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On June 05 2013 18:09 Pegas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:57 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:48 nimdil wrote:On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO. Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash. I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain? I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL. Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.)  2012-2013 Proleague/StatisticsThe best percentage with at least 10 matches played this season have: 1. BraVo: 8-3 - 73% 2. Rain: 33-14 - 70% 3. Zest 25-12 - 68% 4. INnoVation 33-16 - 67,35% 5. Flash 37-18 - 67,27% (that's really close, percentage wise) 6. sOs 27-14 - 65,9% 7. Soulkey 23-12 - 65,7% 8. s2 11-6 65% 9. free 22-13 62,9% 10. RorO 25-15 62,5% With minimum 15 games played BraVo is out, Stats is in. That 70% winning rate from Rain in a volatile game like SC2, damn. And they still placed Flash before Rain....
You realise that Flash's win rate is less than 3% lower, right?
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On June 05 2013 18:09 Pegas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:57 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:48 nimdil wrote:On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO. Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash. I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain? I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL. Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.) 2012-2013 Proleague/StatisticsThe best percentage with at least 10 matches played this season have: 1. BraVo: 8-3 - 73% 2. Rain: 33-14 - 70% 3. Zest 25-12 - 68% 4. INnoVation 33-16 - 67,35% 5. Flash 37-18 - 67,27% (that's really close, percentage wise) 6. sOs 27-14 - 65,9% 7. Soulkey 23-12 - 65,7% 8. s2 11-6 65% 9. free 22-13 62,9% 10. RorO 25-15 62,5% With minimum 15 games played BraVo is out, Stats is in. That 70% winning rate from Rain in a volatile game like SC2, damn. And they still placed Flash before Rain....
and they placed innovation ahead of Zest, wow what idiots
In all seriousness, nice power rank, I have to admit I often didn't like them for BW (I mean I disagreed with the ranking but still enjoyed them) but this one looks really solid
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On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.
Bringing up this comment was a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of watching a tv show you hate then sending a letter to the producers to tell them that you are outraged that you watched it. Pointless comments are only written to gain replies and gain reputation for trollish views. I expected more out of you as a commenter.
Seriously though, if you don't like it, why read it? Personally I find it awesome to talk about my favorite players and attempt to form arguments as to why they aren't where they should be. Adds a lot of fun to the scene IMO.
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On June 05 2013 18:47 monk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team. Based on this feedback, we have decided to discontinue power ranks in future months.
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Since the purpose, which I do not agree with, was to stir up discussions I know you will continue writing them. But the team didn't put daily previews/reviews for WCS EU or WCS NA despite the fact that the first has vastly more viewers than the WCS KR. So I'm a little annoyed and puzzled that you would choose doing a Power Rank over these previews.
Edit : And just we are clear, the article is well written and I wouldn't expect any less of you and the team. I just question the priority and if this was a good choice of development.
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Pretty much spot on, I'd put RorO over Symbol and I guess Mvp and HerO are interchangeable but other than that I'd say this is a very tight list.
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Poland3774 Posts
On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.
This comment is terribly, terribly annoying.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 05 2013 19:06 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 18:47 monk wrote:On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team. Based on this feedback, we have decided to discontinue power ranks in future months. -.-' Since the purpose, which I do not agree with, was to stir up discussions I know you will continue writing them. But the team didn't put daily previews/reviews for WCS EU or WCS NA despite the fact that the first has vastly more viewers than the WCS KR. So I'm a little annoyed and puzzled that you would choose doing a Power Rank over these previews.
It may be shocking but doing a power rank is much more fun than doing daily previews and recaps for three regions of WCS. Also less taxing for a writing team consisting of 6 writers. And on another note I believe the GSL final had 200k viewers altohether including Afreeca and other streams
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Fuck yeah Power Rank! Loved these for BW.
That last sentence was all that was needed to justify Innovation's #1 spot.
