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On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO. Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash. I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain? I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL. Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.)
Yes. Also Rain has lost a bit more on the very last matches in PL so things might have changed a bit.
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Russian Federation36 Posts
author is innovations fan, i don't see any reasons to not put soulkey on the 1st line. he outplayed him in macro/defending cheeses/executing all ins, and all four games in a row. innovation played bad, that's it.
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I don't agree with Innovation at rank 1 after seeing him cracked under pressure during GSL final. Maybe when Innovation finally adapt to dealing with pressure in the future, Soulkey seems to be a better player both skills and mentally at this point of time.
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On June 05 2013 17:43 sickless wrote:
author is innovations fan, i don't see any reasons to not put soulkey on the 1st line. he outplayed him in macro/defending cheeses/executing all ins, and all four games in a row. innovation played bad, that's it.
Excepted that the powerank is not only based on one series between two players.
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Austria24422 Posts
On June 05 2013 17:43 sickless wrote:
author is innovations fan, i don't see any reasons to not put soulkey on the 1st line. he outplayed him in macro/defending cheeses/executing all ins, and all four games in a row. innovation played bad, that's it.
Because Soulkey cheesed him 2 times, scouted a proxy 2 rax and then hugely benefitted from Bogus losing 3 medivacs for nothing. Also Innovation has more consistently looked brilliant while if you watch Soulkey he doesn't always look that great (the series vs sOs for example)
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Poland3752 Posts
On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO. Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash. I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain? I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL. Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.)
 2012-2013 Proleague/Statistics
The best percentage with at least 10 matches played this season have:
1. BraVo: 8-3 - 73%
2. Rain: 33-14 - 70%
3. Zest 25-12 - 68%
4. INnoVation 33-16 - 67,35%
5. Flash 37-18 - 67,27% (that's really close, percentage wise)
6. sOs 27-14 - 65,9%
7. Soulkey 23-12 - 65,7%
8. s2 11-6 65%
9. free 22-13 62,9%
10. RorO 25-15 62,5%
With minimum 15 games played BraVo is out, Stats is in.
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On June 05 2013 17:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Some other things happened in between, like him all killing teams in PL. I do think Life could rank higher but this is an estimation of current form. Life hasn't quite shown that dominant play in most recent games.
And that should give him a spot in top 10, but not top 3. spl is great fun to watch, but does not reflect individual league performance very well. Without spl results, flash shouldn't even make top 10. That's why I said this is spl biased.
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Poland3752 Posts
On June 05 2013 17:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:43 sickless wrote:
author is innovations fan, i don't see any reasons to not put soulkey on the 1st line. he outplayed him in macro/defending cheeses/executing all ins, and all four games in a row. innovation played bad, that's it. Because Soulkey cheesed him 2 times, scouted a proxy 2 rax and then hugely benefitted from Bogus losing 3 medivacs for nothing.
Sounds like legitimate winnings to me.
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MURICA15980 Posts
Agree with pretty much the entire list. Nice work.
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Austria24422 Posts
On June 05 2013 17:48 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 05 2013 17:43 sickless wrote:
author is innovations fan, i don't see any reasons to not put soulkey on the 1st line. he outplayed him in macro/defending cheeses/executing all ins, and all four games in a row. innovation played bad, that's it. Because Soulkey cheesed him 2 times, scouted a proxy 2 rax and then hugely benefitted from Bogus losing 3 medivacs for nothing. Sounds like legitimate winnings to me.
They are but they don't necessarily indicate overall skill or power.
On June 05 2013 17:48 1raxexpand wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:24 DarkLordOlli wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Some other things happened in between, like him all killing teams in PL. I do think Life could rank higher but this is an estimation of current form. Life hasn't quite shown that dominant play in most recent games. And that should give him a spot in top 10, but not top 3. spl is great fun to watch, but does not reflect individual league performance very well. Without spl results, flash shouldn't even make top 10. That's why I said this is spl biased.
But nowhere does it say that this is a power rank for individual leagues. It's an overall one.
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On June 05 2013 17:32 Glioburd wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Flash\Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, he murdered Flash in that match up. He is also very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. This is the 2nd thing I love in powerank, people commentaries. Fanboyism. No, Life doesn't deserve to be above Flash and Roro. No, Life couldn't easiliy 3-0 them. No, Life has no longer the best ZvT. Still a good zerg, but try to be subjective. Powerank is proleague biased because this is one of the most active league, the most hyped (since OSL and MSL no longer exist) with the highest level.
I didn't say Life 3-0 them. I sayd Life 3-0 players that were beaten by them in the GSL. Very different thing.
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I wonder if we will see JD in a SC2 Power Rank?
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Life needs to join a PL team. I hate how low he is on this list just because unlike Flash he doesn't have another league besides GSL to prove himself in. 
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Poland3752 Posts
On June 05 2013 17:54 Ysellian wrote:Life needs to join a PL team. I hate how low he is on this list just because unlike Flash he doesn't have another league besides GSL to prove himself in.
He is mediocre in GSTL. Go figure.
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Poland3752 Posts
On June 05 2013 17:53 Zeon0 wrote:
I wonder if we will see JD in a SC2 Power Rank?
Based on his recent results - unlikely.
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On June 05 2013 17:55 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:54 Ysellian wrote:Life needs to join a PL team. I hate how low he is on this list just because unlike Flash he doesn't have another league besides GSL to prove himself in. He is mediocre in GSTL. Go figure.
Proleague teams also play x4 or x5 as often as GSTL teams, so you have more chances to prove yourself. Life has barely had a chance to play in GSTL. I think he's played in something like two matches since GSTL started over 2 months ago?
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On June 05 2013 17:48 nimdil wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO. Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash. I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain? I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL. Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.) 2012-2013 Proleague/StatisticsThe best percentage with at least 10 matches played this season have: 1. BraVo: 8-3 - 73% 2. Rain: 33-14 - 70% 3. Zest 25-12 - 68% 4. INnoVation 33-16 - 67,35% 5. Flash 37-18 - 67,27% (that's really close, percentage wise) 6. sOs 27-14 - 65,9% 7. Soulkey 23-12 - 65,7% 8. s2 11-6 65% 9. free 22-13 62,9% 10. RorO 25-15 62,5% With minimum 15 games played BraVo is out, Stats is in.
That 70% winning rate from Rain in a volatile game like SC2, damn.
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I love all the rage in the comments, this is truly why power rankings are so fun, people acting all shamed-virgin like :D
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Austria24422 Posts
On June 05 2013 17:57 PerSe wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:48 nimdil wrote:On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO. Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash. I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain? I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL. Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.) 2012-2013 Proleague/StatisticsThe best percentage with at least 10 matches played this season have: 1. BraVo: 8-3 - 73% 2. Rain: 33-14 - 70% 3. Zest 25-12 - 68% 4. INnoVation 33-16 - 67,35% 5. Flash 37-18 - 67,27% (that's really close, percentage wise) 6. sOs 27-14 - 65,9% 7. Soulkey 23-12 - 65,7% 8. s2 11-6 65% 9. free 22-13 62,9% 10. RorO 25-15 62,5% With minimum 15 games played BraVo is out, Stats is in. That 70% winning rate from Rain in a volatile game like SC2, damn.
AND in Bo1 format. Really impressive stuff.
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wow no Polt in the top 10. Fionn must be on vacation or something.
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