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Prince_Stranger
Kazakhstan762 Posts
In my opinion, the best zerg  Jaedong (Soulkey is really good too, however he couldn't show all his potential to be the best player hope next year he will show)the best protoss  Dear (sOs was good too, however the word dominance i can bravely use only to Dear)the best terran  Bomber (the hardest race to judge a lot of good terrans but on top of everyone else I can only try to put Bomber) | ||
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Shaguar2k
1 Post
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
On November 19 2013 08:41 Shaguar2k wrote: The game just need to settle. After LOTV have been out for a few years and there isnt too much balance changes then you will have your throne. oh you are right. lets wait 5 blizzard years until we ask ourselves who is the best starcraft player... | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 19 2013 01:54 Grumbels wrote: funny how it's only the eSF terran players that can keep up with kespa players pfft what about Dear and Trap, they're eSF >_> | ||
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Fubi
2228 Posts
Because 1) SC2 is still relatively volatile; one or two small mistakes can still cause you the game. Even if you don't make mistakes, you can still lose to unexpected cheese/all-ins or build order loss. 2) There are too few tournaments, and even within each tournaments, most of the early stages of the games are only Bo3. Therefore, sample size is too small. 3) Combining the first two facts, you can kinda see that even if there is a dominating player (say, someone with 70%+ winrate), by chance alone, he can simply lose a Bo3. And since there isn't many tournaments, it'll seem like this player "fell off" for awhile, when in reality, it's just by chance that he lost (even the best players won't have 100% winrate) For example, Dear was actually only one game away from beating Jaedong in Blizzcon final. If you watched that series, you'll see that a few of those games in that series could of went either way. So simply by chance, Dear could of advanced and maybe went all the way to become the champion... then it'll look like Dear would be the "best" player in the world at the moment for winning back to back to back. | ||
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Wingblade
United States1806 Posts
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 19 2013 09:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote: pfft what about Dear and Trap, they're eSF >_> He most likely meant original eSF. | ||
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
On November 14 2013 09:13 Lorch wrote: I say sOs is tbh. I really wanna say jaedong with all my heart, and getting to the finals of 5 top tier tournaments this year surely speaks for him, but he lacks that one championship you somewhat need to call somebody the best. Blizzcon was supposed to be the event that'd crown the one champion of this years wcs, and where parting competed in a tournament that was so full of foreigners, and the thing that used to be WC fucking G, which I would never use as something to decide the best player in the world by, sos won an insanely stacked tournament at blizzcon and to me thats enough to call him the best atm. But starcraft is always changing and given that korean individual leagues are at halt it'll take a while to see whether sos can maintain his position. @1Dhalism: He basically won season 1 kr (that one game difference doesn't matter much to me, he literally needed to just build a tank 3 out of the 4 he lost) and the season 1 finals + his proleague performance was insane. sOs hasn't done enough to call him the best in the world. The Dear quote was pretty good though - on that day, sOs definitely played like the best in the world. But he hasn't shown enough consistency to be called the best in the world. I really hope for him to maintain the elusive "Best Protoss" slot for more than 2 months, and not fall into the shadows like PartinG, Rain, Squirtle, and Genius. | ||
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Noobity
United States871 Posts
On November 16 2013 21:44 Zealously wrote: This is why. No other player has a comparable list of achievements in 2013. 4 of those weren't open to everyone being considered. There's nothing to say that none of those that are in high contention wouldn't have done equally well given the same number of events he was flown to. It's easy to be considered the best in the world when you're given more opportunity to prove it. Though I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I think he's one of the best players of this year, personally. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On November 19 2013 10:12 FabledIntegral wrote: He most likely meant original eSF. I know what he meant, I just had to go there. Symbol, First, Losira, Hyun, Life, Avenge, and DRG (3rd quarter 2013 only) consistently do fine against most Kespa players. Granted only Life and the Terrans have actually won anything. | ||
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HaRuHi
1220 Posts
