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On January 25 2014 12:07 GunLove wrote:
Yes I can confirm what the above poster said.
I too got promoted (around midnight this night). When I checked my division, about 60 out of a 100 players (including me) were at the exact same points total: 415. Even though I had around 500 points in my previous division one league lower. It seems like some predetermined points total.
Also in the general chat at that time there were quite a few others that got promoted, most of them had quite good win/loss ratios (like I do too). A friend of mine in the same league did not get promoted. He has a winrate closer to 50/50.
The only conclusion I can draw from this is that Blizzard implemented some new adjustments and it resulted in some 'mass' promotions for those who were doing relatively well in their leagues.
Anytime you change leagues your points are reset to 73 + spent bonus pool. If a lot of you had the same amount of points, my guess is you had no bonus pool left and the bonus pool total was 343 for your league =)
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On January 25 2014 12:07 GunLove wrote:
Yes I can confirm what the above poster said.
I too got promoted (around midnight this night). When I checked my division, about 60 out of a 100 players (including me) were at the exact same points total: 415. Even though I had around 500 points in my previous division one league lower. It seems like some predetermined points total.
Also in the general chat at that time there were quite a few others that got promoted, most of them had quite good win/loss ratios (like I do too). A friend of mine in the same league did not get promoted. He has a winrate closer to 50/50.
The only conclusion I can draw from this is that Blizzard implemented some new adjustments and it resulted in some 'mass' promotions for those who were doing relatively well in their leagues.
Yep, got promoted here too! I know it does not mean much, but it does mean a little. Going up always feels good (even if it is not the main reason I play). I seem to be playing against opponents of comparable skill too (i.e. it's not a curb stomp either way). From what I hear Blizzard has not fixed ladder yet, but the ladder related patch adjustments must be having some effect. I doubt you need to be doing well in your league, either (I was 10 - 15 before a win and promotion).
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On January 25 2014 12:34 coL.hendralisk wrote:
Right after the ladder change players in gm are getting a ton of points per win (20-26 without bonus pool even in cases where it should be <10 for ex. see sage/kangho/minigun, esp minigun cuz he's beating low mmr players while being rank 1 by a good margin and getting pts as if the opponent was favored) and no points for loss (0 to 2)
So basically giving a fake bonus pool or something? Not sure if intentional That sounds very unintentional. Those #1s that play many games should trend towards the lower reaches of points gained.
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Random thought - has anyone been promoted in such a way that two leagues at once were skipped (e.g. bronze to gold)? That would say quite a lot about new offets, if offsets were the only thing that was changed.
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Most of my friends have had 1 promotion per game back to where they belong. None of which got 2 at once.
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What do you mean "1 promotion per game"? Did they get multiple promotion after back to back wins?
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On January 26 2014 03:40 corydoras wrote:
Random thought - has anyone been promoted in such a way that two leagues at once were skipped (e.g. bronze to gold)? That would say quite a lot about new offets, if offsets were the only thing that was changed.
It's possible, it happened when I was playing an old account of mine which got demoted to gold and after playing only diamonds and winning I got promoted to plat and to dia all at once.
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On January 26 2014 03:47 corydoras wrote:
What do you mean "1 promotion per game"? Did they get multiple promotion after back to back wins?
Yes one of my clan mates who was gold got platinum then diamond in two back to back wins.
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Whoa. I'm not any kind of MMR geek but that would indicate massive changes in the offsets or some artificial adjustments in MMR values of particular players. If the former is true, I might get promoted if I eventually manage to win something in 1v1 
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I propose the following solutions
1. Reduce the global rate of MMR decay by 75% for everything and everyone.
2. Keep the current rate of MMR decay, but only for players with Master and Grandmaster MMR, and this rate of decay stops in the middle of diamond league.
I've reached the conclusion that MMR decay is a gangrenous disease slowly eating away at the effectiveness and meaningfulness of the ranking system, and these changes could stop it while still keeping the top leagues as something to *earn* and simultaneously fixing diamond league underpopulation. (although I realize diamond league active player distribution is close to correct, this would fix the top line number people complain about). Decayed players would have to prove themselves for promotion but would get decent matches from the start and it wouldn't take as long. The longer the current decay system stays in place, the more it undermines SC2. Its gets worse the longer blizzard thinks they can cure the disease by treating the symptoms.
