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On May 14 2013 04:57 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 20:49 ACrow wrote:On May 13 2013 20:46 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 20:44 levelping wrote:On May 13 2013 20:34 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 20:31 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:28 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On May 13 2013 20:12 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:On May 13 2013 20:06 FetTerBender wrote:On May 13 2013 20:02 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote:
232 pages for a brat getting fired? I mean could we not see this coming for a while now? Seriously? Calling IdrA a brat considering you will never ever contribute merely a share of what he contributed to eSports since BW and what he achieved in tournaments throughout his long career? If you are not interested in the topic, maybe dont waste your precious time to read & post in it? Edit: Typo I'm sorry but past results ≠ present respect. Judging from this thread and my personal observation, He squandered whatever good will he had remaining with the "bunch of fucks" comment and ragequit with 3K/3K bank and 5 operating bases without even bothering to even attempt to deal with the sky Terran transition. So no, his contributions/achievements/goodwill account despite being so great and mighty once upon a time are now empty. So I guess we should stop respecting BoxeR or NaDa because as you said past results ≠ present respect. Hell Flash isn't God anymore, should we stop respecting him as well. Right? If they were spending it on "I hope you die of cancer" and "You all are a bunch of fucks" and ragequitting in a major tournament. A big loud, YES. You missed point. By a long shot. *Facepalm* And I like how you didn't even know of his clarification of his comments. The cancer one was an over-exaggeration of his feelings for the purpose of comedy and the "you're a bunch of fucks" was directed at butthurt haters like you. And this is exactly my point. You guys don't respect players for their skill, achievements, or results. You only care about their personality. This is why the community is pretty much dead to me. Hell, people disrespect NaNiwa 24/7 and he's probably the second greatest foreigner ever. Except idra doesn't have any relevant contemporary results... His past deeds only go so far. And anyway I don't get this division between results and personality in the first place. Ppeople respect boxer because of his great personality and results. Same for nada and many of the old generation. People still respect mvp because of his results and his never say die personality. I don't get your angst over results... Idra comes as a person. If he talks shit but has good results, people can look over that. But if he isn't getting results and still insists on insulting his own fan base... Overall that is really hard to like. Keep proving my point. Yet you'll stop respecting BoxeR and NaDa if they talked trash right. Real sports and e-sports fans don't give two shits about personality. We only care about good games. Why do you care so much about Idra then? His last good games are long past. Rejoice that EG has the opportunity now to invest into someone who can deliver good games. Every SC2 fan profits (except those interested in Idra's personality, which, according to you, you are not). Because he was kicked out not for his performance but his personality. Is that so hard to understand? I knew he would get kicked out eventually due to his poor results but not for his etiquette.
I probably not for one reason or the other though. It's both. If he was performing out of his mind, he probably wouldn't have been given even MORE leeway than he already had.
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On May 14 2013 05:21 Balthazar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:00 LOveRH wrote:On May 14 2013 01:54 TychusFindlaylol wrote:On May 14 2013 01:48 LOveRH wrote:
No. No we don't need more CombatEX. IdrA pissed people off but at least he didn't cheat. There is a big difference between the two players. I wouldn't say they are the same thing..at all... I knew some people will think this. However, another big group of people will think otherwise. Also... "stream cheating" is not cheating according to Blizzard rules, so CombatEX never broke the rules. Besides, I think streamers can delay their gameplay to avoid this. Correct me if I am wrong. I heard he used map hacks as well as other things and he apologized for it later on. I consider any thing that gives a player an unfair advantage to be "cheating",... thought that was the definition of cheating but whatever. CombatEX is a dick, cheater and never can be placed in a rank as a 'Pro' player. IdrA can be a dick, never cheated and has won many tournaments and has a large reputation/following in the gaming community. Again... how do people compare a wannabe pro with a WELL KNOWN Pro? CombatEX has NEVER used maphacks, nor was he ever accused of it. That is a widely held misconception. The worst he's done in SC2 is streamcheat, which he has apologized for last year and has been clean ever since. There's no denying that he has made some very poor choices in his past, but people grow up and move on. You don't have to like him, but the fact remains that strong personalities like CombatEX, IdrA, iNcontrol, and Destiny (to name a few) attract viewers and help grow the scene, albeit in different ways. I find it particularly disappointing that CombatEX's career as well as a necessary aspect eSports are stunted due to the feelings of a few moderators on TL.
