EPTScarlett questions playing SC2 fulltime next year - Page 10
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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rezzan
Sweden329 Posts
the only non-korean that shouldnt retire would be naniwa. sure its cool to call yourself "pro" but 99% of non korean pro gamers arent wining anything since like 2 years back. starcraft is a korean scene, and the only one whos winning is NAniwa. | ||
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Haku
Germany550 Posts
Scarlett @AcerScarlett & Thanks everyone for watching and the support  @redbullEsports hosts great tournaments ! I'll make sure to be back next yearI am confused, this tweet seems like she will keep going to be competitive. Can she do that not fulltime? | ||
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Daswollvieh
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Helios.Star
United States548 Posts
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arie3000
153 Posts
On November 25 2013 20:37 rezzan wrote: well im not surprised. the only non-korean that shouldnt retire would be naniwa. sure its cool to call yourself "pro" but 99% of non korean pro gamers arent wining anything since like 2 years back. starcraft is a korean scene, and the only one whos winning is NAniwa. You can also make money by not winning, but consistently making it to RO8s of high-level tournaments. There are plenty of professional football (soccer) players who have never won (the local equivalent) of a Premier league title, or an FA cup, let alone have won a Euro- or Champions league. We do consider those 'professional' players, since they make their money with playing football. | ||
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arie3000
153 Posts
On November 25 2013 16:08 glzElectromaster wrote: I find it hilarious when people scream FACELESS KOREAN when they're probably not faceless in Korea. Not everyone speaks, or has to speak English, you know. Well, 'faceless' is quite a subjective term, so it's a little bit pointless to say x, y or z isn't faceless, just because you know them better or understand their language. Many people I walk past on the street are faceless (to me), but I guess that'd change if I talked to them. Fact is, a large proportion of the SC2 fan base (and thus a large premise of 'e-sports') is based in the EU and NA, and has adopted English as The Chosen Language For Communication. If players want to contribute to the growth of this fanbase, and connect with the people actually watching and supporting them, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for players to speak a little bit of English. MC is incredibly funny, and has the most amazing humor, and he was criticizing players for not speaking English... | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On November 25 2013 21:22 arie3000 wrote: Well, 'faceless' is quite a subjective term, so it's a little bit pointless to say x, y or z isn't faceless, just because you know them better or understand their language. Many people I walk past on the street are faceless (to me), but I guess that'd change if I talked to them. Fact is, a large proportion of the SC2 fan base (and thus a large premise of 'e-sports') is based in the EU and NA, and has adopted English as The Chosen Language For Communication. If players want to contribute to the growth of this fanbase, and connect with the people actually watching and supporting them, I don't think it is unreasonable to ask for players to speak a little bit of English. MC is incredibly funny, and has the most amazing humor, and he was criticizing players for not speaking English... Speaking like 100% of the bigots I know in America. The "if you don't speak/act murican then gtfo my country" philosophy of seeing other human beings. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12134 Posts
On November 24 2013 05:03 Grollicus wrote: She should look into casting, hers was really good at HSC I really hope that she won't. One of the reason I don't like her is her voice. The same was for Fuzer(I think) at the HSC last year. And I'm really surprised I actually like "Helium Dracula" Nightend(? I'm really bad at remembering names). And yes, I don't understand why, it's just feelings, you can't change them. Also she's zerg, not helping her very much. STill it would be a big loss to sc2 scene. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On November 25 2013 20:39 EXRNaRa wrote: I am confused, this tweet seems like she will keep going to be competitive. Can she do that not fulltime? That is very polt of her. | ||
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
On November 25 2013 21:35 Thieving Magpie wrote: Speaking like 100% of the bigots I know in America. The "if you don't speak/act murican then gtfo my country" philosophy of seeing other human beings. If a top tier player speaks a language I don't understand, and follows customs I am unfamilliar with, I find them unrelateable. It's why I don't root for Hyun, SoS, or Parting. I simply have no idea what kind of person they are because so much of their personality is lost in translation so they become faceless. Wheras someone like MC speaks english and is able to communicate his bad-assery. Even someone like DuckDeok who deosn't speak english show enough displays of emotion to make themselves relateable. When rooting for players I consider these two Koreans on the same level as any foreigner for fan favorites. When someone is detatched from your culture (mostly language) I find it incredibly difficult to relate and sympathize with that person because there is so much going on I don't understand. I mean there are basic human things like love, death, joy, and sorrow that usually break boundaries, but when I can't recognize any of those even when I really try to they look like a faceless person to me. You could make the arguement that the fans should learn Korean but that isn't really reasonable considering it is the fans that drive the ROI for the tournaments. And convincing the fans to learn korean you lay down the requirement that as a Starcaft fan you probably have to learn Korean if you want to get the full depth and relateability of the character. Wheras it should be the requirement to be a popular player you need to speak english. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
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GoldforGolden
China102 Posts
