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On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position.
Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird?
Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit.
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On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit.
If she meets the criteria for being featured she should be featured. It doesn't really matter how a streamer gets their viewers.
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On July 07 2013 23:23 Willba wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. If she meets the criteria for being featured she should be featured. It doesn't really matter how a streamer gets their viewers.
Technically yeah, you are right.
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On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit.
Pretty sure it's just you
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So given the new criteria does this mean Testie will be featured? I remember seeing him streaming HoN with over 1500 viewers every time I looked into unfeatured.
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On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you
I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl.
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On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl.
It's not a chance, it's a certainty.
Be realistic.
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On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic.
If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism.
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On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism.
Oh boy here we go again...
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On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic.
Please take your sexism back to reddit mate
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On July 08 2013 00:02 MasterOfPuppets wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism. Oh boy here we go again...
I am not saying that he is being sexist in this case, to be clear. I have never watched MsSpyte's stream and she may be really playing into the girl gamer thing. I am just pointing out that TL should consider everyone who has a high enough viewer count. Balance whiners and Girly gamers should all be treated equally under the featured streaming policy.
Edit: It is pretty clear that Scarlett has made her decision, however.
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On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism.
All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too.
I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this.
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On July 08 2013 00:10 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism. All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too. I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this.
You need to be clear when you stay stuff like that then. And I am with you that TL that maybe shouldn't feature a female player who always plays in a low cut top and her interaction is stream chat is super creepy(those streamers are real). However, TL is about enjoying SC2 and Dota 2 at all levels. They have a professional team for both SC2 and Dota 2. But there is also a section of the community that plays the games for fun on the weekend. Some people like watching Grubby play 2v2s with his wife because its adorable. Sometimes it is nice just to watch someone fucking around and enjoying the game too.
There is no reason both audiences can't be served.
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Pretty much this
Besides if you start making exceptions to your own set of criteria to rule out some people, you'll end up making more exceptions and end up with no diversity whatsoever.
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I hope Weedamins gets featured as well. He averages 300+ viewers, talks to his viewers and has the most fun sc2 stream out there (oh and has the best music, yes even better then TLO :D)
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On July 08 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:10 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism. All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too. I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this. You need to be clear when you stay stuff like that then. And I am with you that TL that maybe shouldn't feature a female player who always plays in a low cut top and her interaction is stream chat is super creepy(those streamers are real). However, TL is about enjoying SC2 and Dota 2 at all levels. They have a professional team for both SC2 and Dota 2. But there is also a section of the community that plays the games for fun on the weekend. Some people like watching Grubby play 2v2s with his wife because its adorable. Sometimes it is nice just to watch someone fucking around and enjoying the game too. There is no reason both audiences can't be served.
LOL I was actually considering making my argument based on her.
Its a tricky situation where you draw the line, I have nothing against Spyte but if she was featured I would feel it was not on her own merits. I guess that's why she is on the waiting list and not yet featured despite having more viewers than most.
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On July 08 2013 00:28 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2013 00:10 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism. All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too. I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this. You need to be clear when you stay stuff like that then. And I am with you that TL that maybe shouldn't feature a female player who always plays in a low cut top and her interaction is stream chat is super creepy(those streamers are real). However, TL is about enjoying SC2 and Dota 2 at all levels. They have a professional team for both SC2 and Dota 2. But there is also a section of the community that plays the games for fun on the weekend. Some people like watching Grubby play 2v2s with his wife because its adorable. Sometimes it is nice just to watch someone fucking around and enjoying the game too. There is no reason both audiences can't be served. LOL I was actually considering making my argument based on her. Its a tricky situation where you draw the line, I have nothing against Spyte but if she was featured I would feel it was not on her own merits. I guess that's why she is on the waiting list and not yet featured despite having more viewers than most.
What do you mean by "on her merits"? What counts as a merit here? If the only thing that makes you "deserve" to be featured is top-level play, then we should get rid of all the foreigner streams, because the only reason that they get more viewers than random mid-level Koreans is because of their race/nationality/language. Tournaments are meant to reward high-level players, and they should only care about that. Being good at streaming isn't about being good at the game - that's only one small component. It's also about being entertaining. And being entertaining relies on any number of things that aren't in your control. The entertainment industry is pretty much the only industry allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender/looks/race/etc. TL isn't trying to impose their idea of who people should like to watch. They are providing viewers a way to find the people that they do like to watch.
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On July 08 2013 00:38 aristarchus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:28 Bagi wrote:On July 08 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2013 00:10 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:[quote]We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism. All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too. I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this. You need to be clear when you stay stuff like that then. And I am with you that TL that maybe shouldn't feature a female player who always plays in a low cut top and her interaction is stream chat is super creepy(those streamers are real). However, TL is about enjoying SC2 and Dota 2 at all levels. They have a professional team for both SC2 and Dota 2. But there is also a section of the community that plays the games for fun on the weekend. Some people like watching Grubby play 2v2s with his wife because its adorable. Sometimes it is nice just to watch someone fucking around and enjoying the game too. There is no reason both audiences can't be served. LOL I was actually considering making my argument based on her. Its a tricky situation where you draw the line, I have nothing against Spyte but if she was featured I would feel it was not on her own merits. I guess that's why she is on the waiting list and not yet featured despite having more viewers than most. What do you mean by "on her merits"? What counts as a merit here? If the only thing that makes you "deserve" to be featured is top-level play, then we should get rid of all the foreigner streams, because the only reason that they get more viewers than random mid-level Koreans is because of their race/nationality/language. Tournaments are meant to reward high-level players, and they should only care about that. Being good at streaming isn't about being good at the game - that's only one small component. It's also about being entertaining. And being entertaining relies on any number of things that aren't in your control. The entertainment industry is pretty much the only industry allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender/looks/race/etc. TL isn't trying to impose their idea of who people should like to watch. They are providing viewers a way to find the people that they do like to watch.
