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I'm seeing a lot of comments from people who are disappointed that we did not share the exact plans for WCS 2014. To clarify, we did not intend for this to be an announcement, or an announcement of an announcement for that matter

The reality is that we are still finalizing the details of WCS 2014 with our partners, however, we did not want to wait until everything was finalized before letting you know some of the things we were discussing. We want to give the community an opportunity to provide feedback before we locked down the specific details. We have outlined most of our plans and ideas in some of our answers, but haven't fully committed to any of the decisions because we want to hear from the community. Our goal is to confirm and announce the plans for WCS 2014 before BlizzCon. That gives you at least a week to give us your input on what we've shared!

Thanks again for your support!

-kimaphan
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2056 Posts
October 15 2013 11:22 GMT
#381
Fuck yes, no more season finals.

I am grateful that Blizzard values quality over quantity and allows breathing room for other tournaments in the scene.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 11:34:17
October 15 2013 11:26 GMT
#382
On October 15 2013 19:34 Sissors wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 19:30 XtreMe_au wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:22 Seiju wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:13 BronzeKnee wrote:

You don't get good at SC2 by going 0-4 in group stages versus Koreans twice a year


^This.

Simple as that.

I'll add that should Naniwa be dropped out of it, which is likely to happen at this point, I won't follow the streams of Blizzcon finals. I probably won't be the only one.


A Blizzard representative comes and tries to answer fans' questions about WCS 2014 and you post something like this? You are literally, mind-bogglingly retarded. Go play a different game. Makes me sick.

How is he retarded and makes you sick? He is completely right. Sure watching top level Koreans play is nice. But watching only Koreans play gets boring really fast.


First of all, the topic was how to increase the skill of the domestic players, not what is nicer to watch.
And second, there are examples that a region lock will not promote the skill of the players, e.g. the Taiwanese league and the German EPS.
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
October 15 2013 11:35 GMT
#383
Iron squid 3 plz !! make it happen !
plgElwood
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany518 Posts
October 15 2013 11:42 GMT
#384
meh, at least they talked about it. a bit.
The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts.
edlover420
Profile Joined December 2012
349 Posts
October 15 2013 11:53 GMT
#385
Can people please stop complaining about Koreans winning everything. They aren't born with an advantage. Starcraft 2 has been out for more than three years + beta and foreigners haven't managed to adapt their training schedules to be able to compete with Koreans. It's their own fault. Koreans are better therefore they deserve more money than they've been given this season. If you look at Europe and NA there is a bunch of new players surfacing mostly in challenger league. That's because Blizzard has fed much money into this regions thus increasing the number of high tier players, but WCS Korea got whey too little price pool from WCS distribution that's why they went to play to other regions, many retired and that's why there is a big lack of new players in Korea.
fabstr
Profile Joined September 2012
Germany10 Posts
October 15 2013 11:54 GMT
#386
do you consider some kind of advertisment? the integration of twitch in systems like xbox one and PS4 is a great opportunity to reach new costumers.
Sissors
Profile Joined March 2012
1395 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 11:57:41
October 15 2013 11:56 GMT
#387
On October 15 2013 19:36 XtreMe_au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 19:34 Sissors wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:30 XtreMe_au wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:22 Seiju wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:13 BronzeKnee wrote:

You don't get good at SC2 by going 0-4 in group stages versus Koreans twice a year


^This.

Simple as that.

I'll add that should Naniwa be dropped out of it, which is likely to happen at this point, I won't follow the streams of Blizzcon finals. I probably won't be the only one.


A Blizzard representative comes and tries to answer fans' questions about WCS 2014 and you post something like this? You are literally, mind-bogglingly retarded. Go play a different game. Makes me sick.

How is he retarded and makes you sick? He is completely right. Sure watching top level Koreans play is nice. But watching only Koreans play gets boring really fast.


Your thinly-veiled racism is what makes me sick BRO

I am not your bro dude...

(Okay that was easy).

But it is racist to cheer for local players? Where local here has a pretty broad definition. Then I assume you want during international sporting events all fans arrested for racism? Since pretty much all of them are cheering for their local athletes.
At IEM 70% of the TL people who voted on the poll wanted Naniwa to win. Now lets be honest, Naniwa isn't the most well behaved person in the history of SC2. So does that mean at least 20% (to get to 50-50) of the TL'ers is racist for voting on Naniwa?

Btw random accusations of racism when you don't have real arguments is what makes me sick. Worst is that due to those pointless whines real cases of racism get burried under a load of political correct BS cases.

On October 15 2013 20:26 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 19:34 Sissors wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:30 XtreMe_au wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:22 Seiju wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:13 BronzeKnee wrote:

You don't get good at SC2 by going 0-4 in group stages versus Koreans twice a year


^This.

