• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:09
CEST 03:09
KST 10:09
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026)54Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft II 5.0.17 PTR Patch Notes (Sept 30, 2026) How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? SC4ALL: II SC2 Complete Invited Player Lineup StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double
Tourneys
Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Bot on ladder Fantasy returning? BW General Discussion ASL22 General Discussion a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread All you football fans (soccer)!
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
Escaping Into Video Games: G…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7059 users

Blizzcon qualification probabilities simulation - Page 65

Forum Index > SC2 General
1549 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 63 64 65 66 67 78 Next
mage36
Profile Joined May 2011
415 Posts
October 27 2013 05:03 GMT
#1281
On October 27 2013 13:11 Ghulmore wrote:
Really hope we don't end up with Trap vs Dear finals, I don't mean to be that guy but I see no reason for why Dear wouldn't throw those games, Trap gets to go to Blizzcon and thus gets money for attending as well and theres no way to tell if Trap would just give Dear the money he'd get for first place.

Really bad situation because even if Trap did win legitimately alot of people would think otherwise to

I'd like to think that we've all learned a valuable lesson from the match fixing scandal a few years back. Koreans are dead serious about this and it will mean the end of their career. Plus the Starcraft scene really does not need another scandal to kill itself, especially with how it is doing in Korea. I think the team and the players are very much aware of this fact.

Korean people have a lot of pride in how other people perceive them and ruining your honor is like committing suicide. I think that is reason enough. Look at Savior. He still can't even play on Afreeca without being heavily criticized.
etrensce
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia337 Posts
October 27 2013 05:06 GMT
#1282
Go Oz! I believe in you
If life gives you lemons, burn lifes house down
ZachFreeman
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia484 Posts
October 27 2013 05:51 GMT
#1283
Soulkey is now the foreigner hope!
GIVE ME COMMAND
Kheve
Profile Joined May 2013
323 Posts
October 27 2013 06:21 GMT
#1284
On October 27 2013 13:11 Ghulmore wrote:
Really hope we don't end up with Trap vs Dear finals, I don't mean to be that guy but I see no reason for why Dear wouldn't throw those games, Trap gets to go to Blizzcon and thus gets money for attending as well and theres no way to tell if Trap would just give Dear the money he'd get for first place.

Really bad situation because even if Trap did win legitimately alot of people would think otherwise to


Only idiots like you. -_-

Naniwa fate hangs more on Oz than on those who needs to win the whole thing. Hell Maru is on fire.
Blargh
Profile Joined September 2010
United States2103 Posts
October 27 2013 06:42 GMT
#1285
Naniwa chance <40% ._.

I sort of feel like foreigners should get a 10% handicap to their WCS points... Having Naniwa at Blizzcon would probably increase viewer count by so much!
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
October 27 2013 06:47 GMT
#1286
On October 27 2013 13:12 will216 wrote:
Is Dear in Blizzcon now ?


I think Trap, Oz and ByuL can knock him out if two of the three get into the finals
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
October 27 2013 06:49 GMT
#1287
On October 27 2013 15:47 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2013 13:12 will216 wrote:
Is Dear in Blizzcon now ?


I think Trap, Oz and ByuL can knock him out if two of the three get into the finals

If Oz gets semifinals he has to play the winner of ByuL vs. Trap, but if the winner of ByuL vs. Trap wins the tournament and Maru beats Dear, Dear is out for sure.
sc2chronic
Profile Joined May 2012
United States777 Posts
October 27 2013 07:23 GMT
#1288
i get that naniwa represents foreigners, but this is about the BEST PLAYER in the world, not your favorite. if he doesnt advance , its no ones fault but his own. relying on another persons success to qualify is about the dumbest thing in the world and his "fans" should stop hopping on other players dicks in hopes of him advancing.

and yes, i would love to see him qualify. stop fanboying so hard, some of you guys in here. whatever happens happens.
terrible, terrible, damage
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 08:04:06
October 27 2013 07:29 GMT
#1289
Here's every BlizzCon bracket possibility with the remaining matches in the tournament, all assuming Revival wins his challenger group. If Revival doesn't advance to premier from challenger, you can change every Revival/NaNiwa to NaNiwa.

In some cases, Oz will tie with sOs, as both made the same number of points from WCS and the same number of points from tier 1 foreign events, their seeds will be determined via coinflip. If they do tie, the coinflip will be some time soon™.

Some images don't show up even though I put them all on imgur and they all have {img}link{/img} -_-

But yeah, a lot of these brackets are ridiculous because more than half the possible Ro16 matches could be the BlizzCon finals.