On November 25 2013 22:12 red_hq wrote: If a top tier player speaks a language I don't understand, and follows customs I am unfamilliar with, I find them unrelateable. It's why I don't root for Hyun, SoS, or Parting. I simply have no idea what kind of person they are because so much of their personality is lost in translation so they become faceless. Wheras someone like MC speaks english and is able to communicate his bad-assery. Even someone like DuckDeok who deosn't speak english show enough displays of emotion to make themselves relateable. When rooting for players I consider these two Koreans on the same level as any foreigner for fan favorites. When someone is detatched from your culture (mostly language) I find it incredibly difficult to relate and sympathize with that person because there is so much going on I don't understand. I mean there are basic human things like love, death, joy, and sorrow that usually break boundaries, but when I can't recognize any of those even when I really try to they look like a faceless person to me. You could make the arguement that the fans should learn Korean but that isn't really reasonable considering it is the fans that drive the ROI for the tournaments. And convincing the fans to learn korean you lay down the requirement that as a Starcaft fan you probably have to learn Korean if you want to get the full depth and relateability of the character. Wheras it should be the requirement to be a popular player you need to speak english. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415640 Who, other than nestea 2nd and 3rd win (lol too easy for him), doesn't show a damn happy face when they win? how can you say something as naive as "they look like a faceless person to me"?? Or are you saying you honestly can't tell their emotions and differentiate them from one and another because they are koreans/asians? I think it shows more of a problem of you not having a broad experience in the world rather than blaming the koreans not able to speak english. How can you not know Parting personality when he has pretty much one of the most cocky attitude in Korean pro scene and shows it pretty clearly in almost every single interviews we got. you talk about some emotions and personality in interviews being lost in translation yet you would prefer them to speak basic English. You are not identifying them because you are understanding them more, you are identifying them as a pro who can speak English. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36161 Posts
On November 25 2013 11:37 Doodsmack wrote: And the whole argument that there are "faceless" Koreans is only valid if you also admit there are faceless foreigners who are just as common among foreign players as faceless Koreans are among Korean players. So you'd be better off saying "faceless player" rather than Korean because otherwise there's an implication that you think it applies to Koreans more than others. Since it's so dangerously close to the old racist idea that all Asians look alike, it's reasonable to conclude you have some subconscious racism at work if you think more Koreans are faceless than foreigners are. I see it in the opposite light really. "Faceless Korean" has historically in SC2 normally even been "Faceless Korean Terran". And it *does* apply to Koreans more than foreigners. Why? Because there are so many really, really skilled Koreans. Without specific exposure to each player / a player speaking english / whatever reason, it's not that easy to relate to a specific player. Whereas if a foreign player had this level of skill (say high Code A, low Code S, even mid Code S?) they'd instantly be venerated. What "Faceless Korean" means then is a super-skilled player in a large pool of super-skilled players, such that skill alone doesn't elevate them above their peers (like it does anywhere outside Korea). Dunno why people have to paint it in a racist light at all, when the implication to me is quite the other way round. | ||
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Moonsalt
267 Posts
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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xrayEU
Sweden571 Posts
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red_hq
Canada450 Posts
On November 25 2013 22:31 GoldforGolden wrote: Of course most of them show a happy face. I just never feel connected to them in any meaningful way. Look he just won that tournament, of course he's happy. I don't feel any connection there because to me they look like a faceless person, albeit a happy faceless person.http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=415640 Who, other than nestea 2nd and 3rd win (lol too easy for him), doesn't show a damn happy face when they win? how can you say something as naive as "they look like a faceless person to me"?? On November 25 2013 22:31 GoldforGolden wrote: There are faceless foriegners too and I bet even if some of the korean pros learned english they would still be faceles just on merit of personality.Or are you saying you honestly can't tell their emotions and differentiate them from one and another because they are koreans/asians? I think it shows more of a problem of you not having a broad experience in the world rather than blaming the koreans not able to speak english. On November 25 2013 22:31 GoldforGolden wrote: I really was just listing random Korean players I don't root for there so Parting slipping in there is a mistake. And yes, I would rather have basic english than fluent translation because then the player can directly communicate about themselves rather than a second hand experience. I always find the translations to be flat and dulled wheras even with MC's basic english I find it to be a lot more vibrant and entertaining. It's like when your friend retells a joke from a comedian, it's never as funny. If more Korean pros were able to speak english it would be easier to differentiate the stale flat personalities from the personality icons, we have an idea from the translations but there is a huge oportuinity for the korean players to increase their fanbase by learning english. How can you not know Parting personality when he has pretty much one of the most cocky attitude in Korean pro scene and shows it pretty clearly in almost every single interviews we got. you talk about some emotions and personality in interviews being lost in translation yet you would prefer them to speak basic English. You are not identifying them because you are understanding them more, you are identifying them as a pro who can speak English. Just to be clear I'm not complaining about the faceless Korean thing, I don't mind that someone who I'm not rooting for wins. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
LOL. The only faceless person here is the bum on a message boards calling koreans sc2 pros faceless lol. | ||
Shellshock
United States97277 Posts
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