EPTFeatured Stream Policy Update - Page 8
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DusTerr
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mouzStarbuck
Slovenia17 Posts
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
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JBright
Vancouver14381 Posts
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Blitz
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bGr.MetHiX
Bulgaria511 Posts
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Specialist
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2399 Posts
On July 08 2013 04:40 starslayer wrote: sorry but have to ask why is flo featured? what has she done not in wcs not many viewers didnt do well in mlg jw its a question not bashing just facts Because she has a good stream, decent viewer count, and was the first woman represented as a competitive player in the 'foreign' scene | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:36 SpecialistSc wrote: More girls needs to be featured Just before scarlett posted... On topic: Um, I emailed you guys about being featured... what constitutes "high viewers"? I am a caster that is basically "Hit or miss" decent. I have good play by play, but run-of-the-mill analytical skills. Other: I run ESLTaiwan channel on twitch.tv. Can I have my twitch.tv/enders116 account featured on the front page instead? | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2399 Posts
What's that mean O_O | ||
Waxangel
United States33627 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:30 Blitz wrote: I think its a bit presumptuous to say that being a female gets you viewers. no one is saying this | ||
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Blitz
United States706 Posts
I hear you look like me. I get called wax at an event 3-4 times | ||
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Scarlett`
Korea (South)2399 Posts
uh :/ On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote: Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. On July 08 2013 00:10 Bagi wrote: All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too. I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this. | ||
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starslayer
United States696 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:04 Acer.Scarlett` wrote: Because she has a good stream, decent viewer count, and was the first woman represented as a competitive player in the 'foreign' scene yea your right she does have a good viewer count last couple times ive seen only like 200 but its like 600 700 now so nvm | ||
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Assirra
Belgium4169 Posts
On July 08 2013 06:34 Blitz wrote: I hear you look like me. I get called wax at an event 3-4 times Better read the last couple pages, its one of the main topics in the thread. | ||
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kaluro
Netherlands760 Posts
On July 08 2013 05:30 Blitz wrote: I think its a bit presumptuous to say that being a female gets you viewers. The novelty of it wears off for most people quite quickly. If you just offer looks, unless you're ultra nerd tier / loner, it'll get old staring at a girl playing a game at a mediocre / awful level. I think it helps to bring people in at first sure, but you still have to be moderately entertaining and decent to retain an audience. Plenty of female streamers that get 100-300 viewers, but it takes skill and at least some talent to get past that threshold of just being a female streamer. Sucks to undermine achievements based on being a girl gamer TT Lets look at it differently. I'll take myself for example: I am a mid masters zerg player that has a really aggressive playstyle and doesn't play by the book at all. I run a 720p 60fps stream with HQ sound, custom UI, HD cam and everything. I get what, 40 viewers on a good day. My guess is that if I were to be a cute girl, I would be hitting >100 viewers, at the very least. What lead me to this guess is that most of the female streams that are out there which I have watched, have less to offer than a lot of male counterpart streams, yet the females get 10 times the viewers, if not more. Their skill level would be worse, the stream quality would be worse and the commentary insight would be inferior. I have no problem with female streamer, hell I encourage them even! and I mean no disrespect to them either. But at the lower tier streams (as in viewers, since superb quality streams can still only have small viewer amounts), being a female gives you such a significant boost in viewercount, that you can't possibly say it has no correlation. | ||
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ChristianS
United States3304 Posts