Simple as that.

I'll add that should Naniwa be dropped out of it, which is likely to happen at this point, I won't follow the streams of Blizzcon finals. I probably won't be the only one.


A Blizzard representative comes and tries to answer fans' questions about WCS 2014 and you post something like this? You are literally, mind-bogglingly retarded. Go play a different game. Makes me sick.

How is he retarded and makes you sick? He is completely right. Sure watching top level Koreans play is nice. But watching only Koreans play gets boring really fast.


First of all, the topic was how to increase the skill of the domestic players, not what is nicer to watch.
And second, there are examples that a region lock will not promote the skill of the players, e.g. the Taiwanese league and the German EPS.

Of course you have to think about it before you lock something. For example a WCG is pointless for many countries. I don't think there even were qualifiers in the Netherlands, but even if there were, it wouldn't be really interesting. We simply don't have enough roughly similarly skilled players at the top to make a fun tournament.

However if you look at all of europe we do have enough players to do that.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 12:06:45
October 15 2013 12:06 GMT
#388
I really really liked Season finals. Besides Life's games, Season finals and KR finals are basically the only games I actually watch anymore because I don't have a lot of time, and it being all on one weekend lets me set aside a part of my schedule for it.
Seiju
Profile Joined July 2013
Hong Kong23 Posts
October 15 2013 12:07 GMT
#389
On October 15 2013 19:30 XtreMe_au wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2013 19:22 Seiju wrote:
On October 15 2013 19:13 BronzeKnee wrote:

You don't get good at SC2 by going 0-4 in group stages versus Koreans twice a year


^This.

Simple as that.

I'll add that should Naniwa be dropped out of it, which is likely to happen at this point, I won't follow the streams of Blizzcon finals. I probably won't be the only one.


A Blizzard representative comes and tries to answer fans' questions about WCS 2014 and you post something like this? You are literally, mind-bogglingly retarded. Go play a different game. Makes me sick.


Oh. And may I know which part exactly in my message might have triggered this outrageous outburst of rightful indignation?

Is it the part where I agree that being 2 Bo3 away from ruining your whole season might not be the best incentive for players to invest in the game in the long run?

Or is it the part where I suggest that the current elimination and points system will drop off the finals someone like Naniwa who would fully deserve his place there, and that foreigner runs actually have an impact on the exposure of the game and the excitement it provides? Don't like it? That's simply the way things are, and it is not because the world is filled with nasty racists. Look at the viewing figures.

Or perhaps do you suggest Mrs. Phan requires a full wall of text by each contributor to prepare her feedback, rather than concise points that matter to followers?

Please sunshine, enlighten us.

@JustPassingBy; it's definetely not about "what is nicer to watch". It is about rewarding the players that work harder and perform consistently. Which the current system does poorly.
ffadicted
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3545 Posts
October 15 2013 12:09 GMT
#390
Hmmm, no seasonal finals and only 3 seasons? Weren't players already complaining there weren't enough tournaments to play in? Not sure how this makes any sense honestly
SooYoung-Noona!
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 15 2013 12:12 GMT
#391
On October 15 2013 09:09 giririsss wrote:
Only having 3 seasons?

And then not having a season final?

So it goes from 7 tournaments to 4.

Fail.

Utter fail.

No wonder GSL are looking elsewhere for new e-sports, this is basically the last nail in the coffin.

User was warned for this post

If anything was going to be a nail in a coffin it would be people like this.

Nice to hear some info about 2014, hopefully it improves so I'm persuaded to watch more.
11/5/14 CATACLYSM | The South West's worst Falco main
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 12:26:33
October 15 2013 12:25 GMT
#392
This Q&A could've been from the average german politician. Giving the least possible amount of information with the highest possible amount of words.

Edit: I'm not saying there's no information at all. But hey, if you're not willing to give details or information, just say "we're not giving out details at this point in time" instead of talking about how much you tried in the past.
Littlesheep
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada217 Posts
October 15 2013 12:31 GMT
#393
Please Region Lock WCS so it will actually be interesting. Proving who the best Korean, who doesn't think they can compete in WCS Korea, in WCS EU and AM is not an interesting storyline. Sorry.
pro toez
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
October 15 2013 12:44 GMT
#394
Yeah, that was a really unedifying interview.... Basically the only real changes they are ready to admit is that they want to change some of the structure of the feed ins from Challenger league, make a clearer schedule to allow for more outside tournaments... and that's kind of it because everything else is up in the air or they aren't ready to announce it.


