EPTThere is No Best in the World - WCS Aftermath - Page 2
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11cc
Finland561 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:09 Pandain wrote: This he is the best player in the world. He fell to Jaedong, but he went head to head in straight up games while sOs did more mindgames. See his game vs Whirlwhind and how he controls, it's beautiful. But I will agree right now that we have a vacant definitive throne uncharacteristic of the scene right now. But still the best player right now is Dear. | ||
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JJH777
United States4420 Posts
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1Dhalism
862 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:10 DJHelium wrote: http://aligulac.com/players/48/results/?after=&before=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=Filter 75% match win rate vs koreans is SICK by an inch or a mile. when ure naming the best in the world winrate is irrelevant. we've known plenty of proleague heros who've made a minimum impact outside of it in BW. On November 14 2013 09:13 Lorch wrote: @1Dhalism: He basically won season 1 kr (that one game difference doesn't matter much to me, he literally needed to just build a tank 3 out of the 4 he lost) and the season 1 finals + his proleague performance was insane. That's just fanboyism. Winning is the only thing that matters. Innovation is a great player, one of the best. But dominating he was not. Not to the extent of MVP/nestea/mc and all the rest of them. | ||
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Greendotz
United Kingdom2053 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3703 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:20 1Dhalism wrote: by an inch or a mile. when ure naming the best in the world winrate is irrelevant. That's just fanboyism. Winning is the only thing that matters. Innovation is a great player, one of the best. But dominating he was not. Not to the extent of MVP/nestea/mc and all the rest of them. I don't even like innovation much. To you winning may be the only thing that matters. To me there is no difference in how I look upon soulkey and innovation from that tournament. They both had a fantastic run, dominating their competition. Just because there is a one game difference between them doesn't mean, to me, that soulkeys performance should be valued higher. Of course he wasn't as dominant as the only player to win a code s without dropping a map, or the only guy to win 4 gsls or the highest winner in sc2 history. But that doesn't mean that he wasn't, without a doubt, the best player in the world from hots release to wcs korea season 2. | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32754 Posts
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Oddball28
Denmark2121 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:20 1Dhalism wrote: by an inch or a mile. when ure naming the best in the world winrate is irrelevant. That's just fanboyism. Winning is the only thing that matters. Innovation is a great player, one of the best. But dominating he was not. Not to the extent of MVP/nestea/mc and all the rest of them. Thats just a fight of words, it all comes down to how you interpret the word "Dominance/Dominating". Is it domination when a player is consistently number 1 through a period of time or is it in the manor he wins his games? Because, if you watched, which I did and several others, the way Innovation absolutely crushed his competition pre Hellbat nerf, then you wouldn't hesitate to call him a dominant factor. He crumbled against Soulkey being ahead 3-0 in the Season 1 Finals at WCS Korea, but also showcased some absolutely stunning gameplay during that period, which also led him to win the Season 1 Global Finals. And all during this time, he was also maintaining a very very high win ratio in Proleague, only bested by Flash, as I recall, could be wrong on that one. So honestly, saying he wasn't dominant isn't very befitting if you ask me. | ||
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SiguR
Canada2039 Posts
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dinosrwar
1290 Posts
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Shady Sands
United States4021 Posts
This is the same wax who denied Flash a bonjwa crown even after Flash won everything and was admitted bonjwa by the Korean casters themselves. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16125 Posts
Me too. Fuck! | ||
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Jolo
Canada70 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:28 SiguR wrote: The title and timing of this article is such a slap in the face to sOs. Come on. I disagree. No one is doubting sOs played extremely well at blizzcon, but he hasn't demonstrated that consistency needed to be called the best in the world. Dear was very close to achieving that but fell just short. I'm inclined to agree with the article (for now) that we can't call anyone the absolute best in the world | ||
Waxangel
United States33662 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:30 Shady Sands wrote: This is the same wax who denied Flash a bonjwa crown even after Flash won everything and was admitted bonjwa by the Korean casters themselves. bitch, please http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=154423#three | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:29 dinosrwar wrote: Power Rank plzzzz :3 1. Dear 2. sOs 3. Soulkey 4. Maru 5. Jaedong 6. Innovation 7. Bomber 8. Polt 9. Taeja 10. Life There you go! edit: HIGHLY subjective! edit2: I say top 7 is so close it's not even funny!! The next three are players I think can win any tournament on a good day, but not just as good as top 7. | ||
TheEmulator
28100 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:09 Conut wrote: that was totally the dumb joke i needed for a laugh. I am the master of dumb jokes that aren't usually funny. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:34 DJHelium wrote: 1. Dear 2. sOs 3. Soulkey 4. Maru 5. Jaedong 6. Innovation 7. Bomber 8. Polt 9. Taeja 10. Life There you go! edit: HIGHLY subjective! where is jjakji? | ||
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DJHelium
Sweden13480 Posts
Was just trying to please dinosrwar. Jjakji obv #1, with Leenock at a close second (something like a 4-2 ratio between them). | ||
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DavoS
United States4605 Posts
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:34 DJHelium wrote: 1. Dear 2. sOs 3. Soulkey 4. Maru 5. Jaedong 6. Innovation 7. Bomber 8. Polt 9. Taeja 10. Life There you go! edit: HIGHLY subjective! edit2: I say top 7 is so close it's not even funny!! The next three are players I think can win any tournament on a good day, but not just as good as top 7. Nononono 1. Dear Best PvT in the world, really good PvP (3-0ing MC, wins against Hero), and remarkable absolutely remarkable PvZ (4-0 Soulkey, nuff said. But I'll say more and say 2-3 Jaedong which isn't bad considering Jaedong is a monster when he's allowed to do what he wants. sOs didn't allow that so that's why he won. But Dear went straight up against the best zvp in the world and almost won. Won KR Season 3 and then backed it up with Season 3 finals win. 2. Innovation This isn't supported yet, but I think he's recovered his prime. Can't justify this but I have the feeling. Keep an eye out and see if I'm right! 3. Jaedong Getting second place at harder and harder tournaments is an indicator of how far he has come. While he's weak in ZvT(compared to his other match-ups, and has to rely really on timings/"cheeses" versus terrans(see:Maru, his old ZvT's, any macro game where he loses), he's not awful at it. But this is made up for by the best ZvP on the planet (who else is even a question? Soulkey?lol , and hopefully still dominant ZvZ although we haven't seen that match-up much lately. 4. Maru WCS KR champion, then semifinalists in the last WCS KR and Season 3 finals. Consistancy plus amazing play makes him forth. 5. sOs He earned this one. I don't think his Blizzcon competition was actually 'hard' in the broad scheme of things, but he did show solid play and showed he's a level above mid-high level Koreans. So he proved he's up there with the top 16 at least, and I'll grant him this because he probably has the best PvZ in the world. He would get crushed by Maru probably though, but that's my opinion. 6. Bomber Minus TvP, this man is an absolute machine. Won WCS Season 2 finals and has displayed tip top, very tip top level TvT. Don't know if there's a better TvTer then him. 7.TheEmulator Then that's my top 7 | ||
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