Well... There was one foreigner at the finals who did not pass the round of 32, here is the fun thing, the same foreigner we were used to see in Code S :D I liked WCS Europe a lot, I prefer GSL and NASL over their respective WCSs though. | ||
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On November 16 2013 21:54 Zealously wrote: I think the winningest player this year has won 3 championships. JD has placed top 4 in 7 tournaments, finishing second in five of those. All of said tournaments had top players participating. I'm not necessarily saying that JD is better than Soulkey or some shit, but it's undeniable that he has performed extremely well this year. The SC community has an obsession with gold medals and somehow always looks down on silvers, but there aren't many players that could have placed highly in seven major tournaments in a year, even if they had the chance. Yeah, but look at the actual tournaments and who you're comparing him to. Most of the other contenders for best in the world didn't even have the chance to fly out to every Dreamhack that there was, nor did they play in WCS America. It's doubtful JD would have gotten into WCS KR in the early seasons, since he struggled in Challenger AM, but even though he picked up the pace later, that could have seriously changed his narrative. Further, look at the caliber of the players he beat while making some of his top 4 runs. Between his 3 Dreamhack placings, JD only actually beat 3 or 4 people who could actually be called anything remotely close to a top tier Korean. I mean, that's not to say beating Taeja wasn't impressive, but it really does bring us back to reality a little bit when counting medal totals to realize how much lower the average skill level was at some of these Dreamhacks. While his performance at WCS Season 2 was great, and his performance at Blizzcon was spectacular, JD got destroyed at WCS Season 3. My point is that, compared to the other top level Korean players, JD is good but not somehow a level above them, or even close to being a level above them. When you look at how JD fares against indisputably strong Korean players, his dominance is less clear. He's taken down some titans, to be sure, but he's also gotten annihilated in multiple finals. When it's once or twice, we can say it's a fluke, but when, of the 3 finals appearances in WCS JD's made (which all occured within the past 5 months, might I add), he's taken a total of one game, it's pretty hard to construe him as being the best player in the world. | ||
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Nightwishone
Italy391 Posts
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goody153
44108 Posts
On November 20 2013 04:52 Shiori wrote: Yeah, but look at the actual tournaments and who you're comparing him to. Most of the other contenders for best in the world didn't even have the chance to fly out to every Dreamhack that there was, nor did they play in WCS America. It's doubtful JD would have gotten into WCS KR in the early seasons, since he struggled in Challenger AM, but even though he picked up the pace later, that could have seriously changed his narrative. Further, look at the caliber of the players he beat while making some of his top 4 runs. Between his 3 Dreamhack placings, JD only actually beat 3 or 4 people who could actually be called anything remotely close to a top tier Korean. I mean, that's not to say beating Taeja wasn't impressive, but it really does bring us back to reality a little bit when counting medal totals to realize how much lower the average skill level was at some of these Dreamhacks. While his performance at WCS Season 2 was great, and his performance at Blizzcon was spectacular, JD got destroyed at WCS Season 3. My point is that, compared to the other top level Korean players, JD is good but not somehow a level above them, or even close to being a level above them. When you look at how JD fares against indisputably strong Korean players, his dominance is less clear. He's taken down some titans, to be sure, but he's also gotten annihilated in multiple finals. When it's once or twice, we can say it's a fluke, but when, of the 3 finals appearances in WCS JD's made (which all occured within the past 5 months, might I add), he's taken a total of one game, it's pretty hard to construe him as being the best player in the world. yes he is not the best in the world that may be true .. but saying that he is not even close to the top tier koreans .. that is so wrong or it was only true in the beginning of the year .. that is like saying that his run on wcs s2 global finals where he dropped only a single map against all kinds of protoss is not impressive(given he lost 4-0 to bomber .. it was fine ..it was the time zerg was having a horrible time against terran) .. he is doing well consistently and he is the only player (aside from maru) who is getting better and better every season .. and what are you saying that his blizzcon run was a fluke where he took out the player considered best in the world just days before with an incredible run over season 3 just days before? where he took out maru considered one of the best terrans with the most consistent result in KR region ? really ? hell even being consistent 2nd places in tournament runs is hard to pull off .. its like saying that since soulkey only won once and almost always gets second places he cannot be considered one of the best in the world .. | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
