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Bertholdz
23 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote: Nah, you hope Oz wins against Soulkey so you can watch the hilarity that will be the hundreds of temp-bans to the NaNiwa fans in the LR thread a hour into the broadcast.  Haha spot on! The righteous side of this is just as poisonous as the other. | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote: Nah, you hope Oz wins against Soulkey so you can watch the hilarity that will be the hundreds of temp-bans to the NaNiwa fans in the LR thread a hour into the broadcast. Simply put: almost anything that happens will be hilarious. That's how I like it  | ||
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sharkie
Austria18470 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote: Nah, you hope Oz wins against Soulkey so you can watch the hilarity that will be the hundreds of temp-bans to the NaNiwa fans in the LR thread a hour into the broadcast. It's not only Naniwa fans who would be upset... | ||
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Elite_
United States4259 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:45 sharkie wrote: It's not only Naniwa fans who would be upset... I know, but they'll be the ones with the majority of the complaints. On October 27 2013 16:29 Elite_ wrote: Here's every BlizzCon bracket possibility with the remaining matches in the tournament, all assuming Revival wins his challenger group. If Revival doesn't advance to premier from challenger, you can change every Revival/NaNiwa to NaNiwa. In some cases, Oz will tie with sOs, as both made the same number of points from WCS and the same number of points from tier 1 foreign events, their seeds will be determined via coinflip. If they do tie, the coinflip will be some time soon™. + Show Spoiler [All 32 possibilities] + Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Oz > Trap, Maru > Oz + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/euf9Zaa.png) Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Oz > Trap, Oz > Maru + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/wv7CNye.png Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Oz, Maru > Trap + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/qV4qAVO.png Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Oz, Trap > Maru + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/wMpPNfZ.png Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Oz > ByuL, Maru > Oz + Show Spoiler + Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Oz > ByuL, Oz > Maru + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/wv7CNye.png Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Oz, Maru > ByuL + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/qV4qAVO.png Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Oz, ByuL > Maru + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Z7XqGMj.png) Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > Trap, Maru > Soulkey + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/766GlMm.png Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > Trap, Soulkey > Maru + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/lsdMmEk.png Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Soulkey, Maru > Trap + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/6FUkY6c.png Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Soulkey, Trap > Maru + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/uU2e0QU.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > ByuL, Maru > Soulkey + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/766GlMm.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > ByuL, Soulkey > Maru + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/lsdMmEk.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Soulkey, Maru > ByuL + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/6FUkY6c.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Soulkey, ByuL > Maru + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/rC7422z.png Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Oz > Trap, Dear > Oz + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/AB0y4CG.png Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Oz > Trap, Oz > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/RnuIqrM.png Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Oz, Dear > Trap + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/YyoodZ3.png Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Oz, Trap > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/ukejIAH.png Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Oz > ByuL, Dear > Oz + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/AB0y4CG.png Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Oz > ByuL, Oz > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/RnuIqrM.png Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Oz, Dear > ByuL + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/YyoodZ3.png Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Oz, ByuL > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/wmYCPHg.png Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > Trap, Dear > Soulkey + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/ggMJ2Jc.png Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > Trap, Soulkey > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/mR0llM5.png Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Soulkey, Dear > Trap + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/lokgX2t.png Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Soulkey, Trap > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/QBSBqtX.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > ByuL, Dear > Soulkey + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/ggMJ2Jc.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > ByuL, Soulkey > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/mR0llM5.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Soulkey, Dear > ByuL + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/lokgX2t.png Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Soulkey, ByuL > Dear + Show Spoiler + i.imgur.com/2ZumuYK.png Also I'm quoting because I worked on this for like a hour and more people will notice if I put it on the current page.  | ||
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00Visor
4337 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:09 Bertholdz wrote: This is not about Naniwafans. With Vortix showing that except Scarlett and Naniwa no foreigner can compete with the Koreans, and Naniwa being super-hyped after IEM, only Koreans in Blizzcon would be devastating. Basically a fourth time this year of pretty much the same Koreans in a tournament less dynamic than GSL and without any surprises (We know by now MC and MMA and are old elephants getting stomped by young hungry Koreans, and Jaedong apparently has peaked and lost the edge. I think it may be the nail in the coffin for WCS, loosing many viewers for Blizzcon (I wont sit up all night for same thing as a month before), and any international drama. So we Naniwa-fans may be silly but you righteous We-will-see-the-best-players-which-are-the-Koreans-people kind of miss the point i Think. I really hate when people say stuff like "Vortix showing he cannot compete with Koreans" because of two 1-2 losses in 1 tournament, when he has played tons of other matches. Vortix is 24-19 in matches vs Koreans in HotS (http://www.aligulac.com/players/52/results/?after=&before=&race=ptzr&country=KR&bestof=all&offline=both&game=HotS&op=Filter). Yes, many of them were "lesser" Koreans and online matches, but he can compete (online wins vs Stardust, Hyun, offline vs MC). | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8583 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote: Nah, you hope Oz wins against Soulkey so you can watch the hilarity that will be the hundreds of temp-bans to the NaNiwa fans in the LR thread a hour into the broadcast. Some people just want to watch the world burn. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:38 Bertholdz wrote: What im actually saying is one foreigner at Blizzcon is the injection WCS desperately needs. (W as in WORLD, not South Korea). And if that doesnt become the case, there will in retrospect be nothing this season that has legitimized the new system. And that i sad. A bit dramatic, don't you think? Looking at "legitimacy" only by the nationality of the players is amazingly short-sighted. You don't want to consider player races, playing styles, results, or metagame at all, huh? | ||
