just saying that those do not really contribute to the growth of said game. If they want SC2 to be a big sport in Korea only, with Korean sponsors and Korean tournaments - fine with me, it is a free world where people have to make these calls for themselves. However, I would like the sc2 scene to stay international and to grow, and for that it would be good if at least a good proportion of the players would speak a little bit of English. Calling me a bigot b/c of these viewpoints is absolute and utter bollocks, I speak 2 languages fluently outside of my native one and have lived a substantial amount of years in other countries... Even my wife isn't from my country, nor speaks my native language. Look at this Red-Bull battleground - it was the first time that Parting did some trash talking in English, and he got a crowd reaction immediately - even when translated these kind of things don't really come across that well. And no, I didn't know before that Parting was a cocky kind of trash-talker... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25029 Posts
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On November 26 2013 01:13 Wombat_NI wrote: Can we PLEASE not continue derailing this thread into either discussions of transgendered issues or the 'faceless Korean' debate? This is the TL forums. Where meaningful discussion and rational thought come to die. Where have you been? | ||
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blackone
Germany1314 Posts
On November 26 2013 01:18 KrazyTrumpet wrote: This is the TL forums. Where meaningful discussion and rational thought come to die. Where have you been? Maybe I look in the wrong places, but could you show me some places with more meaningful discussion and rational thought for SC2? | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 26 2013 01:13 Wombat_NI wrote: Can we PLEASE not continue derailing this thread into either discussions of transgendered issues or the 'faceless Korean' debate? I thought it was blindingly obvious she is quitting starcraft forever and ever because a faceless korean made a transgender joke through a translator that robbed him of all personality? Or did I miss something? Anyway, speculation is pointless, either she is motivated or she is not, this game is draining in more ways than one and who knows, maybe she'll actually do better by not playing 10+ hours a day. Polt is doing great, studying full time and playing major tournaments. Some people can put their heads into the grind for years and years, others just end up with their spirit sapped, the thing that made them succeed in the first place. Scarlett has had an insane schedule for the last 16 months or so, it was never going to be sustainable in the long run, it's just like Bane said, either the body or the spirit breaks. I know about trying to do too much of everything at once, it just means you end up spread too thin. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25029 Posts
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B_Type13X2
Canada122 Posts
On November 25 2013 15:00 ETisME wrote: I don't know why you emphasis on Koreans then, it's the same for foreigners as well like I said, when was the last time you read an interview and think that korean protoss player is boring? I certainly can't recall any. Results should come before personality. If they aren't as good as sOs, dear etc, they won't even get a chance to have the exposure. Crazymoving for example was really interesting but what happened? he didn't reach high on tournaments and just disappeared from the scene. You won't even be able to watch the engaging/enjoyable games because he didn't reach far enough. Look at your example, MC, MKP, innovation are all top level players (or they once were). personality, achievements, playstyle and their history adds to their frame, not other way around. Everyone has their own uniqueness, it's just a matter if people appreciate it or not. OMG I used it as a turn of phrase and got jumped on for it by people trying to prove that I'm a bigot or a subconsciously racist. Its a common phrase around here to describe a Korean player who is highly skilled surrounded by other Korean players who are highly skilled so they get lost in the crowd. It means nothing else. At this point in time your nitpicking the hell out of a phrase in a sentence even after I agreed with you that foreigners can be just as faceless as Koreans. And frankly who the hell cares I never said all Korean players or even protoss in particular were boring nor did I allude to sOs, or dear or any of those players being boring in the first place. And you clearly didn't read what I said because Innovation is a terrible example of a player with a personality because as I stated, take away his world championship and what your left with is a player who is robotic in their execution and robotic in their personality. That's in stark contrast to MKP and MC who are colorful, who do or did creative things, show a sense of humor, and in MKP's case a profound sadness when he loses. That's identifiable and why I loved watching him play. I get no joy out of Innovation's play because it feels so synthetic, its like a very good computer is playing against a person. And in innovation's defense he has given a few interviews where he counters this and says its part of his composure fair enough but its more enjoyable for me the viewer to root for the person playing against innovation because of those things. On November 25 2013 17:35 TRaFFiC wrote: Look man, what is all boils down to is everyone of your posts in this thread is negative. You're commenting on who she is rather than what she does. Nobody told you that you have to love Scarlett, but coming into her thread and saying she only gets attention because she's trans and her results are mediocre is just spreading false information/hate. Everyone of your posts confirms my suspicion that you're a bigot. You don't seem to have educated yourself on Scarlett's results so here. http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/hots/players/4571_Scarlett/main/display-all-leagues She's beaten several Korean champions recently including MMA and Maru. All this while spending the majority of her sc2 career playing from home on NA server. If you bothered to read the interview, she says her tendon issues are so bad she uses 2 alternating fingers to press her mouse buttons. That makes her accomplishments even more incredible. I'm going to respond to this piece by piece. My very first post in this thread was not negative towards Scarlett it was just stating that Scarlett's departure would hurt her mega fans but ultimately the community as a whole would move on in a month or so. Nothing negative there, my next response was in defense of another user who said she gets much more attention because of the Trans thing. Which like it or not is somewhat true, go to the first page of this very thread and there's reference to the 2gd incident. Like it or not if your the only _____ in any scene you garner more attention for it whether it be negative or