+ Show Spoiler [All 32 possibilities] +

Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Oz > Trap, Maru > Oz
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Oz > Trap, Oz > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/wv7CNye.png


Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Oz, Maru > Trap
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/qV4qAVO.png


Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Oz, Trap > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/wMpPNfZ.png


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Oz > ByuL, Maru > Oz
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Oz > ByuL, Oz > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/wv7CNye.png


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Oz, Maru > ByuL
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/qV4qAVO.png


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Oz, ByuL > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > Trap, Maru > Soulkey
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/766GlMm.png


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > Trap, Soulkey > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/lsdMmEk.png


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Soulkey, Maru > Trap
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/6FUkY6c.png


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Maru > Dear, Trap > Soulkey, Trap > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/uU2e0QU.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > ByuL, Maru > Soulkey
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/766GlMm.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, Soulkey > ByuL, Soulkey > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/lsdMmEk.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Soulkey, Maru > ByuL
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/6FUkY6c.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Maru > Dear, ByuL > Soulkey, ByuL > Maru
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/rC7422z.png


Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Oz > Trap, Dear > Oz
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/AB0y4CG.png


Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Oz > Trap, Oz > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/RnuIqrM.png


Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Oz, Dear > Trap
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/YyoodZ3.png


Oz > Soulkey, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Oz, Trap > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/ukejIAH.png


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Oz > ByuL, Dear > Oz
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/AB0y4CG.png


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Oz > ByuL, Oz > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/RnuIqrM.png


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Oz, Dear > ByuL
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/YyoodZ3.png


Oz > Soulkey, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Oz, ByuL > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/wmYCPHg.png


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > Trap, Dear > Soulkey
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/ggMJ2Jc.png


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > Trap, Soulkey > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/mR0llM5.png


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Soulkey, Dear > Trap
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/lokgX2t.png


Soulkey > Oz, Trap > ByuL, Dear > Maru, Trap > Soulkey, Trap > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/QBSBqtX.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > ByuL, Dear > Soulkey
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/ggMJ2Jc.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, Soulkey > ByuL, Soulkey > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/mR0llM5.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Soulkey, Dear > ByuL
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/lokgX2t.png


Soulkey > Oz, ByuL > Trap, Dear > Maru, ByuL > Soulkey, ByuL > Dear
+ Show Spoiler +
i.imgur.com/2ZumuYK.png


For those wondering that don't want to look through all of these, 12/32 have NaNiwa vs. Revival
Koerage
Profile Joined April 2012
Netherlands1220 Posts
October 27 2013 08:58 GMT
#1290
12/32 is about the same at 39% so looks like its just hoping for nani's fans that SK and Maru keep it up and play the "expected" S3 korean finals a few weeks late
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
October 27 2013 09:03 GMT
#1291
On October 27 2013 17:58 Koerage wrote:
12/32 is about the same at 39% so looks like its just hoping for nani's fans that SK and Maru keep it up and play the "expected" S3 korean finals a few weeks late

Actually NaNiwa fans are upset no matter what happens because he's either facing Soulkey or Maru in the Ro16 at BlizzCon if he makes it.... If he even makes it past Revival in the tiebreaker.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 10:06:51
October 27 2013 09:43 GMT
#1292
So let me see if I have it straight:

Ro8: Soulkey loses = Naniwa out, Byul-Trap irrelevant

If not dediced yet than

Ro4: Dear-Maru irrelevant. Soulkey wins = Naniwa in.

If not decided yet than

finals: winner of Maru-Dear = Team Naniwa, winner of Trap-ByuL = Team Sniper.

Right?

edit: thanks Elite_ for a correction, I am stupid
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
TL+ Member
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
October 27 2013 09:56 GMT
#1293
On October 27 2013 18:43 opisska wrote:
So let me see if I have it straight:

Ro8: Soulkey loses = Naniwa out, Byul-Trap irrelevant

If not dediced yet than

Ro4: Dear-Maru irrelevant. Soulkey wins = Naniwa in.

If not decided yet than

finals: winner of Maru-Dear = Team Naniwa, winner of Soulkey-Trap-ByuL = Team Sniper.

Right?

Now it's right.
Bertholdz
Profile Joined July 2013
23 Posts
October 27 2013 10:09 GMT
#1294
This is not about Naniwafans. With Vortix showing that except Scarlett and Naniwa no foreigner can compete with the Koreans, and Naniwa being super-hyped after IEM, only Koreans in Blizzcon would be devastating. Basically a fourth time this year of pretty much the same Koreans in a tournament less dynamic than GSL and without any surprises (We know by now MC and MMA and are old elephants getting stomped by young hungry Koreans, and Jaedong apparently has peaked and lost the edge.

