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Here is the thing about repeat rates.
First and foremost the 'advantage' will likely be negligible. Secondly the potential hindrance is the key double tapping, which could actually screw you up, because the game was designed with default windows settings in mind.
Past all of that aside from being a ladder hero, what's the point? Something like this won't make some random person with bronze skill suddenly GM. Even if you were say masters and this gave you a slight advantage to make it to say GM, what have you really accomplished? The moment your not on your own PC you are right back to square one.
I get why people hack, they don't care about being liked or good, they just want to troll or try to steal money in online competition.
What's the point of trying to find edges like this if they are no good outside of your house, and diminish any accomplishment they help you achieve?
If you want blizzards 'official stance' it's really simple. If you do anything out of the norm, and they decide to program the cheat detection to catch it and ban you, they can ban you. If something is a 'grey area' they will always without fail 100% say nothing. That way regardless of if they never ban, or do ban, they never said it was ok which leaves their option to ban completely open should they choose to.
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On August 19 2013 15:33 Nerski wrote:
Here is the thing about repeat rates.
First and foremost the 'advantage' will likely be negligible. Secondly the potential hindrance is the key double tapping, which could actually screw you up, because the game was designed with default windows settings in mind.
Past all of that aside from being a ladder hero, what's the point? Something like this won't make some random person with bronze skill suddenly GM. Even if you were say masters and this gave you a slight advantage to make it to say GM, what have you really accomplished? The moment your not on your own PC you are right back to square one.
I get why people hack, they don't care about being liked or good, they just want to troll or try to steal money in online competition.
What's the point of trying to find edges like this if they are no good outside of your house, and diminish any accomplishment they help you achieve?
If you want blizzards 'official stance' it's really simple. If you do anything out of the norm, and they decide to program the cheat detection to catch it and ban you, they can ban you. If something is a 'grey area' they will always without fail 100% say nothing. That way regardless of if they never ban, or do ban, they never said it was ok which leaves their option to ban completely open should they choose to.
the point is: why should it be a Grey area when macs and windows have different limits In the first place? Maybe different windows versions have different limits. And what is considered "normal" settings? Is going into the "terminal" for Mac, like command prompt for windows, considered normal or cheating? These are what I wish blizzard could put a stand on.
And as I was mentioning earlier, An extra 0.5s of paralysis when Morphing banelings for a pro-gamer can be a significant disadvantage. The difference will be at least a several seconds over a game if you talk about zergling production.
Regarding double tapping, this depends on your repeat delay, which you can adjust to what you're comfortable with and is completely independent from repeat rate...
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it's unnecessary and won't help much. JD, sarlett, soulkey don't need this to play well.
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 19 2013 22:21 dacimvrl wrote:
it's unnecessary and won't help much. JD, sarlett, soulkey don't need this to play well.
To be fair, i noticed that Soulkey seems to be using that hotkey trick for creep spread. So who the heck knows :D
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With the Zowie Celeritas you can actually set the key press repeat rate to 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x times.
But i don't think its helping too much, unless for some specific moments (making a ton of lings). Any time else you have to do precise amounts of units not just "ahh about 20ish drones"
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quick related question: is the keypress repeat rate different for different keys? I swear it takes ages to select all my idle workers using Ctrl + F1... <.<
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 19 2013 22:35 JustPassingBy wrote:
quick related question: is the keypress repeat rate different for different keys? I swear it takes ages to select all my idle workers using Ctrl + F1... <.<
keypress repeat rate is completely irrelevant to Ctrl-F1. It is just select all idle workers function being slow.
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Wouldn't this just cause problems elsewhere rather than helping you?
Like when you actually want a small group of 12 lings and end up with 40?
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On August 19 2013 22:37 Nekovivie wrote:
Wouldn't this just cause problems elsewhere rather than helping you?
Like when you actually want a small group of 12 lings and end up with 40?
When you want group of 12 lings you may just press z key 6 times. Holding it down no matter the settings will not get you 12 lings anyway :D. It is more troublesome with getting drones, should you have more than needed larvae :S
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It's kind of weird how many people are in this thread just to downplay this possibility. We have people saying that it's negligible but who are any of you to decide that? I don't think it's negligible at all. I also don't think that it is really worth pointing out that it's harder to be precise if you make these changes. That's really no different than saying that it's harder to be accurate with your mouse if you increase the sensitivity. Concluding that a person will actually become significantly inaccurate because they have made any such changes is bizarre in its inaccuracy.
The problem here is how arbitrary everyone is being in casting their judgements. Since when was there a real study into whether this is negligible or not? If it's really such an undesirable or useless feature, why is it offered with some keyboards which are marketed for gaming? Just some bogus feature that 'sounds' relevant but actually isn't? Why is it that you speak authoritatively when you declare that these differences are negligible? What if for some reason you had to play SC with more or less of a delay than everyone else? Would you still say it's negligible? Does it not depend on both the user, and the precise changes that are made? Because right now all that is being said is equivalent to: "Whatever changes you make, regardless of exactly what they are, and who is using them, and whether they actually do or don't have any drawbacks - it's all negligible, because I say so."
This sweeping dismissal of /any/ changes as /all/ being negligible is very poorly thought out, and it doesn't really contribute to a conversation that could instead be focused on the possibilities and relevance of things here. Personally, I find the default difference in Mac vs PC rates to be a very compelling fact. Not only do we have people dismissing the relevance of these differences as they might be pursued as advantages, creating disadvantages for others - people are also ignoring that that this kind of imbalance already exists between users simply from being on different platforms.
Personally, I would love to lower my delay and have faster rates of repetition when my keys are understood to be 'held down'. I know it would make a big difference at my level of play. It's constant. All that time adds up. I feel like only sub GM players would actually be so hasty to dismiss the relevance of the invaluable resource that is time / actions to spare, in the game that is Starcraft.
The only reason I'm not pursuing these changes right now is because of the grey area as to whether this is allowed or not, and knowing that it would be problematic to actually edit registries when I'm out of the house. I would have to edit them back, at the very least - and that's only if an uninformed admin/computer owner even thought it was allowable for me to change those settings to begin with.
It's a grey area, but it really shouldn't be. Because differences already exist, and this is truly a kind of change to our peripherals that is lateral to other settings for our peripherals - like mouse sentivitity. I think it's simply an oversight by Blizzard, and that if it were part of the in-game menu settings, you wouldn't have a single person in this thread talking about how it's all "negligible". What a bunch of poorly considered balogna.
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at tournaments there are always windows systems.
also over 99% progamers play starcraft 2 on windows.
thus should not be a problem at all
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On August 19 2013 22:43 winthrop wrote:
at tournaments there are always windows systems.
also over 99% progamers play starcraft 2 on windows.
thus should not be a problem at all
As pointed out by others, there are keyboards which allow increased repeat rates. Should these be banned from tournaments where you can use your own keyboard?
Personally I would love to see a patch which Gives a menu option to override O/S repeat delay and sensitivity, And allow faster repeat rates and repeat delays for everyone to even the playing field. No player should be handicapped or specially advantaged Because of certain hardware, software or settings if they can do something about it.
Even if it's for LotV or even sc3, I really would like to see this change (:
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