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The Widow Mine change should have added a gradient to the splash, so that instead of 1-shotting 20 lings in one go, it would deal less damage to targets further away from the blast radius, just like the Siege Tank. Cutting the radius nearly in half is just going to turn it into something you use for early-game defense and proxy mine/medivac tvp builds, then cut entirely in favor of tanks or whatever...which I guess isn't such a bad thing :|
Whoever keeps telling David and friends that the upgrade merger is a good idea should be taken out back and shot. Figuratively.
As for the DT change, they should just merge the Dark Shrine with the Templar Archives. Right now, it's just this Cheese Tower that you construct to show your lack of shame and dignity, and dead-ends into defeat if your dt's don't kill 15 drones or whatnot. They've already made detection free and easy for everyone, so I don't see why this would be such a terrible idea >_>
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ALL GOOD I LOVE ALL OF ITTTTT
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On September 24 2013 03:29 Eatme wrote:
Well protoss is going to be alot more annoying in teamgames. The two most common toss openings in 3:3 are buffed.
The terran changes seems quite fine since the "look away for a second and lose all your lings" should be decreased.
who cares about team games anyways...
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Some nice changes, nice to see them sorta trying to help out mech!
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On September 24 2013 08:09 ZeromuS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 07:57 IntoTheheart wrote:On September 24 2013 07:54 Salteador Neo wrote:On September 24 2013 07:35 Buddy168 wrote:
Make DT's faster?
Yeah no thanks, I'll pass. I like my workers not being able to be run down. You must hate lings then. I haven't seen a pro win with either DTs or Oracles in ages. Oh wait it happened in PvP, some random dark templar wins yep... Would an Oracle rush be faster then with costing less gas? No. Instead it makes oracles come out ever so slightly earlier in PvP while letting you make something like a sentry or a stalker before starting the oracle. It wont make the build time faster or the earliest you can hit but will make you have slightly more army or start WG while making the oracle.
Ah okay, thanks.
And will we see InCa come out of retirement if DTs get better? :O
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gotta love 5 oracle openings instead of 5 phoenix openings hahahaha
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inc b4 dt cost zero gas (:
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Yes i think its a very good idea to make protoss more powerfull in early game vs Z!
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On September 24 2013 03:24 NovaMB wrote:
Dark Templar as fast as speed Warp Prisms? That sounds like a bad idea.
I think the splash decrease is a bit too drastic, the tank buff might be neat, dunno.
Cheaper Oracles for even more Toss all-ins? Yeah right..
who the fuck cares about allins really, you count pylons and you counter protoss allins... also the defense is only going to get good with the time
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On September 24 2013 08:29 EpicDemente wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 03:24 NovaMB wrote:
Dark Templar as fast as speed Warp Prisms? That sounds like a bad idea.
I think the splash decrease is a bit too drastic, the tank buff might be neat, dunno.
Cheaper Oracles for even more Toss all-ins? Yeah right.. who the fuck cares about allins really, you count pylons and you counter protoss allins... also the defense is only going to get good with the time
count the amount of pylons in a 3base all in. Yeah i think i like your stratergy
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I don't think it's at all fair right now to be judging the numbers Blizzard is putting forward. There are two whole months of testing available and numbers are easier to tweak. The concepts of a lot of these changes are really good. All of them except the two Protoss ones which sucks to say as a P player, but these changes don't accomplish their original goals. Make the speed an upgrade at the shrine that requires a Templar archives or something that relegates it to lategame. This chane just takes the risk of rushing DTs away, you can save the DTs and make an archon easily now.
The oracle doesn't need a cost reduction to make it even more potent in the early game while still being completely nullified by any amount of static defense. Lower the damage and increase the range to make it a more microable less coinflippy unit and it has potential for some really cool usage. Right now it's just a proxy cheese that has no later use.
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I hate to see protoss buffed, but I'd love to see more strategies or unit compositions so it's fine with me
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On September 24 2013 08:33 askmc70 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:29 EpicDemente wrote:On September 24 2013 03:24 NovaMB wrote:
Dark Templar as fast as speed Warp Prisms? That sounds like a bad idea.
I think the splash decrease is a bit too drastic, the tank buff might be neat, dunno.
Cheaper Oracles for even more Toss all-ins? Yeah right.. who the fuck cares about allins really, you count pylons and you counter protoss allins... also the defense is only going to get good with the time count the amount of pylons in a 3base all in. Yeah i think i like your stratergy
None of these changes would affect protoss "3 base all ins" (whatever those are...)
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Man based on the polls it seems like there arent very many protosses on the forums. Honestly these all seem like pretty good changes and I am excited to see how they go.
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On September 24 2013 08:33 askmc70 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2013 08:29 EpicDemente wrote:On September 24 2013 03:24 NovaMB wrote:
Dark Templar as fast as speed Warp Prisms? That sounds like a bad idea.
I think the splash decrease is a bit too drastic, the tank buff might be neat, dunno.
Cheaper Oracles for even more Toss all-ins? Yeah right.. who the fuck cares about allins really, you count pylons and you counter protoss allins... also the defense is only going to get good with the time count the amount of pylons in a 3base all in. Yeah i think i like your stratergy
Bro what about six base all ins? Those are my favorite. It's the 45 minute all-in. Gets 'em every time.
On topic: these seem like fairly strange / random / desperate changes to me but, uh....we'll see?
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So lets see whats in this balance patch:
-No fixes to TVP lategame.
-Useless buffs to Mech that fail to deal with the mech's real problems.
-Ridiculous nerf to widow mine and TVZ.
-Absurd unneeded buffs to Protoss and Zerg.
You are doing a fine job, David Kim.
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That roach buff would definitely be a plus with dealing with forcefields against those immortal all ins. I used to do it all the time before immortal range was buffed.
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On September 24 2013 08:42 Loccstana wrote:
So lets see whats in this balance patch:
-No fixes to TVP lategame.
-Useless buffs to Mech that fail to deal with the mech's real problems.
-Ridiculous nerf to widow mine and TVZ.
-Absurd unneeded buffs to Protoss and Zerg.
You are doing a fine job, David Kim.
Terran detected.
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Just buff siege tank damage.
Seriously - the freaking things are a joke.
Buff their damage and people will actually consider using them over mines - and they may be used in more than ONE (barely) match up.
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