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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 02:12:52
October 27 2013 02:12 GMT
#1261
On October 27 2013 11:09 bertu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 11:06 The_Templar wrote:
On October 27 2013 11:00 bertu wrote:
On October 27 2013 10:56 JonathanMerklin wrote:
There's only 128 possible outcomes for an 8-man single-elimination bracket right? I know this isn't the scope of the program, so I'll just ask: does anyone know how many (given 50:50 odds for everyone) of those outcomes result in Naniwa at Blizzcon?


I think 5/8.

I got 3/8, funny enough... rechecking calculations


If you factor the tiebreaker against revival, it's closer to 3/8.

no I figured out what's up, I counted one of byul/trap winning by itself as knocking naniwa out, now I have 5/8
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KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 02:21:33
October 27 2013 02:15 GMT
#1262
Given all 50:50 matches:
50% Dear gets to semis and passes Naniwa
50% Oz gets to semis and passes Naniwa
25% Winner of Trap/Byul gets to Finals and passes Naniwa

Odds of 2 or 3 of these happening:
37.5% -- Naniwa is out

Odds of exactly 1 happening:
43.75% -- Naniwa may have to play tiebreaker with Revival

Odds of 0 happening:
18.75% -- Naniwa and Revival are both in.


Edit: Fixed so Trap/Byul have to win finals not just get there.
Thx The_Templar
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
October 27 2013 02:15 GMT
#1263
On October 27 2013 11:15 KillerDucky wrote:
Given all 50:50 matches:
50% Dear gets to semis and passes Naniwa
50% Oz gets to semis and passes Naniwa
50% Winner of Trap/Byul gets to Finals and passes Naniwa

Odds of 2 or 3 of these happening:
50% -- Naniwa is out

Odds of exactly 1 happening:
37.5% -- Naniwa may have to play tiebreaker with Revival

Odds of 0 happening:
12.5% -- Naniwa and Revival are both in.

Trap/Byul have to win the whole thing
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
October 27 2013 03:10 GMT
#1264
updated with results of Maru vs MMA
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Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
October 27 2013 03:29 GMT
#1265
I am confused. Why don't Byul and Trap not have the same chance of going to Blizzcon? If they win Season 3 Finals they go; if they don't win Season 3 Finals they don't go. I am asking because I want to make sure I am not missing something. Looking forward to your response.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 27 2013 03:32 GMT
#1266
On October 27 2013 12:29 Sharkey wrote:
I am confused. Why don't Byul and Trap not have the same chance of going to Blizzcon? If they win Season 3 Finals they go; if they don't win Season 3 Finals they don't go. I am asking because I want to make sure I am not missing something. Looking forward to your response.


Different aligulac ratings and different opponents
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 27 2013 03:32 GMT
#1267
The main part of the OP uses the aligulac rating system database to help predict the winners of matches and future opponents so not all players are treated equal. If you look at the bottom of the OP there is a breakdown if every player had a 50% chance to win against any other player and ByuL and Trap have the same % chance to qualify.
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Sharkey
Profile Blog Joined February 2004
668 Posts
October 27 2013 03:36 GMT
#1268
On October 27 2013 12:32 Shellshock wrote:
The main part of the OP uses the aligulac rating system database to help predict the winners of matches and future opponents so not all players are treated equal. If you look at the bottom of the OP there is a breakdown if every player had a 50% chance to win against any other player and ByuL and Trap have the same % chance to qualify.


On October 27 2013 12:32 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 12:29 Sharkey wrote:
I am confused. Why don't Byul and Trap not have the same chance of going to Blizzcon? If they win Season 3 Finals they go; if they don't win Season 3 Finals they don't go. I am asking because I want to make sure I am not missing something. Looking forward to your response.


Different aligulac ratings and different opponents


Thank you! It all makes sense now
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9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
October 27 2013 03:47 GMT
#1269
Ok yup, deer is getting through. Now we just have to hope byul loses.
kwark_uk: @father_sc learn to play maybe?
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
October 27 2013 04:04 GMT
#1270
On October 27 2013 12:47 9-BiT wrote:
Ok yup, deer is getting through. Now we just have to hope byul loses.


Doesn't matter if Byul wins, his chance is still really small.

What we have to hope for is that Oz doesn't win.
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
October 27 2013 04:04 GMT
#1271
updated with results of Dear vs MC
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Sobienski
Profile Joined October 2013
Portugal5 Posts
October 27 2013 04:05 GMT
#1272
It's all on Soulkey's hand now, have to win both is matches.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 04:14:52
October 27 2013 04:09 GMT
#1273
Go Soulkey and Byul! Stop Oz and Trap!!!
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
October 27 2013 04:10 GMT
#1274
I think there is a good chance for Soulkey to kill off Oz because SK has a good ZvP record while Oz is more of a PvP specialist. But we'll see what happens! So, no need to fear yet, Naniwa fans! :D
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Ghulmore
Profile Joined September 2013
Canada14 Posts
October 27 2013 04:11 GMT
#1275
Really hope we don't end up with Trap vs Dear finals, I don't mean to be that guy but I see no reason for why Dear wouldn't throw those games, Trap gets to go to Blizzcon and thus gets money for attending as well and theres no way to tell if Trap would just give Dear the money he'd get for first place.

Really bad situation because even if Trap did win legitimately alot of people would think otherwise to
will216
Profile Joined August 2012
United States185 Posts
October 27 2013 04:12 GMT
#1276
Is Dear in Blizzcon now ?
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 27 2013 04:13 GMT
#1277
On October 27 2013 13:12 will216 wrote:
Is Dear in Blizzcon now ?

I guess it's not 100% but he's 15th in points right now so he will probably get to go
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NoGasfOu
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1117 Posts
October 27 2013 04:16 GMT
#1278
Oh Dear. Thank god. Waiting for Oz to finish SoulKey and I'll will be a happy guy.
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redpeople
Profile Joined July 2013
70 Posts
October 27 2013 04:21 GMT
#1279
maru vs soulkey final plz
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Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 04:43:09
October 27 2013 04:42 GMT
#1280
On October 27 2013 13:11 Ghulmore wrote:
Really hope we don't end up with Trap vs Dear finals, I don't mean to be that guy but I see no reason for why Dear wouldn't throw those games, Trap gets to go to Blizzcon and thus gets money for attending as well and theres no way to tell if Trap would just give Dear the money he'd get for first place.

Really bad situation because even if Trap did win legitimately alot of people would think otherwise to

these people are professionals and probably take pride in their work and their play. sure, match fixing happens sometimes in sports. no reason to assume it would happen now just because it would benefit them. match fixing ALWAYS benefits SOMEONE, that doesn't mean it's always happening.

bottom line - if you post this stuff with no evidence other than "what if?" then YOU are responsible for starting the rumor.
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