Please not avilo...

Not to player bash, but that player has had more problems on TL.net, SotG, etc. etc. than almost anyone else. He's a master at pissing people off and getting into ragefests.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think balance whining or pissing people off should matter in whether someone is a featured streamer. Featured streams isn't meant to reward or punish members of the community for being well-mannered. It's supposed to highlight members of the community that are either very skilled or otherwise influential with their stream. For instance, defeaturing IdrA after any of his million instances of pissing people off and balance whining would have been atrocious.

Banning people on TL.net, on the other hand, is a perfectly appropriate response to someone behaving badly on TL.net. I have no idea if or how often avilo has been banned, but IdrA has been banned plenty of times.

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

July 07 2013 00:07 GMT

#23

On July 07 2013 09:00 vorxaw wrote:

Show nested quote +

Really have to agree with this fellow. Is there any way to make this option more visible?

I probably watched streams for a whole year before I knew about this option; it would have saved me sooooo much time when i had to check if some of the non-featured-but-very-enjoyable streams were on or not.

Other than that I appreciate the fluidity and look forward to discovering new streams.

An easy solution would be to have the "Favorites" section constantly visible on the sidebar even if a user doesn't have any Favorite Streams or Favorite Streams that are live.

Or have a little section at the end that says "Add Favorites" below the "Show X non-featured" bracket.

MasterOfPuppets

Romania6942 Posts

July 07 2013 00:11 GMT

#24

On July 07 2013 08:30 Torte de Lini wrote:
yes, thank you.

I had my qualms of the new system that was in place, but as it expanded and moved along; I ended up being quite satisfied. Lately, my biggest complaint has been how slow things have been changing. Players like Protech were still featured despite being irrelevant for months (even a year?). I like this will be more in-line with WCS without sacrificing the merits of achievements in non-WCS events (DH/MLG).

you can go ahead and feature me btw, I don't mind.

Not to be a dick, but when was ProTech ever relevant? All I remember is trying to watch his stream some 2 years ago and it was only 2v2s and him raging in arcade... Like, did the guy ever try to compete in this game or? ~_~

Overall good news! Hopefully Hui will finally get featured, as well as some of the European casting streams!

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

July 07 2013 00:16 GMT

#25

Avilo is a fringe figure in the community, IdrA is well known and at it's center.

His fanbase is in it's own corner, (intentionally or unintentionally) he's constantly polluting the featured thread with 1 post accounts, and he's often a disruption to the moderator team. There's not a lot of incentive for teamliquid to feature him.

On the other hand, he has a lot of friction with the pillars of the community, a lot of visible friction that casts him as delusional, angry and unreasonable. Would it really be worthwhile for teamliquid to introduce it's site traffic to such a person?

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

July 07 2013 00:16 GMT

#26

Team Liquid is an old boy's club. Although they try and be fair and provide a good experience/service to all of it's members and the community (and they do), at the end of the day they're going to make decisions between themselves, and if Incontrol says that Avilo is trash or the moderator team protests after banning him so many times for disruption, they're going to weigh those opinions more heavily than Avilo's moderator team.

oOOoOphidian

United States1402 Posts

July 07 2013 00:21 GMT

#27

Great changes. This will shake some people who really aren't worth watching anymore, so they will have to still have good streams to get it. I hope this encourages good players who have a result in WCS to stream as well.

nakedsurfer

Canada500 Posts

July 07 2013 00:21 GMT

#28

Ms.Spyte should probably get featured soon then. She consistantly has a high viewer count. I don't watch her stream but I always see her on the top streamers thread every month

Gamegene

United States8308 Posts

July 07 2013 00:22 GMT

#29

Personally I think Avilo is a smart Terran, who does have valid and reasonable points behind his emotions. However how he presents his opinions is quite frankly annoying.

If people really want Avilo on the featured list, I hope he moves up the sidebar and advances his career through his own merit and achievements, rather than his personality because I don't see it working out.

User was warned for triple posting

Torte de Lini

Germany38463 Posts

July 07 2013 00:22 GMT

#30

why am I not featured? I'm a challenger of challenger of the challenger league

qiza

Germany37 Posts

July 07 2013 00:24 GMT

#31

Add KnowMe . He hosts ahead of the meta and casts and plays so feature him!!!

nkr

Sweden5451 Posts

July 07 2013 00:27 GMT

#32

On July 07 2013 09:24 qiza wrote:
Add KnowMe . He hosts ahead of the meta and casts and plays so feature him!!!

Telling them to feature someone is kind of pointless. If he meets the criteria he will, if not... well yeah

Nathanias

United States290 Posts

July 07 2013 00:28 GMT

#33

Looks like I need to go wreck some qualifiers

xsnac

Barbados1365 Posts

July 07 2013 00:30 GMT

#34

ProTech ... this guy has nothing . no results no viwers . he rages and insults while streaming . do he pay you guys to feature him ? or what ? like streaming 2v2 with no partner most of times is not something "interesting or competitive" and he rushes most of games aswel i dont understand .. is not even fun to watch this guy why is he featured ?

Eggi

478 Posts

July 07 2013 00:34 GMT

#35

well technically he is the only 2v2 streamer out there.
that has some market-ish
not everyone in sc2 is 1v1 uber competative

soapyy.

United States103 Posts

July 07 2013 00:36 GMT

#36

Awesome! Thanks for the update

ClairvoyanceSC2

United States758 Posts

July 07 2013 00:37 GMT

#37

Is there a list I can see who is featured or not ?

MasterOfPuppets

Romania6942 Posts

July 07 2013 00:37 GMT

#38

On July 07 2013 09:34 SoOJuuu wrote:
well technically he is the only 2v2 streamer out there.
that has some market-ish
not everyone in sc2 is 1v1 uber competative

Doesn't have many viewers either, certainly not "an extraordinary amount of viewers". Which is why this is so strange. :/

shizaep

Canada2920 Posts

July 07 2013 00:38 GMT

#39

Sounds very fair to me. Gives fresh new talent a chance to build up a fanbase and break into the scene while forcing the old school streamers to step up their game.

avilo

United States4100 Posts

July 07 2013 00:42 GMT

#40

My "opinions" and posts should have nothing to do with my stream being featured. This was my max concurrents from the entire last month, which was many times over 400+ viewers:

http://i.imgur.com/FR23W0K.png

There's a few featured streams that cannot match that even.

That is objectivity, it's the numbers. I have a fanbase, as well as the skill, as i regularly play other featured streamers and have beaten them before.

It also meets:

On July 07 2013 08:27 Heyoka wrote:
Ways To Qualify For A Feature:

Have an extraordinary amount of viewers on your own merits. This doesn't happen often but occasionally people will grow their stream to have several hundred viewers at all times and this is worth consideration.

I have spoken to TL many times about being featured. They regularly feature people with less viewers than myself...so what do i have to do to be featured here? This is a brick wall for me and it has been for quite a while. There literally is only 1 qualifiers every 6-8 months for WCS, and if you do not get through a 512 man bracket with PROGAMER koreans...

example: earlier today beat a chinese pro 2-1 in the qualifier bracket, then lost 1-2 to Golden (progamer korean who is paid and probably is able to play 8+ hrs per day).

I would like some objectivity here from TL - my stream has had the numbers for a while (it did over 2 years ago when i originally was requesting to get featured).

I shouldn't have to join EG or TL to get featured here, as that seems to be one of the few ways -_- It's quite frustrating and depressing that even when I hit high viewer counts it's not objectively looked at. I'm 25, i work part time, i am trying to do SC2 full time and being featured here is literally one of the only road blocks to allowing me to do this full time.