On September 24 2013 08:48 Mjolnir wrote:
Just buff siege tank damage.

Seriously - the freaking things are a joke.

Buff their damage and people will actually consider using them over mines - and they may be used in more than ONE (barely) match up.

Tbh tanks do not work for a whole bunch of other reasons, damage is kinda irrelevant here.

TeeTS

Germany2762 Posts

September 23 2013 23:49 GMT

#563

On September 24 2013 08:46 lolfail9001 wrote:

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Terran detected.

I don´t know why zerg players can´t be objective. I mean, didn´t you learn anything from the queen patch? I as a terran fully admit, that widow mines are too strong right now. But you as a zerg can´t objectively say, that this solution offered here by blizzard will make TvZ a fair and even matchup.

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

September 23 2013 23:52 GMT

#564

On September 24 2013 08:49 TeeTS wrote:

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I did not say that blizzard did exact right buffs, but i like the direction of those. Do you really think DK will do that drastic of radius reduction? If it even gets through radius will probably be 1.5 instead of 1.75. Tanks will probably have 2.5 attack speed, since 2.7 not gonna work and so on.

Requiem-

Uruguay162 Posts

September 23 2013 23:53 GMT

#565

melee widowmines gg

TyrantPotato

Australia1541 Posts

September 23 2013 23:53 GMT

#566

at first i was confused why would blizzard attempt to buff the gimmicky parts of protoss.

then i remembered the whole race is gimmicky stuff, so its damned if you do damned if you dont i guess.

eonrulz

United Kingdom225 Posts

September 23 2013 23:53 GMT

#567

Maybe a solution for oracles would be to increase the revelation ability's duration. That seems like the most useful Oracle ability when it comes to the late game; increasing its duration would promote micro, as players would be required to get the oracles in position in order to use revelation, without increasing its effectiveness in early game cheese. It also wouldn't remove the need for overseers, which could still be positioned to scout for drops, whilst also providing more valuable scouting information.

Or maybe its just because I'm too drunk right now to properly think through what I'm saying. I dunno.

hansonslee

United States2027 Posts

September 23 2013 23:56 GMT

#568

It's sad how worked up the community is being with this patch. Blizzard is trying really hard to make Toss less deathball with more harassment options.

If anyone is killing eSports, it's the community who doesn't give these changes a chance.

IshinShishi

Japan6156 Posts

September 23 2013 23:57 GMT

#569

On September 24 2013 08:56 hansonslee wrote:
It's sad how worked up the community is being with this patch. Blizzard is trying really hard to make Toss less deathball with more harassment options.

If anyone is killing eSports, it's the community who doesn't give these changes a chance.

the problem is that they can still go for the deathball just fine, this changes nothing, just allows for more gimmicky stuff which we already see so much.

lolfail9001

Russian Federation40190 Posts

September 23 2013 23:57 GMT

#570

On September 24 2013 08:53 Requiem- wrote:
melee widowmines gg

l2read, they changed splash radius, range of widowmine is still the same.

Limniscate

United States84 Posts

September 23 2013 23:57 GMT

#571

All of the changes seem worthy of testing at the very least. Whether they should be put into an actual patch remains to be seen.

askmc70

United States722 Posts

September 23 2013 23:57 GMT

#572

Every community is somewhat retarded and try to state their opinions hoping that they are right, you cant change this. There will be hate and bashing for any type of patch that a game puts out.

GoodSirTets

Canada200 Posts

September 23 2013 23:58 GMT

#573

It's be cool if dt speed was an upgrade at the dark shrine!
Dat reasoning behind the oracle change though... Blizz logic man...

FreedomSC2

Canada224 Posts

September 23 2013 23:58 GMT

#574

On September 24 2013 03:42 uh-oh wrote:
Trade oracle hp for more shields. This rewards players who actively keep their oracles alive and allows the initial oracles to be used in the later stages, instead of having your half dead oracle falling to a salvo of viking missiles. It doesn't just help oracles as a harassment unit, but allows more bold uses of revelation as well.

I 100% agree give them the reaper healing ability essentially by boosting their shields. This will also reward terrans who use emp's on them on entry. be similar to how toss handles terran drops with high templar.

Great idea uh-oh!

shin_toss

Philippines2589 Posts

September 23 2013 23:59 GMT

#575

Protoss player here. Kinda shock with the DT buff it was doing okay then suddenly a random buff.. then the oracle buff really wtf. I know oracles are quite underused, but they should have buff it in a away that does not tempt the player to super rush it. 4 min oracle rush in pvp lol.. I hope at least the oracle won't push through.. or buff it in another way.. like an HP upgrade or something in mid-late game.

For the Terran Mech, its pretty good buff (i guess it needs a bit more tho),but it should come with a compensation nerf for bio ( maybe marauder or medivac)

Zerg upgrade.. I'm fine with it too.

TeeTS

Germany2762 Posts

September 23 2013 23:59 GMT

#576

Protoss has so many good harassment options. The problem is, that they can easily win (especially on low levels) without using them. It´s just way more comfortable to macro just up, defend a bit, and then roll over one big fight, than to be active over the whole game. You won´t get Protoss players get more active unless you pull them out of their comfort zone.
(this doesn´t apply to the very top level. We see those top protoss being very active with harassment)

WigglingSquid

5194 Posts

September 24 2013 00:00 GMT

#577

The widowmine change seems a bit too steep. Most other changes seem quite promising, with the exception of the winged-feet DTs that might be a tad excessive.