Bisu's first interview after his retirement - Page 5

On October 01 2013 12:59 Jealous wrote:
On stream he said he makes more money playing Afreeca than he would have playing SC2, LOL. That just shows where the money and fanbase lies, considering the fanbase is pretty much directly supporting Afreeca players. GG.

“I have a burden to prove myself. Losing games gives me even more of these burdens. I couldn't see the hope of improvement and I couldn't get rid of this burden. So, I retired.

On October 01 2013 13:18 Jealous wrote:

I would still expect an A-teamer with as much marketability as Bisu to make more than fan-based donations would ever net him. Considering this is a person who had a 350k salary, won the final match of the last true BW finals... I expect his market value to be above whatever he can make streaming. Note that he didn't just say it was HIS salary that was meager, but SC2 players in general. Sure, you will have your Innovations that are probably raking in the dough, but if it is not worth it for the majority of the players, many of which can apparently make more money playing Afreeca...

As hard as it might be, I think it's time to stop discrediting arguments by throwing "BW elitist" somewhere in your post. Facts are facts, Bisu had no reason to lie and probably had many reasons not to say anything about it at all.

On October 01 2013 13:46 Sub40APM wrote:
Look at his quote, he isnt complaining about being stressed out about just 'being one of the guys', what affected him was that he went from being a top 4-5 player in the world to being a mediocre player, and he felt he wouldnt be able to stop being mediocire. My comment about BW elitists is just about the tone of most responses on this page. "Look, even Bisu admits this game sucks compared to BW!". You could interpret his overall post not only that "BW>SC2" but just as easily as "I suck at SC2, I am good at BW, I feel a huge emotional turmoil from being a huge BW star and turning into a mediocre SC2 player and I cant handle it" and then you could add the reality that most teams dont want to pay a lot of money for once great players who have mediocre results.

On October 01 2013 16:13 KeksX wrote:
While I understand his decision, I feel a it's a little bit unfair to his foreigner fans. There are a ton of western/foriegners that loved Bisu and would've gone to see him play - but he was only in Korea and couldn't see it. (Don't get me wrong, I completely respect him, I just wanted to make this point!)

I don't think The Tyrant is going to retire soon, and I think Flash feels the same. Because they saw it. They saw how passionate people are about SC2, and how passionate they are for those players. When Jaedong first played SC2, I did not care that he was not as good as everyone else and just got nerdchills because it's him and he tried to live on the legacy. And now looking at it, it's like BW all over again. Just not Courage, but regular tournaments. And I'm 100% confident that one day he will be the Jaedong we all know again.
Flash, on the other hand, might be different. I think his mindset is still too similar to Bisu's.

Before SC2 was released, BW was actually not as popular as we wanted it to be. MBC Game closing and everything, BW was still on the decline even when SC2 wasn't doing well at all. One could argue that this was because of the SC2 release, but I think in the end I think we can agree to this:

Most fans moved on, either to other games(LoL) or to the "next Starcraft", even though it might not be a "real" Starcraft, or whatever your opinion is.

A programer can now decide to come with us, or leave. Most stayed, some left. This is the way things go in life, and even though it's sad to see the people go, especially when it's a player like Bisu, I look forward to the future we have with our current players. I don't want to make a point here that BW is dead, it's not. Not by a long shot. But when we talk about the eSports scene BW is just not as relevant as we would like it to be(And I am a BW fan, too.). So it kinda feels like "leaving" when players go back to BW.

SC2 is still new compared to what we had in BW. We might not have an MBC Game again, we might not have the old Pro League, but we will definitely have the next best thing!

On October 01 2013 16:38 Jayson X wrote:
I think between bisu, flash and jaedong, bisu was always the more sensible guy. How is he to blame? To everyone who has ever performed infront of an audience (be it gaming, music or sport) and then received the love, let me tell you it's a feeling that goes beyond what you can imagine. You do it for them, always trying to improve, giving them something new.

I think it's quite sad to see a great player leave in such a fashion but I understand. No need to grind it out if your main motivation is making your fans happy. I think flash and jaedong are still different. They do it for the competition and personal challenge.

On October 01 2013 06:30 Glioburd wrote:

If only they didn't have switched on SC2 in Korea... xd

On October 01 2013 13:09 Sub40APM wrote:

it makes sense, he was pretty terrible at SC2. He admits it as much in the interview too, but the BW elitists chose to ignore that part of his interview and focus on the "SCII sucks" train. He felt badly being bad at the game and went back to the one where he was better.

On October 01 2013 05:48 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
Bisu's impression about the fanbase seems to be objectively incorrect. It's true it dropped drastically compared to BW but it then steadily improved with way larger crowds (than when it switched) for Starleague and Proleague. He made it seem like a continuous downward trend.

On October 01 2013 17:48 fuzzylogic44 wrote:


BW was declining as well, remember. Sure, it might have lasted a few more years but it was guaranteed to fizzle out soon with the era of LoL upon us. SC2 was a chance to sustain the RTS/starcraft scene into the future, even if initially it was a painful transition. Right now it's looking like it hasn't panned out that well in Korea, but that doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision.