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mostevil
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom611 Posts
July 07 2013 08:42 GMT
#81
Any chance you could look at separating tournament cast streams from player streams on the events section (or just stopping players appearing as tournament streams). It's not always obvious.

It generally feels very gimmicky US player weighted as things stand.
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winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
July 07 2013 08:53 GMT
#82
yay,
its time to remove some unknown dota/lol streams(those in lower viewers)
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dashiz
Profile Joined August 2010
Costa Rica193 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 09:16:17
July 07 2013 09:11 GMT
#83
Why the hell is protech still featured then? :s

Also why is destiny still featured and testie is not? they were both from the Starcraft community and now they dont play anything featured in TL
ibo422
Profile Joined April 2012
Belgium2844 Posts
July 07 2013 09:22 GMT
#84
I like the new policy. It's indeed more generous and gives more opportunities to the players.

Have an extraordinary amount of viewers on your own merits. This doesn't happen often but occasionally people will grow their stream to have several hundred viewers at all times and this is worth consideration.

I would preferred to see a number on this for it to be more clear and objective. 500+? 600+? 1k+? Other than this, good update.
Vanimar
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
220 Posts
July 07 2013 09:27 GMT
#85
I was wondering, should the required user number be related to the language used in the stream?
Obviously english is the to go language, yet there are some streams in german, french, russian... which do feature their native tongue. And to a specific audience (people not very fluid in english) this seems to be a good feature.
However, due to the size of the country and the amount of people in the 14-30 year range, the viewer numbers will be influenced. I think that TL should consider this variable to ensure, that at least a couple of streams of each language (that are active of course) should be featured, even if they are slightly below what you would normally need.
It's kind of like the quota for women in upper management, it is essential to "enforce" good things for more people to see the benefits. Also I think it could help grow regional esports szenes for smaller countries.
Just an Idea to be less "elitist" and more open to a larger and younger audience.
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sabas123
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands3122 Posts
July 07 2013 09:33 GMT
#86
does these changes also effect the featured streams for broodwar?
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reps)Defi
Profile Joined September 2007
Russian Federation337 Posts
July 07 2013 09:40 GMT
#87
On July 07 2013 18:33 sabas123 wrote:
does these changes also effect the featured streams for broodwar?


i think we can "several hundred of viewers" in BW only if Flash will start streaming BW (or JD switches back to BW :D )
Geschan
Profile Joined September 2010
69 Posts
July 07 2013 09:41 GMT
#88
On July 07 2013 09:28 ROOTNathanias wrote:
Looks like I need to go wreck some qualifiers

You made it to DH Summer Final, should be enough to get you featured!
Fistro
Profile Joined March 2011
45 Posts
July 07 2013 09:48 GMT
#89
On July 07 2013 08:27 Heyoka wrote:

Ways To Qualify For A Feature:
  • Be in any region's WCS system. This includes Premier and Challenger Leagues.
  • Have an appearance in the Round of 16 of any premier tournaments as defined by Liquipedia.
  • Have an extraordinary amount of viewers on your own merits. This doesn't happen often but occasionally people will grow their stream to have several hundred viewers at all times and this is worth consideration.
In addition we'll be removing people more regularly. Following each season's WCS qualifiers we will go through and remove from the featured list any players that no longer meet the above requirements and have fewer than 300 average viewers on their stream (though this exact number is subject to change with more research). This means that while in WCS any player will remain featured but it is possible to drop off the list should they be eliminated from Challenger League. For the number reporting we will be using a tool that tracks viewer counts while the stream is live on TeamLiquid, which all streamers will have access to seeing in the near future - it is very similar to the twitch dashboard but on some occasions will report slightly different averages.



Are these requirements or/or/or and and/and/and ?
Khai
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia551 Posts
July 07 2013 10:02 GMT
#90
Fair policy, good to see TL promoting worthwhile streamers for free and doing it in a structured way.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 07 2013 10:07 GMT
#91
On July 07 2013 18:48 Fistro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 08:27 Heyoka wrote:

Ways To Qualify For A Feature:
  • Be in any region's WCS system. This includes Premier and Challenger Leagues.
  • Have an appearance in the Round of 16 of any premier tournaments as defined by Liquipedia.
  • Have an extraordinary amount of viewers on your own merits. This doesn't happen often but occasionally people will grow their stream to have several hundred viewers at all times and this is worth consideration.
In addition we'll be removing people more regularly. Following each season's WCS qualifiers we will go through and remove from the featured list any players that no longer meet the above requirements and have fewer than 300 average viewers on their stream (though this exact number is subject to change with more research). This means that while in WCS any player will remain featured but it is possible to drop off the list should they be eliminated from Challenger League. For the number reporting we will be using a tool that tracks viewer counts while the stream is live on TeamLiquid, which all streamers will have access to seeing in the near future - it is very similar to the twitch dashboard but on some occasions will report slightly different averages.