Sigh. I hope they are listening to some of the ominous stuff coming out of the Korean pro houses, they need more cash flow considering how well they are playing there.
SemperSC
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada117 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 12:45:00
October 15 2013 12:44 GMT
#395
My feedback: please find a way to better include / promote WCS in-game. Maybe a new tab dedicated to WCS, maybe a more eye-catchy "video" or "news" section.
Firestorm
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
Canada341 Posts
October 15 2013 12:44 GMT
#396
On October 15 2013 21:31 Littlesheep wrote:
Please Region Lock WCS so it will actually be interesting. Proving who the best Korean, who doesn't think they can compete in WCS Korea, in WCS EU and AM is not an interesting storyline. Sorry.


So instead of Taeja vs Jaedong, you want to see Drunkenboi vs Guitarcheese?
"Revenge is sweet... Revenge is a dish best served cold... Revenge is... Ice Cream!"
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
October 15 2013 12:44 GMT
#397
On October 15 2013 21:25 boxerfred wrote:
This Q&A could've been from the average german politician. Giving the least possible amount of information with the highest possible amount of words.

Edit: I'm not saying there's no information at all. But hey, if you're not willing to give details or information, just say "we're not giving out details at this point in time" instead of talking about how much you tried in the past.


Exactly. Why even take questions? Just put out a flat statement with what you are willing to talk about and clarify what is still up in the air. I had to read 2 pages of nothing to find out maybe 3 hard points of data.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 12:56:02
October 15 2013 12:45 GMT
#398
I think the following needs to be done.

1. Soft region lock, 2/3 of the spots in premiere league and challengers league reserved for people that live in that region.
2. Remove season finals but transfer all of the money to the regions instead.
3. Increase the total price pool but make it less top heavy (i.e. more money in round of 32 and 16).

4. Increase the WCS points you get from non-WCS tournaments (Dreamhack etc).
5. Make sure that you have longer periods between the seasons so that we can look forward to non-WCS events. As it is, WCS made me less motivated to watch normal tournaments since I was fed Starcraft from WCS all the time.
6. Maybe seed tournaments not only by skill but also on player popularity. Reserve a few spots for wild card players that are popular and make people tune in. I know this one is controversial but I am more interested to watch White-Ra, Naniwa, MC, MVP etc than some generic but more skilled korean.

7. Stop forcing tournament organisers to pay a percentage of the price pool (above a certain threshold) to Blizzard. That is just wrong and damages Starcraft.
8. Make mech viable in all matchups. This increases the variety of strategies and counter strategies which we will see, which will make the game more interesting to watch.
9. Make counter units soft counters instead of hard counters. Tempest prevents BC from even being built, no unit should work like that. Imagine if all/most units were viable at pro level, the game would be more varied and fun to watch.

10. Put pressure on twitch.tv to improve their service. WCS Europe and WCS America often lagged a lot for many viewers. I know my personal viewing experiece was often destroyed due to lag even though I have very high bandwidth and can watch anything else in streaming HD including WCS Korea.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 12:56:03
October 15 2013 12:48 GMT
#399
Talking about storyline when you just can't use their website to see the groups in the order that they were played and in the region you can't watch.

For exemple i really like to watch all the matches for all the regions when possible. But... VODs are not uploaded or missing or very late. You watch GROUP A because well.. it's the first group and in the first match you here how this player DESTROYED GROUP D and i'm like... well ok i'm not going to watch group D, and when you have to come to TL to see what is the order of the matches played... you spoiler yourself like 50% of time because you open the wrong thread or the wrong group etc...

I feel that they need to do something for WCS KR and USA because it's just unwatchable in EU (of couse the is valid for EU and KR for a USA perspective etc...)

About region lock, i feel that you have to do region locks for team (if your team is based in KR you play in KR, if your team is based in USA you play in USA) etc.. Like the soccer teams.

And you can have every 4 years something like olympic where this is country lock.

Also Twitch is like unwatchable at times in medium with a uber connection. They need to do something, take something else for provider, i don't know but lag into GG is not something we want to see.

Better handling of problems. Like IEM had a huge problem that ok was not their fault but for explanation, excuse, publication or something... we have an ad for a tablet and a : "Ok with fucked this move on with the next match".

If wcs have to include all tournaments, they need to handle the news, groups of tournament on ONE website and keep inform people better that an embbed twitch stream with results on the page with a spoiler thing that does not work properly (masking all the group but the last 2 for exemple) or having to load the page where the blank text is put at the end (so while it's loading you see all the results on your screen)


7. Stop forcing tournament organisers to pay a percentage of the price pool (above a certain threshold) to Blizzard. That is just wrong and damages Starcraft.


Just WTF is this ? I didn't even know that.. That's utter bullshit. Sorry but this is just dumb. (that blizzard is doing this. Not that you wrote a dumb thing)

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Kaos_StarCraft
Profile Joined November 2011
Australia92 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-15 12:51:36
October 15 2013 12:50 GMT
#400
wow change
so overhaul
such improve
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