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Absentia
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom973 Posts
June 15 2013 08:34 GMT
#361
Some of the replies in this thread to the cloak banshee change are hiliarious.
The unit has barely been used in HotS and both Protoss and Zerg have been given tools to either scout it easier or defend it easier.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 15 2013 08:38 GMT
#362
On June 15 2013 17:34 Absentia wrote:
Some of the replies in this thread to the cloak banshee change are hiliarious.
The unit has barely been used in HotS and both Protoss and Zerg have been given tools to either scout it easier or defend it easier.


I agree. If anything, the change is silly because it affects TvT more than it does PvT or ZvT.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Baum
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 08:40:35
June 15 2013 08:39 GMT
#363
Cloak Banshees have been irrelevant in TvP and TvZ for quite some time now. I really think a buff is a smart idea by Blizzard. Another change I would like to see is turrets not requiring an engineering bay.
I want to be with those who share secret things or else alone.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 15 2013 08:41 GMT
#364
That's insane terran doesn't need additional AA in the early game.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
MoonCricket
Profile Joined September 2011
222 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-15 09:04:35
June 15 2013 08:45 GMT
#365
I'd rather Blizzard nerfed Hellbats with the Transformation Servos upgrade as opposed to the Infernal Pre-Igniter upgrade in order to make it relevant, like require a Tech Lab in order to build Hellbats and then force Terrans to research Transformation Servos in order to double their Hellbat production from Hellions. Adding +12 bonus damage to Infernal Pre-Igniter just over values that upgrade so much.
havok55
Profile Joined May 2013
United States276 Posts
June 15 2013 08:49 GMT
#366
On June 15 2013 17:38 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 17:34 Absentia wrote:
Some of the replies in this thread to the cloak banshee change are hiliarious.
The unit has barely been used in HotS and both Protoss and Zerg have been given tools to either scout it easier or defend it easier.


I agree. If anything, the change is silly because it affects TvT more than it does PvT or ZvT.


I think thats the point, to change TvT.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 15 2013 08:51 GMT
#367
On June 15 2013 17:49 havok55 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 17:38 Teoita wrote:
On June 15 2013 17:34 Absentia wrote:
Some of the replies in this thread to the cloak banshee change are hiliarious.
The unit has barely been used in HotS and both Protoss and Zerg have been given tools to either scout it easier or defend it easier.


I agree. If anything, the change is silly because it affects TvT more than it does PvT or ZvT.


I think thats the point, to change TvT.


The hellbat nerf yes, the banshee buff no:

Banshee
Cloaking Field research cost decreased from 200/200 to 100/100
Cloaking Field research time decreased from 110 seconds to 90.
We don’t feel the overall strength of Terran is an issue at this point, and Terrans aren’t overperforming by any means, but we’d like to compensate the Hellbat nerf with another buff. While we’d like to see fewer Hellbat drops, we don’t want Terran to suffer because of it. Also, we think it would be cool for Terran players have a variety of harassment options. Whenever we saw awesome banshee usage in the past, those games were exciting to watch and we believe having a reduced cost for Banshee tech will allow Terran players to utilize them more easily.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
June 15 2013 08:55 GMT
#368
The hellbat nerf yes, the banshee buff no:

Why you can't start with widow mines and turrets? Why you can't open like against oracle rush?
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 15 2013 08:58 GMT
#369
You mean in TvT against hellbat drops?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
June 15 2013 08:59 GMT
#370
On June 15 2013 03:49 Lukeeze[zR] wrote:
if you want to promote banshees without going for such a drastic change, just merge banshee and ghost cloak. It will promote both without breaking the meta.


What a neat idea, and funnily just the way it´s done in the SC boardgame.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 15 2013 09:05 GMT
#371
On June 15 2013 17:55 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
The hellbat nerf yes, the banshee buff no:

Why you can't start with widow mines and turrets? Why you can't open like against oracle rush?


