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triforks
Profile Joined November 2010
United States370 Posts
November 21 2013 00:15 GMT
#181
nice the way higher prize money for korea should encourage koreans to go back there in hopes of more cash rather than stealing the easy money in am/eu when it was the same.
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12060 Posts
November 21 2013 00:16 GMT
#182
On November 21 2013 09:12 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 09:08 Plansix wrote:
Ok, I like this region locking where the only way for the NA players to get a residential league is to knock out the Korea players. If you want them out of your region, you must evict them through force.......of starcraft.


But really, the rate at which Koreans drop out of WCS NA by losing or retiring isn't going to be more than the rate of Koreans entering WCS NA. (2 per season)

It's still going to be WCS KR 2, Blizzard just threw Challenger League spots at foreigners out of pity.


Could you describe to me a system where we instantly get less koreans than the system they have chosen, but that in the same time can't be characterized as "out of pity"?
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
Bowzar
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden741 Posts
November 21 2013 00:16 GMT
#183
Does Korean teams want extremly top heavy prize money? I feel like they should be pissed about this.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 21 2013 00:16 GMT
#184
On November 21 2013 09:15 triforks wrote:
nice the way higher prize money for korea should encourage koreans to go back there in hopes of more cash rather than stealing the easy money in am/eu when it was the same.


It is only more money for the winner..
iShareCrops
Profile Joined August 2011
United States12 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 00:17:20
November 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#185
The overall prize pool in Korea is higher than America and Europe as an acknowledgment of the higher level of competition in the region


WOW FUCKING RACIST SHITBAGS

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Sherlock117
Profile Joined April 2013
United States40 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 00:19:24
November 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#186
On November 21 2013 09:12 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 09:08 Plansix wrote:
Ok, I like this region locking where the only way for the NA players to get a residential league is to knock out the Korea players. If you want them out of your region, you must evict them through force.......of starcraft.


But really, the rate at which Koreans drop out of WCS NA by losing or retiring isn't going to be more than the rate of Koreans entering WCS NA. (2 per season).


Do you really think there won't be 2 Koreans losing a season in challenger league? I would go with an over/under of 2 Koreans losing in challenger per season actually...and then there may also be a few who decide to switch regions.
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
November 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#187
Same prize money across all regions yet Code S players have the hardest time, and have to advance from Code A which is even more grueling to get into.
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Cheren
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States2911 Posts
November 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#188
On November 21 2013 09:16 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 09:12 Cheren wrote:
On November 21 2013 09:08 Plansix wrote:
Ok, I like this region locking where the only way for the NA players to get a residential league is to knock out the Korea players. If you want them out of your region, you must evict them through force.......of starcraft.


But really, the rate at which Koreans drop out of WCS NA by losing or retiring isn't going to be more than the rate of Koreans entering WCS NA. (2 per season)

It's still going to be WCS KR 2, Blizzard just threw Challenger League spots at foreigners out of pity.


Could you describe to me a system where we instantly get less koreans than the system they have chosen, but that in the same time can't be characterized as "out of pity"?


I re-read it and the biggest change actually seems to be global finals gone. And no, they had a really good system in 2013, they just needed to keep it and trick people into thinking they were changing it, and it looks like they succeeded.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
November 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#189
On November 21 2013 09:12 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 09:08 Plansix wrote:
Ok, I like this region locking where the only way for the NA players to get a residential league is to knock out the Korea players. If you want them out of your region, you must evict them through force.......of starcraft.


But really, the rate at which Koreans drop out of WCS NA by losing or retiring isn't going to be more than the rate of Koreans entering WCS NA. (2 per season)

It's still going to be WCS KR 2, Blizzard just threw Challenger League spots at foreigners out of pity.

EU players were winning most of the WCS EU qualifiers lately too, so that hasn't changed either. Really the only meaningful change is that GSL prize pool has tripled. (but only for 1st place, everyone else gets the same) So unless you win GSL, WCS 2014 is exactly the same as WCS 2013.