The discussion was always about who was the absolute best, and, this years its nearly impossible to answer that question. Compared to the past years where we had some clear streaks of domination or prolonged success from players, from which we could draw conclusions on who was the best, this year the only clear domination was Innovation's and it lasted for far too little time that we could crown him best in the world. While JD is among the elite, I don't think we can call him best in the world, because well, he has so many silvers. The absolutely best in the world is someone you expect to have predominately golds and a few silvers here and there. So far the best arguments I think can be made for Polt or Taeja. Polt won 3 tournaments, 2 WCS and one MLG, though he has looked kind of mediocre outside those. Taeja has 2 HSC, an ASUS RoG and a DH, unfortunately those aren't quite as prestigious as WCSes, however he has taken part in a lot of WCS tournaments and has looked relatively good in all of those. I think this discussion not be closed until the end of this year. | ||
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Crackpot
58 Posts
No one ruled the second. Dear ruled the third season. And a random won the end. The only one who won local finals and season finals was dear. The other koreans (from korea) who did win the local finals never won the season finals, means they weren't really the best in their local premiere league otherwise they would win the season finals again. Best player is ? There is none right now. A very best player is for me what Innovation was in season 1. If Blizzard would have repeat the whole season finals of season 1 right after it was finished. Innovation would have won again. sOs would never win the global finals again if they would repeat it again and again, it would rather be 10 times another random player before sOs would win again. But more interesting is: Why do we don't have a consistent "best" player? Is it because of patching? Or Torunament design? Or is it just the progamers who aren't that good as we think ? peace peace | ||
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Beyond Magic
Finland130 Posts
Like everyone knows, hes been on 2nd place for... was it 5 or 6 times this year, so thats the proof of results. Ive followed his play quite a bit and during this year, he has gone better and better and better, inch by inch hes getting there. His reactions are starting to get more faster and smarter. A year ago, you could see that JD didnt understand the game well enough to compete at high level but now hes getting there. atm there are still small holes in his play but in short future i believe his ability to read the game will be even higher and he can crush everyone =) Staying on topic, i can't say jaedong was best player of this year but it's been amazing to watch his evolution, how well hes adapting to sc2. I hope Flash will be able to do the same next year. | ||
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goody153
44108 Posts
On November 20 2013 08:01 Beyond Magic wrote: I have to say that this has been Jaedongs year in many ways. Like everyone knows, hes been on 2nd place for... was it 5 or 6 times this year, so thats the proof of results. Ive followed his play quite a bit and during this year, he has gone better and better and better, inch by inch hes getting there. His reactions are starting to get more faster and smarter. A year ago, you could see that JD didnt understand the game well enough to compete at high level but now hes getting there. atm there are still small holes in his play but in short future i believe his ability to read the game will be even higher and he can crush everyone =) Staying on topic, i can't say jaedong was best player of this year but it's been amazing to watch his evolution, how well hes adapting to sc2. I hope Flash will be able to do the same next year. i think flash is also getting their but not as far as JD goes flash is actually still good to be honest and was pretty good at one point(especially MLG winter .. was it ?.. (flash made parting and innovation look like he is beyond their level in the finals) he may not win championships or get to the finals .. but he is a consistently getting r16 in gsl/osl .. that pretty hard and always get caught up in a group of death(his group in s2 r16 was horrible it was all terrans .. and you know how coinflippy tvt can get) .. he also scored most kills in Proleague which is still not an easy thing to do .. although lately im not sure if he is slumping or just unlucky .. but i get the feeling he is getting there .. maybe its his attitude towards the game that is preventing him .. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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HeeroFX
United States2704 Posts
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