opterown
Australia54784 Posts
like it or not, 'good' foreigners are very important for starcraft popularity. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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Bertholdz
23 Posts
On October 27 2013 20:04 opterown wrote: naniwa being in the finals gives a significant number of fans a reason to tune in, which helps starcraft esports, if only a bit. for that reason alone, i'm rooting hard for naniwa to make it and do well at blizzcon. like it or not, 'good' foreigners are very important for starcraft popularity. Thank you. | ||
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Bertholdz
23 Posts
On October 27 2013 20:02 coverpunch wrote: A bit dramatic, don't you think? Looking at "legitimacy" only by the nationality of the players is amazingly short-sighted. You don't want to consider player races, playing styles, results, or metagame at all, huh? Of course I do consider those aspects. But in fact compared to Dreamhacks and IEMS etc. the WCS must provide something that makes it the highlight. If the football world cup for example were the least interesting football scen because of Brazil A, B and C competing with Germany A, B and so on it would loose its reason to exist. Many people like to play that national states are dead the community is global-card, but we primitive people that just gets much of the excitement from playing the silly game of national support have to be involved otherwise Wcs will never get 200 K viewers. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 27 2013 19:35 Elite_ wrote: Nah, you hope Oz wins against Soulkey so you can watch the hilarity that will be the hundreds of temp-bans to the NaNiwa fans in the LR thread a hour into the broadcast. Yes, yes, yes, please! | ||
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umade
Sweden172 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
On October 27 2013 20:21 Bertholdz wrote: Of course I do consider those aspects. But in fact compared to Dreamhacks and IEMS etc. the WCS must provide something that makes it the highlight. If the football world cup for example were the least interesting football scen because of Brazil A, B and C competing with Germany A, B and so on it would loose its reason to exist. Many people like to play that national states are dead the community is global-card, but we primitive people that just gets much of the excitement from playing the silly game of national support have to be involved otherwise Wcs will never get 200 K viewers. But you are aware that the World Cup weights regional representation by their relative strength, yes? That's why Europe gets 13 representatives but Asia, despite having 10x the population, only gets 5. | ||
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lolfail9001
Russian Federation40190 Posts
On October 27 2013 20:31 umade wrote: Naniwa won't make it, and we will have the least watched grand finals EVER. Oh WCS, how I love thee. It's not like Swedes will wake up in time for his off-stage off-stream games :D | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
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Bertholdz
23 Posts
On October 27 2013 20:37 coverpunch wrote: But you are aware that the World Cup weights regional representation by their relative strength, yes? That's why Europe gets 13 representatives but Asia, despite having 10x the population, only gets 5. Yes thats exactly my point. 13 to 5 may seem unbalanced but it might be fair atm. 16 to 0 though is a point from which you struggle uphill a mt Everest, however fait it may be. | ||
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Bertholdz
23 Posts
On October 27 2013 20:45 Aunvilgod wrote: The problem is that you cannot have a true World Finals at this time. The distribution of skill is way too concentrated to Korea. Blizzard cannot make the WCS Grand Finals the most important tournament. They HAVE to give this status to the GSL & OSL. WCS Grand Finals should be the new WCG where everybody gets together and has a fun time. Maybe they can make it look like it is the most competitive tournament so more casuals tune in but the way it is currently the viewer numbers will be bad. Couldn't agree more. | ||
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BaneRiders
Sweden3630 Posts
On October 27 2013 20:52 Bertholdz wrote: Yes thats exactly my point. 13 to 5 may seem unbalanced but it might be fair atm. 16 to 0 though is a point from which you struggle uphill a mt Everest, however fait it may be. Indeed, guaranteeing participation from Asia, Africa and so on was a clever move that contributes to the high interest in the World Cup and in football at large, both for fans and future players I'm sure. Everyone dreams of seeing their team making an upset and it happens quite often too. It would be very unfortunate if Africa, Asia and North America would have to qualify against European and South American teams. The difference between a final with foreigner participation and one without is that it is the end of it for many foreigner fans if we have a full Korean final. It is not the end of it for SC2 or anything like that, but it is simply not interesting enough for many people to watch all Korean matches to find out who the best Korean is in one competition, be it the grand final or some other competition. That means a full Korean final will reduce the number of viewers amongst those to whom it does matter if there is a foreigner participating. Those who don't care about where the participants come from but want to see the best will always be happy so no problem there. I'm one of those who really need foreigner participation in a tournament to give a shit. It is not a threat or anything, it is how it is. Luckily for me there is DH winter, Homestory cup, another round of Red Bull battle Grounds and Fragbite Masters with both foreigner and Korean participation to look forward to, including players I root for, so I'm not going to get starved to death before the next year is here, hopefully with an improved WCS system in place! One evidence of the importance of foreigner participation can be seen in this very thread. Just consider how much interest there is in this solely due to Naniwa still having a chance, although I have to admit the probability of Naniwa making it looks smaller than the percentage given right now. | ||
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Bogeyman
Sweden307 Posts
I don't have much hope, but please Soulkey... please. o__o And Revival, Naniwa is practically your teammate. Go roll around in snow naked for an hour or something. Do it for the team! | ||
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