Twitch is already giving people what they do want to watch, they are sorting streamers by viewer numbers and nothing else.
"What counts as a merit here"? That is the eternal question.
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On July 08 2013 00:10 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 09:57 Plexa wrote:On July 07 2013 09:42 avilo wrote:
We require a fairly high average viewer count before considering adding streams that do not meet WCS requirements (or are an appropriate fit for other). While you may have gotten a 500 viewer peak, your average sits at 173. For instance, Ms.Spyte is sitting around 1k average unfeatured right now, she is at the top of the list in terms of consideration for being added. There are also a few other unfeatured streams who maintain better averages than you, who also are higher on the priority list that you. If you are looking to make a case for being featured then aim for the top 50 streams. If you get on that list (not just the viewers*hours rating) let us know and we may reconsider our position. Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird? Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism. All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too. I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this.
If you're against people being featured by popularity rather than skill then just say that:/ Why do you have to bring up the whole girl vs boy issue in which case I'd argue that it's more of a deterrent given the massive amount of unfiltered misogyny in the online gaming communities
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On July 08 2013 00:43 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2013 00:38 aristarchus wrote:On July 08 2013 00:28 Bagi wrote:On July 08 2013 00:18 Plansix wrote:On July 08 2013 00:10 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:56 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:51 Bagi wrote:On July 07 2013 23:46 Plansix wrote:On July 07 2013 23:30 Acer.Scarlett` wrote:On July 07 2013 23:04 Bagi wrote:
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Is it just me or is the idea of MsSpyte getting featured really weird?
Its literally people watching her because "omg its a gurl gamer" and I'm not sure why a site like TL would encourage that kind of behaviour. Maybe if she joined a pro team and even tried playing in some tournaments, she would seem more legit. Pretty sure it's just you I am with Scarlett here, I am not willing to make value judgments on streamers, specifically in the "omg its a gurl gamer" cases. There could be a very talented female player and may also be entertaining and funny. I am not willing to write of a player just because there is a chance people are only watching her because she is a girl. It's not a chance, it's a certainty. Be realistic. If you are willing to write her off just because she is a woman, that is your problem. And you should really think about the idea that TL shouldn't feature female streamers because we just assume that all their viewers are due to them being a woman. You can claim "being realistic" all you want, but at a certain point assuming something based solely on the gender of a person becomes sexism. All I'm saying in "be realistic" is that she's getting the viewers because she is a girl, there is no doubt about it. I'm not trying to discredit her in any other way. If anything prefer equal treatment and if some mid-masters dude managed to get a thousand viewers without having any actual relevance to the scene, I would argue against him getting featured too. I love girl gamers and especially Scarlett even when she doesn't agree with me, but I think some control needs to be had as long as TL.net is pushing the progamer agenda instead of being a pure popularity contest. Twitch already exists to do that. I hope you don't assume I'm sexist because of this. You need to be clear when you stay stuff like that then. And I am with you that TL that maybe shouldn't feature a female player who always plays in a low cut top and her interaction is stream chat is super creepy(those streamers are real). However, TL is about enjoying SC2 and Dota 2 at all levels. They have a professional team for both SC2 and Dota 2. But there is also a section of the community that plays the games for fun on the weekend. Some people like watching Grubby play 2v2s with his wife because its adorable. Sometimes it is nice just to watch someone fucking around and enjoying the game too. There is no reason both audiences can't be served. LOL I was actually considering making my argument based on her. Its a tricky situation where you draw the line, I have nothing against Spyte but if she was featured I would feel it was not on her own merits. I guess that's why she is on the waiting list and not yet featured despite having more viewers than most. What do you mean by "on her merits"? What counts as a merit here? If the only thing that makes you "deserve" to be featured is top-level play, then we should get rid of all the foreigner streams, because the only reason that they get more viewers than random mid-level Koreans is because of their race/nationality/language. Tournaments are meant to reward high-level players, and they should only care about that. Being good at streaming isn't about being good at the game - that's only one small component. It's also about being entertaining. And being entertaining relies on any number of things that aren't in your control. The entertainment industry is pretty much the only industry allowed to discriminate on the basis of gender/looks/race/etc. TL isn't trying to impose their idea of who people should like to watch. They are providing viewers a way to find the people that they do like to watch. Twitch is already giving people what they do want to watch, they are sorting streamers by viewer numbers and nothing else. "What counts as a merit here"? That is the eternal question.
But not really one we need to answer here. Suffice to say not everyone makes their stream appealing by pure high-level play; lots of streamers get viewers by being entertaining, having a fun personality, and keeping the stream consistently exciting. Determining what exactly it is that makes those streams appealing would be difficult, but there's no need to, because you only need to know THAT they're appealing to determine if they should be featured. Someone being a girl doesn't stop them from being entertaining, having a fun personality, or keeping the stream consistently exciting. So I don't quite know what additional hurdle you want people to clear before getting featured.
Twitch also offers a way to search through current streams, yes. I don't quite know what you think it proves that another website offers a similar service, and bases that service on viewer numbers. Plenty of people still like to use the TL featured streams to find something to watch, as demonstrated by the fact that when a stream gets featured it jumps in viewer counts quite a bit.
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