Except there is no season finals... Which means the top players will earn less (except Code S winner).
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
November 21 2013 00:17 GMT
#190
Sorry if my reading comprehension is a fail here but will there be WCS global finals for each of the three seasons, or just at year-end?
Iceman331
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1306 Posts
November 21 2013 00:18 GMT
#191
Ugh, why are you restricting the map pool for partner events... Terrible idea.
Steins;Gate
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
1422 Posts
November 21 2013 00:18 GMT
#192
So glad they're removing the season finals, they awarded waaay too many points. Think the overall changes are good.
+ wow, ~70 cdn for first place
" Perhaps it's impossible to wear an identity without becoming what you pretend to be. "
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
November 21 2013 00:18 GMT
#193
On November 21 2013 09:16 Bowzar wrote:
Does Korean teams want extremly top heavy prize money? I feel like they should be pissed about this.

We don't know who decided to divide up the prize money like that. I am sure Mr. Chea and Gom had some input as to how it would be handed out.
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7028 Posts
November 21 2013 00:19 GMT
#194
So now WCS AM and WCS EU are going to become even easier for the few Koreans that are in there currently?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
November 21 2013 00:19 GMT
#195
What I like is that a player who reaches RO16 can't be out of WCS anymore. It was a thing that I found ridiculous this year. In Korea you have to win only 1 series (either in Code S or in Code A) to stay in GSL. While in WCS AM/EU, even after winning 2 or 3 series, you could be out of the entire system.
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
AceOfCakez
Profile Joined August 2012
United States72 Posts
November 21 2013 00:21 GMT
#196
Still confusing, but I'm gonna watch it anyway. Looking forward to Legacy of the Void.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 21 2013 00:22 GMT
#197
On November 21 2013 09:18 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 09:16 Bowzar wrote:
Does Korean teams want extremly top heavy prize money? I feel like they should be pissed about this.

We don't know who decided to divide up the prize money like that. I am sure Mr. Chea and Gom had some input as to how it would be handed out.


Yeah I think Mr. Chae is a good guess. I also don't like it, but that's their thing.

Hayder Hussein ‏@LiquidHayprO 10m
70k won for 1st place and 15k won for 2nd place is insane for gsl.

Jungwon Chae ‏@GSL_Chae 3m
@LiquidHayprO Come to Korea! And take it!!
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Sherlock117
Profile Joined April 2013
United States40 Posts
November 21 2013 00:22 GMT
#198
On November 21 2013 09:19 Grumbels wrote:
So now WCS AM and WCS EU are going to become even easier for the few Koreans that are in there currently?


Maybe for a while. Hopefully in the long run this system will motivate people to train harder and allow more people to break out and play at the level of Koreans. Time will tell...but I think this is the correct direction.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-21 00:27:02
November 21 2013 00:22 GMT
#199
This looks great to me. Challenger will be much easier to watch. No more everyday broadcast. Also everyone who qualifies for challenger gets $600. That's a lot better than last year.

I wonder how much effect the partial regionlock will have. Foreigners still have to beat the koreans in a bo5 to make them go back home .

GSL with big prize is how it should be. Also no more piggyback broadcasts.
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Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12060 Posts
November 21 2013 00:23 GMT
#200
On November 21 2013 09:17 Cheren wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2013 09:16 Nebuchad wrote:
On November 21 2013 09:12 Cheren wrote:
On November 21 2013 09:08 Plansix wrote:
Ok, I like this region locking where the only way for the NA players to get a residential league is to knock out the Korea players. If you want them out of your region, you must evict them through force.......of starcraft.


But really, the rate at which Koreans drop out of WCS NA by losing or retiring isn't going to be more than the rate of Koreans entering WCS NA. (2 per season)

It's still going to be WCS KR 2, Blizzard just threw Challenger League spots at foreigners out of pity.


Could you describe to me a system where we instantly get less koreans than the system they have chosen, but that in the same time can't be characterized as "out of pity"?


I re-read it and the biggest change actually seems to be global finals gone. And no, they had a really good system in 2013, they just needed to keep it and trick people into thinking they were changing it, and it looks like they succeeded.


They have addressed every sane critic about the 'no region lock' system.

- No need for foreign players to participate in ladder to qualify.
- No exposure at all for the players who can't make it to Premier League.
- No money for the foreign scenes.
- No incentive for not-top-tier koreans to play in WCS Kr.

In order to criticize the new system, you have to go to the 'insane critic' part:
- I don't like koreans, they don't have faces / personalities.
- I can't relate to koreans, because they don't live in the same part of the world as me.

So yeah, most people are happy. It's not a trick, it's just that most people aren't insane.
"It is capitalism that is incentivizing me to lazily explain this to you while at work because I am not rewarded for generating additional value."
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