I think it may be the nail in the coffin for WCS, loosing many viewers for Blizzcon (I wont sit up all night for same thing as a month before), and any international drama. So we Naniwa-fans may be silly but you righteous We-will-see-the-best-players-which-are-the-Koreans-people kind of miss the point i Think.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
October 27 2013 10:13 GMT
#1295
I have a feeling that the whole process of qualification will turn out to be more exciting than Naniwa's actual run at blizzcon if he manages to qualify. Not that I don't want to see him there but the chance that he'll just fizzle out is large enough for me not to get too invested in this.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
October 27 2013 10:18 GMT
#1296
On October 27 2013 19:09 Bertholdz wrote:
This is not about Naniwafans. With Vortix showing that except Scarlett and Naniwa no foreigner can compete with the Koreans, and Naniwa being super-hyped after IEM, only Koreans in Blizzcon would be devastating. Basically a fourth time this year of pretty much the same Koreans in a tournament less dynamic than GSL and without any surprises (We know by now MC and MMA and are old elephants getting stomped by young hungry Koreans, and Jaedong apparently has peaked and lost the edge.

I think it may be the nail in the coffin for WCS, loosing many viewers for Blizzcon (I wont sit up all night for same thing as a month before), and any international drama. So we Naniwa-fans may be silly but you righteous We-will-see-the-best-players-which-are-the-Koreans-people kind of miss the point i Think.

The whole point of WCS was to get the 16 best performing players of the year. If NaNiwa doesn't make it it's because he didn't perform well enough.
coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-27 10:29:12
October 27 2013 10:23 GMT
#1297
What kind of threat is that? You basically won't watch unless Naniwa is winning. Even if Naniwa got in to Blizzcon, if he loses in the first round, you'll still stop watching and go back to writing "WCS is dead, too many Koreans" complaints.

I think this season 3 finals is exciting because spots #15 and 16 are still up for grabs. The remaining uncertainty is better than if it was guaranteed that Naniwa was in, right?

coverpunch
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2093 Posts
October 27 2013 10:26 GMT
#1298
I hope we see the hilarity of Byul or Trap in the finals so that Dear goes from Naniwa 's worst enemy to Naniwa's best friend.
Elite_
Profile Joined June 2012
United States4259 Posts
October 27 2013 10:35 GMT
#1299
On October 27 2013 19:26 coverpunch wrote:
I hope we see the hilarity of Byul or Trap in the finals so that Dear goes from Naniwa 's worst enemy to Naniwa's best friend.

Nah, you hope Oz wins against Soulkey so you can watch the hilarity that will be the hundreds of temp-bans to the NaNiwa fans in the LR thread a hour into the broadcast.
Bertholdz
Profile Joined July 2013
23 Posts
October 27 2013 10:38 GMT
#1300
On October 27 2013 19:23 coverpunch wrote:
What kind of threat is that? You basically won't watch unless Naniwa is winning. Even if Naniwa got in to Blizzcon, if he loses in the first round, you'll still stop watching and go back to writing "WCS is dead, too many Koreans" complaints.

I think this season 3 finals is exciting because spots #15 and 16 are still up for grabs. The remaining uncertainty is better than if it was guaranteed that Naniwa was in, right?



What im actually saying is one foreigner at Blizzcon is the injection WCS desperately needs. (W as in WORLD, not South Korea). And if that doesnt become the case, there will in retrospect be nothing this season that has legitimized the new system. And that i sad.
Prev 1 63 64 65 66 67 78 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
00:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #21
CranKy Ducklings63
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 142
RuFF_SC2 31
ProTech14
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 15198
Rain 2273
Artosis 622
Bale 18
League of Legends
Doublelift3772
Counter-Strike
taco 265
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox673
Mew2King192
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor981
Other Games
summit1g8558
Day[9].tv655
JimRising 542
PiGStarcraft334
C9.Mang0248
ArmadaUGS69
ViBE55
Organizations
Other Games
BasetradeTV178
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream87
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 146
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP50
• Letter141
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Day9tv655
• Scarra574
• Shiphtur191
Upcoming Events
Stellar Fest
11h 51m
OSC
20h 51m
CranKy Ducklings
1d 8h
Online Event
1d 9h
FEL
1d 14h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 15h
BSL: Ladder Tournament
1d 17h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
INu's Battles
2 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
[ Show More ]
BSL Open Qualifier
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Rush vs Light
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Soma vs Soulkey
INu's Battles
4 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
4 days
The PondCast
6 days
INu's Battles
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-30
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.