positive stating that doesn't make you a bigot. I'm a bilateral amputee missing both of my legs below my knee's I work as a welder. Do you know how many legless welders there are currently working in North America? The answer to that is less then 10. Now what the hell does that have to do with Scarlett? Well do you know how people describe me? They say, "Oh yeah I've worked with _____ he's the guy without legs right?" That instantly gets me much more attention then I like to get however I don't make a big deal about people identifying me that way. And neither do my friends because its a true statement I am a legless welder and that makes me unique. Scarlett is a transgendered player boom true statement, that makes her unique boom true statement. What's hateful about saying it? And for the record, I didn't even know Scarlett was transgendered until about 4 months back because Scarlett played zerg and I honestly don't follow zerg players, other then say Stephano who was entertaining outside of the game. Next point my comment on what she does is she is mediocre, skilled but mediocre when compared to her Korean contemporaries. And her results as of late good as they are back this up, because Scarlett has yet to take that next big step and win something major. Further I have the same opinion of Naniwa because he has yet to do the same thing. Again this is a matter of opinion on my part but I believe that the defining characteristic of what takes a player from mediocre to great is that one big tournament win in which Scarlett is still hunting for. Next on the list I don't really care what Korean champions she beat recently because she failed to finish the job. Beating champions in a tournament didn't translate to the most important thing winning the tournament. MMA, and Maru have won the whole damn thing before, and they are still constantly in the hunt so I do regard them more highly then Scarlett because they were able to put all those strong performances together into that big win. If and when Scarlett does finally put it all together I will say she is a great player until then she is a strong player, definitely top level but there are so many top level players on the same level as Scarlett that when you compare her to other players in tournament brackets that I have to say she isn't better then them, that she doesn't stand out from the crowd, so she is mediocre when compared to her peers. I don't understand how this is an unfair statement because again I don't make the distinction between foreigner or korean they are simply SC2 players. As for Scarlett's tendon issues, MVP has similar issues as does TaeJa they keep playing and its not really used as an excuse as to why they can't win X Y or Z. If Scarlett truly believes that the tendon issues have gotten so bad as to limit her ability to play the game then now's the time to stop before it adversely effects everything else in Scarlett's life. I'll put it this way, my favorite MMA fighter of all time is Mauricio "shogun" Rua for a long time when he lost his fans would say, "Bad knee's" or make some other excuse for it. I was guilty of doing that but eventually I realized that Shogun chose to be a fighter for a living and he chooses to fight with a body that has suffered alot of damage. He goes into the cage every time knowing his body isn't quite there and he's lost more then he's won over the past 3 years. I love watching him fight but I know he should stop, however he keeps doing it so I can't make that excuse for him. And frankly neither you nor Scarlett should make that statement as it shows a profound disrespect for her opponents. It's a built in excuse for losing, and we don't see TaeJa or MVP saying things like that. What it implies is, "Yeah you beat me because I have a bum _____ if my _____ was better I'd totally kick your ass." And I am fully aware of how harsh that statement is, but I am sick of players and athletes who choose to play with injuries/ jet lag/ personal issues using statements like that as a crutch. You win or you lose as soon as you make the choice to play XYZ circumstance goes out the window because you've made the conscious choice by picking up your keyboard / mouse to play that that is not a serious enough issue to stop you from playing today EVEN IF IT SHOULD. Finally when I opened this thread the other day I didn't intend on getting into a discussion about a players lifestyle as my first post in this thread should allude to. I opened it up because I was curious if we were seeing another player that could achieve so much more like Stephano could have was about to retire. Given Scarlett's recent tweets I don't think we have to worry about that. But if she were to retire, the scene would survive and we'd find another foreigner hope rinse and repeat. I stand by my assertion that I have yet to say anything in this thread that is outright bigotry/ hate speech towards Scarlett's lifestyle. Proof of that is the very good moderators on this site haven't warned me or banned me for any of it as of yet. If I was truly being hateful and malicious in that regard I would be taking a trip to disneyland right now. And if I were to meet Scarlett tomorrow I would show her the most amount of respect as a person who knows what its like to be discriminated against. I'm a bilateral amputee, I have been denied jobs, publicly stared at, maliciously teased throughout school, and utterly humiliated. I get it, better then most, be careful who you go around calling a bigot. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On November 26 2013 01:29 Wombat_NI wrote: By all means have the transgender discussion if Scarlett had said that prejudice was a contributory factor in her disliking SC2. Then it's pretty much obligatory to go on that tangent, but as she has made no mention of it I see it as irrelevant. In case you were responding to me, I was making a joke, albeit a poor one. | ||
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GoldforGolden
China102 Posts
you can't just take away one's championships and then judge him. that's like taking away obama's presidency and judge him as another guy with a good public speech talent. innovation has close to perfect robotic play with an extremely high raw skill, with a matching robotic personality, how is that not interesting? Even without his achievements, his raw skill and his personality would have attracted tonnes of fans as well. look at the top 20 WCS point list, who is a faceless pro? Nobody. Everyone has unique personalities and fans. why? because they performed well and fans know them since they always reach high in tournaments and people know them more than the others. they didn't need to be like MC or MKP to be popular, they just need to be themselves, a good player and people will follow/get to know them more. | ||
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renaissanceMAN
United States1840 Posts
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hahablahblah
11 Posts
thanks. User was banned for this post. | ||
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