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Pegas
Profile Joined April 2012
Romania211 Posts
June 05 2013 09:09 GMT
#381
On June 05 2013 17:57 PerSe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 17:48 nimdil wrote:
On June 05 2013 17:34 PerSe wrote:
On June 05 2013 17:32 samurai80 wrote:
On June 05 2013 17:26 PerSe wrote:
On June 05 2013 17:20 1raxexpand wrote:
On June 05 2013 17:17 p14c wrote:
On June 05 2013 17:14 1raxexpand wrote:
Rain\Roro\Symbol shouldn't be above Life. Life could have easily 3-0ed any player that those players beat in code S/A. Life still has the best ZvT, and is very solid in other match ups. This list is too proleague biased.

Stop with the "could have... would have BS". This power rank is based on accomplishments not on wishful thinking. Last month Life didn't really do that good. This is the fact.

PS: I highly doubt Life wins a ZvZ vs Roro. Don't you remember the last time they meet? Roro destroyed Life easily...


But Life wiped the floor with Flash every time they meet. Flash was 2-0ed out of his group. How do you justify Flash on #3?


Have you seen Flash's record in R5 Proleague? He's easily in the top 5 in-form players, based both off gains on Aligulac and ELO.

Furthermore Life's victories over Flash in MLG and that Asian Indoor tournament were more than a month ago, they're hardly recent. I don't think anyone would dispute that Life has a better head-to-head record than Flash but based off last month's results, there is little we can say about Life and a lot going for Flash.

I'd say the top 4 in the rankings are accurate enough. Innovation has had a real steamer in the GSL, though I honestly believe Soulkey is the superior player to both Innovation and Flash over all three match ups. Flash's TvP in HOTS is looking quite shaky (while his TvT and TvZ are looking stellar), and I have similar doubts with Innovation's TvT (though yes he does have the world's best TvZ). Doesn't Soulkey have the best wins-loss ratio in Proleague, or is that Rain?

I'm pretty sure Rain has the best winrate in PL. Flash has a bit more wins but also much more matches played iirc. In percentage I think Rain is well ahead of everyone else in PL.



Yeah percentage/ratio-wise I had a feeling it was Rain (though from what I recall, Soulkey also has a pretty good percentage due to his low number of losses.)


(Wiki)2012-2013 Proleague/Statistics
The best percentage with at least 10 matches played this season have:
1. BraVo: 8-3 - 73%
2. Rain: 33-14 - 70%
3. Zest 25-12 - 68%
4. INnoVation 33-16 - 67,35%
5. Flash 37-18 - 67,27% (that's really close, percentage wise)
6. sOs 27-14 - 65,9%
7. Soulkey 23-12 - 65,7%
8. s2 11-6 65%
9. free 22-13 62,9%
10. RorO 25-15 62,5%

With minimum 15 games played BraVo is out, Stats is in.


That 70% winning rate from Rain in a volatile game like SC2, damn.


And they still placed Flash before Rain....
As a rule, men worry more about what they can't see than about what they can
Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 09:13:56
June 05 2013 09:13 GMT
#382
On June 05 2013 17:57 Dodgin wrote:
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On June 05 2013 17:55 nimdil wrote:
On June 05 2013 17:54 Ysellian wrote:
Life needs to join a PL team. I hate how low he is on this list just because unlike Flash he doesn't have another league besides GSL to prove himself in.

He is mediocre in GSTL. Go figure.


Proleague teams also play x4 or x5 as often as GSTL teams, so you have more chances to prove yourself. Life has barely had a chance to play in GSTL. I think he's played in something like two matches since GSTL started over 2 months ago?


Besides Proleague is a bigger thing than GSTL, players are far more likely to practice specifically for Proleague than GSTL.
brieN
Profile Joined November 2011
United States158 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 09:20:28
June 05 2013 09:19 GMT
#383
so innovation cheese/all ins soulkey 3 times and soulkey the same 3 times and the one long game goes to soul key and before that they were 1-1 in series, yet innovation is better than soulkey in rankings, thats is like joe frazier beating ali and saying ali is ranked #1.... you people are such fan boys of koreans when they go on a winning streak aka taeja, drg, mma, mvp, nestea,etc
check yo self befo yo wreck yo self
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 05 2013 09:21 GMT
#384
On June 05 2013 18:19 brieN wrote:
so innovation cheese/all ins soulkey 3 times and soulkey the same 3 times and the one long game goes to soul key and before that they were 1-1 in series, yet innovation is better than soulkey in rankings, thats is like joe frazier beating ali and saying ali is ranked #1.... you people are such fan boys of koreans when they go on a winning streak aka taeja, drg, mma, mvp, nestea,etc

it's not based off 1 tournament.
Moderatorlickypiddy
DrPandaPhD
Profile Joined November 2011
5188 Posts
June 05 2013 09:22 GMT
#385
On June 05 2013 18:19 brieN wrote:
so innovation cheese/all ins soulkey 3 times and soulkey the same 3 times and the one long game goes to soul key and before that they were 1-1 in series, yet innovation is better than soulkey in rankings, thats is like joe frazier beating ali and saying ali is ranked #1.... you people are such fan boys of koreans when they go on a winning streak aka taeja, drg, mma, mvp, nestea,etc

