EPTWCS Finals stream viewer numbers (peak: 78k) - Page 7
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Exarl25
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Esoterikk
Canada1256 Posts
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:07 Exarl25 wrote: Regarding the drop in EU viewers remember that last season we had an Mvp vs Stephano finals. Foreigner vs Korean, two very popular players, most popular matchup. A PvP between two Koreans one of whom is not very well known is bound to have far less of a draw. True you can expect a drop due to the factors you mention, but a drop of almost 40% is massively worrying. | ||
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:08 Stijn wrote: Thanks revel8, good catch, I kind of threw together the OP quickly before I had to leave earlier today, sad to see I made some mistakes. I have updated the OP with your breakdown in it! Great work on compiling the data and presenting it to us via the graphs. The time stamps are useful, as you can see the rise and fall which correspond to downtimes between games withing a series and the larger drop as the downtimes between series. Didn't mean to be critical in pointing out the errors. Just that for statistical based conclusions, errors need to be corrected in order for maintain credibility and allow correct analysis. You've gone to a lot of work in compiling this data, would be unfortunate for it's results to be obscured due to some minor typos. The website is very impressive. A great resource for the community! | ||
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Justinian
United Kingdom158 Posts
One other thing that people don't tend to consider is that chat was in subs-only mode this time. I'm pretty sure that's been shown to decrease viewer numbers generally. People like to chat. | ||
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Blardy
United States290 Posts
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nicensleazy
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Season 1 AM day 2 peak: 65k Season 1 EU day 2 peak: 128k Just looking at those numbers revel8 posted it's interesting to note how day 1 numbers for EU were much closer to each other. Then on day 2 there's a massive gap. One scenario is that so many foreigners were knocked out for ro4 that many people who would've tuned in for just the final 3 or 4 games didn't bother. I think if the finals had been, say, Grubby vs Naniwa then somewhere nearer 100k peak wouldn't have been out of the question. Or Perhaps we're down to a core of about 40-50k 'diehards' that will watch the games no matter what and that the more casual fans have left for pastures new. I actually think the Gamescom finals can do very well, back to 100-120k if promoted correctly. Great player pool and there's a nice 2 week gap to build hype. | ||
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SheaR619
United States2399 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:43 Blardy wrote: Was I the only one that didnt watch a second of TI3? Apparently it seems as if everyone on here thinks the whole esports community watched it. well it did peak at 200,000-240,000 and easily stood over 100,000 viewer after bracket throughout the tournament. There was quiet a few people that watched and was probably one of the biggest esport event of the year so most esport fan in general watched some of it. | ||
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KaiserJohan
Sweden1808 Posts
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Sufinsil
United States760 Posts
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theking1
Romania658 Posts
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MasterCynical
505 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:07 Exarl25 wrote: Regarding the drop in EU viewers remember that last season we had an Mvp vs Stephano finals. Foreigner vs Korean, two very popular players, most popular matchup. A PvP between two Koreans one of whom is not very well known is bound to have far less of a draw. I just went to bed once all the PvPs started. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of other people did as well. | ||
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
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revel8
United Kingdom3022 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:48 nicensleazy wrote: Just to fill in some numbers: Season 1 AM day 2 peak: 65k Season 1 EU day 2 peak: 128k Just looking at those numbers revel8 posted it's interesting to note how day 1 numbers for EU were much closer to each other. Then on day 2 there's a massive gap. One scenario is that so many foreigners were knocked out for ro4 that many people who would've tuned in for just the final 3 or 4 games didn't bother. I think if the finals had been, say, Grubby vs Naniwa then somewhere nearer 100k peak wouldn't have been out of the question. Or Perhaps we're down to a core of about 40-50k 'diehards' that will watch the games no matter what and that the more casual fans have left for pastures new. I actually think the Gamescom finals can do very well, back to 100-120k if promoted correctly. Great player pool and there's a nice 2 week gap to build hype. Thanks for the peak numbers. | ||
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
On August 13 2013 06:43 Blardy wrote: Was I the only one that didnt watch a second of TI3? Apparently it seems as if everyone on here thinks the whole esports community watched it. you should definitely go watch the finals or at least the final game of the grand final. i dont follow dota2 or play at all but it was still v cool and nail biting  i think viewer numbers were surprisingly high for the finals in wcs eu considering pvp etc. actually pvp has gotten 10 times more fun to watch when people arent just sitting and building colossus anymore. i think region lock would be the one best thing to increase viewer numbers for the final play-offs however probably decrease in viewers when its not the final 16 players ofc sc2 is going down by each day in viewer count and player base but that shouldnt really come as a surprise to anyone, its a rts game after all. but some people here make it out to be that its actually dying quickly and its looking dire, which i think its not at all. people need to remember back in the day there werent this much content out there constantly to watch so when there actually was a big tour going on literally everyone tuned in while these days you can nitpick your favorite events and still have plenty of sc2 to watch | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
Considering all points give already, the numbers still seem good all in all. what i would really like to hear though from blizzard is if the current numbers are sustainable enough to keep WCS going, and possibly even expand to let's say SEA or South America ? And if these numbers are not what they were looking for how will they try and improve on it. | ||
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teddyoojo
Germany22369 Posts
On August 12 2013 23:14 iKill wrote: I think we reached 400k concurrents at a Dreamhack once... thats about 4 times too much | ||
Destructicon
4713 Posts
On August 12 2013 23:09 USvBleakill wrote: Another example of Foreigners > Highest level of play in terms of viewership. I think if SC2 wants to genereate as much viewers as possible they have to make EU foreigner exclusive. Maybe, because Korean WCS is way harder they could just cut WCS NA (besides 1 or 2 players the NA scene is just loughable) and put this money to korea to balance the higher skill requirments. How the heck did you arrive at that conclusion? In WCS EU the Grand Finals had more viewers then in the Grubby series, also this season of WCS ran at the same time as TI3, which generated enormous numbers, not to mention the number of PvP that could have put off many viewers too. There are far too many variables here and as much as I disagree with Blizz not region locking, this certainly isn't concrete evidence they should. | ||
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Justinian
United Kingdom158 Posts
I heard somewhere that the highest ever was an Idra game at MLG in 2011, with about 140k. | ||
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