Teo meant that the banshee buff is not "being done to change TvT".
not that he is against it, right?
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
June 15 2013 09:05 GMT
#372
they want to promote more early game options for terran, sorry but wtf is this? zerg has NOTHING new, nada zero niente and every game is just the same opening like in wol to minute 10

also winrates are in favor of terran already, this month is gonna be above 55% in tvz again and probably even higher

i know everyone and their mother hates wol broodlord infestor zerg but blizzard should stop their vendetta asap
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
June 15 2013 09:07 GMT
#373
On June 15 2013 18:05 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 17:55 Existor wrote:
The hellbat nerf yes, the banshee buff no:

Why you can't start with widow mines and turrets? Why you can't open like against oracle rush?


Teo meant that the banshee buff is not "being done to change TvT".
not that he is against it, right?


I'm not, i don't think it's an issue in PvT and ZvT. What i was saying was, if they are going to give terrans a buff to compensate the hellbat nerf (and wether that's even needed is a whole other conversation), it's silly in my opinion to do something that changes TvT more than the other two matchups.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
June 15 2013 09:21 GMT
#374
On June 15 2013 18:05 Tsubbi wrote:
they want to promote more early game options for terran, sorry but wtf is this? zerg has NOTHING new, nada zero niente and every game is just the same opening like in wol to minute 10

also winrates are in favor of terran already, this month is gonna be above 55% in tvz again and probably even higher

i know everyone and their mother hates wol broodlord infestor zerg but blizzard should stop their vendetta asap


Show me statistics please. Because this "55%" is just a fantasy of you.
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
June 15 2013 09:25 GMT
#375
On June 15 2013 18:21 Snowbear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2013 18:05 Tsubbi wrote:
they want to promote more early game options for terran, sorry but wtf is this? zerg has NOTHING new, nada zero niente and every game is just the same opening like in wol to minute 10

also winrates are in favor of terran already, this month is gonna be above 55% in tvz again and probably even higher

i know everyone and their mother hates wol broodlord infestor zerg but blizzard should stop their vendetta asap


Show me statistics please. Because this "55%" is just a fantasy of you.


Pretty sure he is referring to aligulac, as anybody these days is, when bringing up stats. There TvZ is ~55% for the last three months.
http://aligulac.com/reports/
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
June 15 2013 09:32 GMT
#376
I don't get all the qq about the Banshee. We barely see them anymore, and if we are going to have a chaotic-aggressive game (as Blizz wants) the Banshee is a vastly more entertaining unit then Hellbats. The more micro intensive units the better.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
MrSourGit
Profile Joined August 2012
England135 Posts
June 15 2013 09:32 GMT
#377
Yeah ! zerg are cool ! Nothing wrong for us at all ! No need to give us anything at all .... Fking fking hell ?!?! Lol

We have mutas ..... Only harassment and they cost a ton , long run by's are stopped by any player who knows how to make a wall with cannons or mines or bunkers ....

MAKE NYDUS USEFUL FFS
Winston Churchill - ''I may be drunk, Miss , but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly'
Insoleet
Profile Joined May 2012
France1806 Posts
June 15 2013 09:35 GMT
#378
On June 15 2013 18:32 MrSourGit wrote:
Yeah ! zerg are cool ! Nothing wrong for us at all ! No need to give us anything at all .... Fking fking hell ?!?! Lol

We have mutas ..... Only harassment and they cost a ton , long run by's are stopped by any player who knows how to make a wall with cannons or mines or bunkers ....

MAKE NYDUS USEFUL FFS


So true, the day where the nydus is not just a gambling tool, Sc2 will get even better.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
June 15 2013 09:37 GMT
#379
On June 15 2013 18:05 Tsubbi wrote:
they want to promote more early game options for terran, sorry but wtf is this? zerg has NOTHING new, nada zero niente and every game is just the same opening like in wol to minute 10

also winrates are in favor of terran already, this month is gonna be above 55% in tvz again and probably even higher

i know everyone and their mother hates wol broodlord infestor zerg but blizzard should stop their vendetta asap


How are banshees being slightly buffed going to really affect zerg? You have anti air by proxy of having a queen and also spore crawlers don't require a building anymore (which I still don't agree with).
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Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
June 15 2013 09:40 GMT
#380
2 port banshee with cloak YEY!!
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