Power Rank is more than just head-to-head battles. Innovation has been doing better than Soulkey is proleague.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 09:23:49
June 05 2013 09:23 GMT
#386
On June 05 2013 18:19 brieN wrote:
so innovation cheese/all ins soulkey 3 times and soulkey the same 3 times and the one long game goes to soul key and before that they were 1-1 in series, yet innovation is better than soulkey in rankings, thats is like joe frazier beating ali and saying ali is ranked #1.... you people are such fan boys of koreans when they go on a winning streak aka taeja, drg, mma, mvp, nestea,etc


I like how the players you listed were actually the best in the world during their respective runs.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3756 Posts
June 05 2013 09:24 GMT
#387
On June 05 2013 18:22 DrPandaPhD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 18:19 brieN wrote:
so innovation cheese/all ins soulkey 3 times and soulkey the same 3 times and the one long game goes to soul key and before that they were 1-1 in series, yet innovation is better than soulkey in rankings, thats is like joe frazier beating ali and saying ali is ranked #1.... you people are such fan boys of koreans when they go on a winning streak aka taeja, drg, mma, mvp, nestea,etc

Power Rank is more than just head-to-head battles. Innovation has been doing better than Soulkey is proleague.

Also he played better in quarterfinal and semifinal. One match is not everything.

Look at Fantasy. He won OSL and still had to wait LONG time before he was #1 in Power Rank.
Stolker
Profile Joined March 2013
United States96 Posts
June 05 2013 09:33 GMT
#388
On June 05 2013 18:19 brieN wrote:
so innovation cheese/all ins soulkey 3 times and soulkey the same 3 times and the one long game goes to soul key and before that they were 1-1 in series, yet innovation is better than soulkey in rankings, thats is like joe frazier beating ali and saying ali is ranked #1.... you people are such fan boys of koreans when they go on a winning streak aka taeja, drg, mma, mvp, nestea,etc

Look at the path that innovation had. And as it was already said, it was not soulkey that won, but innovation throwing it away. FYI, I am a zerg fun.
Darrkhan
Profile Joined February 2012
Finland1236 Posts
June 05 2013 09:35 GMT
#389
I'm quite happy with 2. Soulkey 1. innovation

Even though Soulkey won and played really well after game 3. I don't think those 4 games were "thrown away" by Innovation it was just Soulkey countering Innovations greedy style, no tanks etc. And incredible hellbat defence.

Still ranking Innovation number 1 is good choice because his run in GSL was imo more incredible, his games in SPL has been superior to Soulkey etc.

Great ranking overall I don't agree with everyone of them but it is still great and epic to see Powerrank in sc2!!
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
June 05 2013 09:35 GMT
#390
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
June 05 2013 09:35 GMT
#391
Just gonna say WB PR! Always was my favourite feature on TL! Missed it alot
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
June 05 2013 09:36 GMT
#392
On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.

Usually you talk about games you like
Moderatorlickypiddy
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 05 2013 09:37 GMT
#393
On June 05 2013 18:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.

Usually you talk about games you like


Don't forget, some people just like to bitch and criticise for no reason! Never forget that ^^
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Testuser
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
6469 Posts
June 05 2013 09:44 GMT
#394
Why is Symbol on there, lol.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
June 05 2013 09:45 GMT
#395
On June 05 2013 18:44 Testuser wrote:
Why is Symbol on there, lol.

probably because he got 2nd place GSL and top 4 GSL in the last two
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monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
June 05 2013 09:47 GMT
#396
On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.

Based on this feedback, we have decided to discontinue power ranks in future months.
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d00p
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
711 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-05 09:56:11
June 05 2013 09:51 GMT
#397
On June 05 2013 18:47 monk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.

Based on this feedback, we have decided to discontinue power ranks in future months.


That's a joke.. right? I thoroughly enjoyed this.


edit. please put it back on the side bar on the right like it used to be.
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
June 05 2013 09:52 GMT
#398
On June 05 2013 18:51 d00p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2013 18:47 monk wrote:
On June 05 2013 18:35 Otolia wrote:
Bringing this feature back is a terrible terrible mistake. It's the equivalent of "Best Games of 2013" for video games reviewers. Pointless rankings only written to make people take about it and gain viewers. I expected more out of the writing team.

Based on this feedback, we have decided to discontinue power ranks in future months.


That's a joke.. right? I thoroughly enjoyed this.


yes, it was a joke, don't worry.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
June 05 2013 09:57 GMT
#399
really proud of Hero, he has improved so much!
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
June 05 2013 09:58 GMT
#400
Good list, although a bit boring because it's kinda predictable, hah. Personally I think Parting is overrated as always, the rest are fine.
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