On July 08 2013 09:26 kaluro wrote: Lets look at it differently. I'll take myself for example: I am a mid masters zerg player that has a really aggressive playstyle and doesn't play by the book at all. I run a 720p 60fps stream with HQ sound, custom UI, HD cam and everything. I get what, 40 viewers on a good day. My guess is that if I were to be a cute girl, I would be hitting >100 viewers, at the very least. What lead me to this guess is that most of the female streams that are out there which I have watched, have less to offer than a lot of male counterpart streams, yet the females get 10 times the viewers, if not more. Their skill level would be worse, the stream quality would be worse and the commentary insight would be inferior. I have no problem with female streamer, hell I encourage them even! and I mean no disrespect to them either. But at the lower tier streams (as in viewers, since superb quality streams can still only have small viewer amounts), being a female gives you such a significant boost in viewercount, that you can't possibly say it has no correlation. So? I mean that's all very interesting, even if there's a fair amount of guess work in that analysis, but even if it does turn out that for small-time streamers being a girl helps a fair amount – what's your point? Life isn't fair? Viewers are superficial? You'd probably also get more viewers if you were stunningly attractive, or if you had an interesting accent, or if you were some famous person's brother, but so what? Edit: Not trying to be antagonizing or something, so sorry if it came off that way. I just feel like it'd be pretty obnoxious if an otherwise-qualified female streamer didn't get featured because people were worried her viewers were watching her for the wrong reasons. | ||
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ROOTSpyte
Canada3 Posts
On July 08 2013 09:26 kaluro wrote: Lets look at it differently. I'll take myself for example: I am a mid masters zerg player that has a really aggressive playstyle and doesn't play by the book at all. I run a 720p 60fps stream with HQ sound, custom UI, HD cam and everything. I get what, 40 viewers on a good day. My guess is that if I were to be a cute girl, I would be hitting >100 viewers, at the very least. What lead me to this guess is that most of the female streams that are out there which I have watched, have less to offer than a lot of male counterpart streams, yet the females get 10 times the viewers, if not more. Their skill level would be worse, the stream quality would be worse and the commentary insight would be inferior. I have no problem with female streamer, hell I encourage them even! and I mean no disrespect to them either. But at the lower tier streams (as in viewers, since superb quality streams can still only have small viewer amounts), being a female gives you such a significant boost in viewercount, that you can't possibly say it has no correlation. It doesn't look like you stream often, 12 times total, about 2 streams a month. I averaged much less than 100 viewers for my first few months, streaming 3-5 times a week. It took me two years to get to where I am now, I started in November 2011. Quality is good to have, but I'd argue that the most important thing in developing a fanbase is streaming consistently and interacting with chat, which I understand is difficult because I'm a full time student and chat is not always kind. Females don't get 10x as many viewers as males, that's kind of silly to say, very few break 1k, and a lot sit at <100. Streaming can be stressful, but those that succeed work hard at either improving as a player or improving as a streamer. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46052 Posts
On July 07 2013 19:33 ACrow wrote: That's a dangerous territory to enter, as it is quite subjective. I guess nobody would disagree that avilo balance whines a LOT, but so does i.e. Idra. Where do you draw the line? I agree that balance whining is not a good indicator of whether or not to feature people. I think results, accomplishments, and number of viewers are far more important. | ||
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Pursuit_
United States1330 Posts
On July 08 2013 12:03 Ms.Spyte wrote: It doesn't look like you stream often, 12 times total, about 2 streams a month. I averaged much less than 100 viewers for my first few months, streaming 3-5 times a week. It took me two years to get to where I am now, I started in November 2011. Quality is good to have, but I'd argue that the most important thing in developing a fanbase is streaming consistently and interacting with chat, which I understand is difficult because I'm a full time student and chat is not always kind. Females don't get 10x as many viewers as males, that's kind of silly to say, very few break 1k, and a lot sit at <100. Streaming can be stressful, but those that succeed work hard at either improving as a player or improving as a streamer. Pretty much this. Being a girl is no more advantage than having any other unique aspect to your stream (i.e. grandmasters, black, mech only, aggressive play, free coaching, even being a sponsored / pro player). It's a way to get your foot in the door, a tagline if you will, but just like anything else it's only through consistency and putting in effort to improve your stream that you're going to get higher stream views. I followed MsSpyte ~ a year ago for awhile and really enjoyed her stream, but she averaged <100 viewers. Many (if not most) pro players get less than her now because they don't stream consistently and dont interact with their audience, and I would say being a pro player is a much bigger 'advantage' to getting people to check out your stream than being a girl. | ||
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