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Can someone explain me why I have played vs masters in gold/plat? I have won these matches and am just now promoted to Diamond, why is the ladder so skewed ?
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Just adding to the consensus of the posts recently - have been promoted twice to get back up to diamond from gold in the space of about 30 games
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On January 26 2014 04:03 corydoras wrote:Whoa. I'm not any kind of MMR geek but that would indicate massive changes in the offsets or some artificial adjustments in MMR values of particular players. If the former is true, I might get promoted if I eventually manage to win something in 1v1
Based on the MMR tool graphs it is known that there has been league offset / threshold changes (by assuming the math is still the same). Based nios.kr it is known that there has been considerable increase of promotions to other leagues except to master. There is pretty much no increase regarding master promotions. Based on various forums it is known that some have been double promoted in back to back games, but some have not been promoted at all. Also it is worth to remember is that promotions happen only after won matches.
If it is only based offset / threshold changes, then they would likely have increased the diamond MMR range & decreased all lower league ranges & relative sum of the changes has been 0 (as no master league promotion increase). But then again lower league MMR ranges were already quite small. To lead to double promotions it would mean that some ranges would have decreased quite considerably. And there are also reports that some have not been promoted. (e.g. there are reports of some golds to be promoted to diamond with 2 back to back wins (thought it is unknown if they had recently started from 'blank MMR' and had not played 25 matches yet), but some golds have not been promoted at all (of course their MMR might have been lower league range). Artificial MMR boost based on historical data might be possible, but it would have been capped to diamond range.
Time will tell. It takes lots of time (2 to 3 weeks) to collect enough data to be able to calculate new lower league offsets for MMR tool. But there should be calculation results regarding diamond-master offset in few days (if I have time). Based on those values it might be possible to roughly estimate lower league offset based on user graphs (but these would be manual tryouts that would take potentially much effort).
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Here are some numbers from nios.kr how population has shifted in past 24 hours (2014-01-25 around midnight CET -> 2014-01-26 around midnight CET):
Accounts placed in leagues ('situation ~24 h ago --> now'):
US: master 1300 -> 1368, diamond 2885 -> 4122, platinum 4669 -> 5289, gold 13159 -> 14246, silver 22913 -> 23381, bronze 33939 -> 32385, total players placed 79065 -> 80989
EU: master 2246 -> 2276, diamond 3291 -> 4797, platinum 4951 -> 5749, gold 13047 -> 14641, silver 22733 -> 23647, bronze 38354 -> 35467, total players placed 84821 -> 86777
Increase in numbers:
US: master +68, diamond +1237, platinum +620, gold +1087, silver +468, bronze -1554, total players placed +1924
EU: master +30, diamond +1506, platinum +798, gold +1594, silver +914, bronze -2887, total players placed +1956
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Automatic updates regarding that data are nice. It shows when things started happening, thought based on MMR tool data the changes likely happened little earlier (few hours max) before than the numbers started changing in your chart. Shame that you don't have the raw numbers. Percentages themselves are often uninteresting.
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On January 26 2014 08:33 korona wrote:Shame that you don't have the raw numbers. Percentages themselves are often uninteresting.
Very true, I threw the script together really fast the night of the patch to get it running ASAP, so I didn't capture as much data as I could have. It's grabbing the total players per region, though, so approximate per-league player counts can still be calculated.
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So, I've been mostly platinum for a long time now. Was diamond for the second season of HotS, when like half of the ladder was in diamond for some reason, but definitely didn't deserve to be there. For the last couple seasons, and this one, I've been in gold. I'm not that good, platinum feels about right to me but the ladder was harder the last couple seasons.
Haven't played ranked in a couple weeks but decided to today, win my first game vs a gold, get promoted to platinum. Sweet!
My very first game in platinum, I'm...playing a diamond?? Weird. I lose.
Next game, vs a platinum, I win. And I'm promoted to diamond.
wtf?????????
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To me this looks like gold was influenced the most. A lot of bronze players should still go to silver and silvers to gold.
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Holy shit being promoted feels SO good :D
Im glad they implemented such major changes
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