Yeah, CombatEX never broke the Blizzard rules. Besides, all that stream sniping was well worth it, and I would watch it again. Incholesterol raged so much it is one of my favorite Starcraft moments. This is for lols and entertainment afterall. You can't be serious all the time. We want some drama too.
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i think i saw idra at like 15kish so i guess going independent wont be the end of the world...
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On May 14 2013 06:28 CeriseCherries wrote:
i think i saw idra at like 15kish so i guess going independent wont be the end of the world...
ya he's streaming now at 11k lol but I doubt it'll last. I figure it'll drop down to 5k once a week or two pass since most are tuning in to see how he's doing after this.
Personally, I think being a caster is better than a player for Idra although I do wonder how he plans to cast and such for a game that he admits that he hates?
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Just started watching his stream : P I forgot how entertaining and talented he was, thank you EG for releasing him so I can rewatch him : D
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You can hate him or love him, but you will always ask for more of him.
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So many people (including I) called this...his popularity and streamer views has already skyrocketed lol. He's over 12.5k at the moment. Streaming a regular game...nothing special...some mainstream tournaments struggle with 10k...haha Go Idra. Keep the haters hating.
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On May 14 2013 06:47 Di3s3l wrote:
So many people (including I) called this...his popularity and streamer views has already skyrocketed lol. He's over 12.5k at the moment. Streaming a regular game...nothing special...some mainstream tournaments struggle with 10k...haha Go Idra. Keep the haters hating.
and I wonder who in EG has this number of viewers on his stream...
having said that... good decision EG. You couldn't pick a better time or player to do this.
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On May 14 2013 06:34 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:28 CeriseCherries wrote:
i think i saw idra at like 15kish so i guess going independent wont be the end of the world... ya he's streaming now at 11k lol but I doubt it'll last. I figure it'll drop down to 5k once a week or two pass since most are tuning in to see how he's doing after this. Personally, I think being a caster is better than a player for Idra although I do wonder how he plans to cast and such for a game that he admits that he hates?
This doesn't really make much sense to me either. If he actually enjoyed the game then I could understand him transitioning into a casting role. I doubt that many of the foreign BW guys prefer SC2 but none have been so openly critical of SC2 as Idra. There are probably financial considerations involved - fans too, maybe. But one has to wonder how long Idra will keep up casting/producing content if he genuinely dislikes SC2 (and not merely prefers BW).
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On May 14 2013 06:52 TychusFindlaylol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:47 Di3s3l wrote:
So many people (including I) called this...his popularity and streamer views has already skyrocketed lol. He's over 12.5k at the moment. Streaming a regular game...nothing special...some mainstream tournaments struggle with 10k...haha Go Idra. Keep the haters hating. and I wonder who in EG has this number of viewers on his stream... having said that... good decision EG. You couldn't pick a better time or player to do this.
Demuslim without the dramabonus.
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On May 14 2013 06:52 TychusFindlaylol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:47 Di3s3l wrote:
So many people (including I) called this...his popularity and streamer views has already skyrocketed lol. He's over 12.5k at the moment. Streaming a regular game...nothing special...some mainstream tournaments struggle with 10k...haha Go Idra. Keep the haters hating. and I wonder who in EG has this number of viewers on his stream... having said that... good decision EG. You couldn't pick a better time or player to do this.
for starters demuslim has over 8k every night, and has had that for ages now.