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On June 05 2013 19:06 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 18:47 monk wrote:On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team. Based on this feedback, we have decided to discontinue power ranks in future months. -.-' Since the purpose, which I do not agree with, was to stir up discussions I know you will continue writing them. But the team didn't put daily previews/reviews for WCS EU or WCS NA despite the fact that the first has vastly more viewers than the WCS KR. So I'm a little annoyed and puzzled that you would choose doing a Power Rank over these previews. Edit : And just we are clear, the article is well written and I wouldn't expect any less of you and the team. I just question the priority and if this was a good choice of development.
You're looking at Twitch viewers, WCS KR is viewed through other websites too, and it was by far the most watched.
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Those power ranks will never be the same you know, because of some bias for TL players...
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I can't help but feel Life is still one of the best players in the world. Actually I think I'd still consider him the best, but unfortunately he hasn't really been very active this month. Anyway I think the list is pretty good, although I think roro and symbol should have been lower.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On June 05 2013 19:31 eurTsItniH wrote:
I can't help but feel Life is still one of the best players in the world. Actually I think I'd still consider him the best, but unfortunately he hasn't really been very active this month. Anyway I think the list is pretty good, although I think roro and symbol should have been lower.
That's the inherent advantage of being a KeSPA player - with PL, there are more games to play more often against high level opponents, which makes creating a ranking much easier, and the ranking is more accurate as well
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There is a WCS rank for that now... No MVP, lol
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Rain and flash are definitely over rated.
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Why isn't MVP on the list?  He should be at least number 3 or 4!!
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On June 05 2013 09:16 Arisen wrote:
i disagree with soulkey vs innovation. People dick ride innovation way to hard. I think soulkey justified himself as a really great player under pressure and innovation proved that he needs to work on that part of his game. Innovation might have looked more dominant in the games he won, but I think soulkey proved to be the better all around player
What really? Soulkey literally looked like the worst zerg player I have seen play since 2011 in his series vs sos, and if innovation wouldn't have been like "fuck it I don't need a tank to own this noob, I'm fucking innovation" or atleast "fuck it i'll 11/11 4 times" soulkey would have never ever won that gsl. I don't think nerves were bogus issue but rather being so ridiculously good, I mean when he was up 3-0 he literally just killed everyone else who could win gsl that season and was up 3-0 against arguably the best zerg in the world, of course you are going to get arrogant at that point.
But overall inno has beaten far better players than soulkey, showed way better games, and just overall looked way way better as an rts player (no I don't think he is the best of all time. If someone at stx manages to explain to bogus that building a tank can be fine within this week he should stomp wcs s1 grand slam.
Nice power rating, given that hero had to go against way better players than mvp to win his wcs I do agree with him being number 10, as you said the other 9 were kinda obvious, though as much as I love flash I'm not sure if a sick proleague record justifies him loosing vs inno the way he did and especially loosing to parting.
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soulkey beats innovation in the finals, gets second place to innovation in this ranking... gotta respect results yo
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On June 05 2013 18:09 Pegas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 05 2013 17:57 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:48 nimdil wrote:On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased. Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact. PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily... But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3? Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO. Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash. I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain? I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL. Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.) 2012-2013 Proleague/StatisticsThe best percentage with at least 10 matches played this season have: 1. BraVo: 8-3 - 73% 2. Rain: 33-14 - 70% 3. Zest 25-12 - 68% 4. INnoVation 33-16 - 67,35% 5. Flash 37-18 - 67,27% (that's really close, percentage wise) 6. sOs 27-14 - 65,9% 7. Soulkey 23-12 - 65,7% 8. s2 11-6 65% 9. free 22-13 62,9% 10. RorO 25-15 62,5% With minimum 15 games played BraVo is out, Stats is in. That 70% winning rate from Rain in a volatile game like SC2, damn. And they still placed Flash before Rain....
Are you kidding? You do realize that the 70% comes from all his proleague games and not just this month right?
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