Are these requirements or/or/or and and/and/and ?

or/or/or
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Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
July 07 2013 10:08 GMT
#92
On July 07 2013 09:07 ChristianS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 08:56 Nuclease wrote:
On July 07 2013 08:30 intense555 wrote:
Feature avilo! Also feature ClarityBails, he was challenger league last season. Neeb too.


Please not avilo...

Not to player bash, but that player has had more problems on TL.net, SotG, etc. etc. than almost anyone else. He's a master at pissing people off and getting into ragefests.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think balance whining or pissing people off should matter in whether someone is a featured streamer.


I disagree
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
July 07 2013 10:22 GMT
#93
Good stuff!Love the changes!:D
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myRZeth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1047 Posts
July 07 2013 10:27 GMT
#94
On July 07 2013 08:30 intense555 wrote:
Feature avilo! Also feature ClarityBails, he was challenger league last season. Neeb too.


definetly not, avilo is THE balance whiner alive
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
July 07 2013 10:30 GMT
#95
What about Liquid players? You add them always, right? I guess currently all Liquid players make that list on their on merit, but if, let's say Sheth comes back into active state, he'd be added?
Get off my lawn, young punks
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
July 07 2013 10:33 GMT
#96
On July 07 2013 19:27 myRZeth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 08:30 intense555 wrote:
Feature avilo! Also feature ClarityBails, he was challenger league last season. Neeb too.


definetly not, avilo is THE balance whiner alive

That's a dangerous territory to enter, as it is quite subjective. I guess nobody would disagree that avilo balance whines a LOT, but so does i.e. Idra. Where do you draw the line?
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ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States435 Posts
July 07 2013 10:54 GMT
#97
On July 07 2013 19:33 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 19:27 myRZeth wrote:
On July 07 2013 08:30 intense555 wrote:
Feature avilo! Also feature ClarityBails, he was challenger league last season. Neeb too.


definetly not, avilo is THE balance whiner alive

That's a dangerous territory to enter, as it is quite subjective. I guess nobody would disagree that avilo balance whines a LOT, but so does i.e. Idra. Where do you draw the line?



Thumbs up on this, been waiting for someone to say something like this for a long time.
ChristianS
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3188 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-07 12:18:50
July 07 2013 10:56 GMT
#98
On July 07 2013 19:33 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 07 2013 19:27 myRZeth wrote:
On July 07 2013 08:30 intense555 wrote:
Feature avilo! Also feature ClarityBails, he was challenger league last season. Neeb too.


definetly not, avilo is THE balance whiner alive

That's a dangerous territory to enter, as it is quite subjective. I guess nobody would disagree that avilo balance whines a LOT, but so does i.e. Idra. Where do you draw the line?

Yeah, I really don't think the featured streams section should be a method Team Liquid uses to reward or punish players for acting responsibly. It's just a list of streams that are significant in some way, either because that player has achieved some tournament results, or because their stream has pretty good content and a high viewer count. I get that avilo is unpopular, but that shouldn't matter for featured stream purposes. Defeaturing someone for balance whining or some other frowned-upon behavior is comparable to defeaturing Stephano because he has an alcohol problem. Doesn't matter if it's true, it's not relevant.

+ Show Spoiler +
Not saying Stephano DOES have an alcohol problem, just needed an example.


And to be clear, I'm just disagreeing with some other people in this thread. As far as I can tell, TL is doing exactly what they should with the list, and this new policy should help some new and promising streamers make it up there, which is nice.

Edit:
On July 07 2013 20:42 murphs wrote:
The desperation of avilo and his fanboys makes me cringe.

Sorry, what are you referring to? The person one page 1 who wanted him to be featured? Or me saying balance whining shouldn't be relevant for whether or not someone is a featured streamer? Not that it matters, but I don't think I could be considered an "avilo fanboy" by any stretch of the imagination. I think his comments regarding balance and/or game design tend to be overdramatic and he's usually wrong. I've never seen his stream, and don't know his viewer numbers, so I don't personally have any idea whether he should be featured. I hear he uses nukes a lot, so that's cool I guess.
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity." -Robert J. Hanlon
murphs
Profile Joined April 2011
Ireland417 Posts
July 07 2013 11:42 GMT
#99
The desperation of avilo and his fanboys makes me cringe.
Aveng3r
Profile Joined February 2012
United States2411 Posts
July 07 2013 12:44 GMT
#100
On July 07 2013 20:42 murphs wrote:
The desperation of avilo and his fanboys makes me cringe.

its nauseating. everywhere you go hes recruiting people to sing his praises.
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