Secondly Idra wont maintain 12.5k, its spiked so much purely because of recent events.
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On May 14 2013 07:09 Gulf wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 06:52 TychusFindlaylol wrote:On May 14 2013 06:47 Di3s3l wrote:
So many people (including I) called this...his popularity and streamer views has already skyrocketed lol. He's over 12.5k at the moment. Streaming a regular game...nothing special...some mainstream tournaments struggle with 10k...haha Go Idra. Keep the haters hating. and I wonder who in EG has this number of viewers on his stream... having said that... good decision EG. You couldn't pick a better time or player to do this. for starters demuslim has over 8k every night, and has had that for ages now. Secondly Idra wont maintain 12.5k, its spiked so much purely because of recent events.
ages?
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On a separate note... IdrA has 12k stream all day today AND 2-0'd Demuslim :D loving the rivalry they kinda have haha
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On May 14 2013 07:16 Doodsmack wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 07:09 Gulf wrote:On May 14 2013 06:52 TychusFindlaylol wrote:On May 14 2013 06:47 Di3s3l wrote:
So many people (including I) called this...his popularity and streamer views has already skyrocketed lol. He's over 12.5k at the moment. Streaming a regular game...nothing special...some mainstream tournaments struggle with 10k...haha Go Idra. Keep the haters hating. and I wonder who in EG has this number of viewers on his stream... having said that... good decision EG. You couldn't pick a better time or player to do this. for starters demuslim has over 8k every night, and has had that for ages now. Secondly Idra wont maintain 12.5k, its spiked so much purely because of recent events. ages?
Not for ages, but recently he has built a solid foundation of viewers based off 1: streaming every day for hours, and being generally informative and entertaining and 2: some drama with idra.
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On May 14 2013 07:21 Jockmcplop wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 07:16 Doodsmack wrote:On May 14 2013 07:09 Gulf wrote:On May 14 2013 06:52 TychusFindlaylol wrote:On May 14 2013 06:47 Di3s3l wrote:
So many people (including I) called this...his popularity and streamer views has already skyrocketed lol. He's over 12.5k at the moment. Streaming a regular game...nothing special...some mainstream tournaments struggle with 10k...haha Go Idra. Keep the haters hating. and I wonder who in EG has this number of viewers on his stream... having said that... good decision EG. You couldn't pick a better time or player to do this. for starters demuslim has over 8k every night, and has had that for ages now. Secondly Idra wont maintain 12.5k, its spiked so much purely because of recent events. ages? Not for ages, but recently he has built a solid foundation of viewers based off 1: streaming every day for hours, and being generally informative and entertaining and 2: some drama with idra.
2: has a lot to do with recent nums  haha,as a Demu watcher he generalizes at about 4k on avg, not 8+
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On May 14 2013 03:42 JackDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:35 Fat_Elephant wrote:On May 14 2013 03:11 SCST wrote:On May 14 2013 02:50 Fat_Elephant wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 LingBlingBling wrote:On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA. ....... Baseball is a game to, it is also a sport. You should prob take the time to look up the word sport and understand what it means. Sc2 is a sport. You can make a living off it, there is a a insane competitive cult following played at a high lvl "sport" An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Sure does seem like sc2 follows the meaning of the word "sport" sigh. Football is more fake to me, then sc2, football is more about marketing then skill, (I mean American football no soccer) Football has more actors/story lines/advertisements/marketing then sc2. Sc2 is just like Athletic sports. Are you serious? You bid for the idea StarCraft is a sport, look up its definition which contradicts it, then say plainly it follows that definition? Yikes. Starcraft requires physical exertion. Chess was classified as an sport by the Olympic Committee in 1999. Watching TV requires physical exertion. It is a sport. No need to be a bad troll. You missed the part about competing. Competing AND physical exertion make a sport.
Im not trolling, Im abiding by your standards. Checkers and Monopoly is a competition and and requires physical exertion so its a sport, right? Those are your rules, man.
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It was obvious that Idra would see a spike in viewership from this. It's equally obvious that it is going to slowly dwindle until he levels off at below his previous level.
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On May 14 2013 07:58 Fat_Elephant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 03:42 JackDragon wrote:On May 14 2013 03:35 Fat_Elephant wrote:On May 14 2013 03:11 SCST wrote:On May 14 2013 02:50 Fat_Elephant wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 LingBlingBling wrote:On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA. ....... Baseball is a game to, it is also a sport. You should prob take the time to look up the word sport and understand what it means. Sc2 is a sport. You can make a living off it, there is a a insane competitive cult following played at a high lvl "sport" An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Sure does seem like sc2 follows the meaning of the word "sport" sigh. Football is more fake to me, then sc2, football is more about marketing then skill, (I mean American football no soccer) Football has more actors/story lines/advertisements/marketing then sc2. Sc2 is just like Athletic sports. Are you serious? You bid for the idea StarCraft is a sport, look up its definition which contradicts it, then say plainly it follows that definition? Yikes. Starcraft requires physical exertion. Chess was classified as an sport by the Olympic Committee in 1999. Watching TV requires physical exertion. It is a sport. No need to be a bad troll. You missed the part about competing. Competing AND physical exertion make a sport. Im not trolling, Im abiding by your standards. Checkers and Monopoly is a competition and and requires physical exertion so its a sport, right? Those are your rules, man.
Checkers yes definitively. It is quite similar to chess afterall (for one who is not to familiar with any). I have never heard of Monopoly tournaments or competitions but potentially yes. I would think that would be rather boring since it is so much luck involved, but why not?
Watching tv does not abide by "my standards" at all however.
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On May 14 2013 08:07 JackDragon wrote:Show nested quote +On May 14 2013 07:58 Fat_Elephant wrote:On May 14 2013 03:42 JackDragon wrote:On May 14 2013 03:35 Fat_Elephant wrote:On May 14 2013 03:11 SCST wrote:On May 14 2013 02:50 Fat_Elephant wrote:On May 14 2013 02:25 LingBlingBling wrote:On May 14 2013 02:16 Leporello wrote:
SC2 is not a sport.
This is why I don't like the term "e-sports". It's a game. Comparing it to WWE/professional wrestling? That's just wrong on several levels.
It's a game. Compare it to chess, we should compare it to chess, not professional wrestling. We don't need stupid drama and fake animosity from our "athletes" in order to make matches intriguing and entertaining. These aren't athletes, they're gamers. They're not tough, rather, they're smart. That's something we appreciate, which is why we watch SC2, instead of sports.
And Muhammed Ali was clever. He'd rhyme and banter in a way that was obviously for pure showmanship -- which is much different than raging at some random stranger in a videogame that IdrA is laddering against.
Don't compare IdrA to Muhammed Ali. Compare IdrA to Mike Tyson -- the man who wants to eat his competitor's babies and will chomp on their ears if he thinks his opponent is imba. Boxing's reputation suffered from Mike Tyson's disgusting behavior. SC2's reputation will suffer if we put our most toxic players on pedestals, which we did quite well with IdrA. ....... Baseball is a game to, it is also a sport. You should prob take the time to look up the word sport and understand what it means. Sc2 is a sport. You can make a living off it, there is a a insane competitive cult following played at a high lvl "sport" An activity involving physical exertion and skill in which an individual or team competes against another or others. Sure does seem like sc2 follows the meaning of the word "sport" sigh. Football is more fake to me, then sc2, football is more about marketing then skill, (I mean American football no soccer) Football has more actors/story lines/advertisements/marketing then sc2. Sc2 is just like Athletic sports. Are you serious? You bid for the idea StarCraft is a sport, look up its definition which contradicts it, then say plainly it follows that definition? Yikes. Starcraft requires physical exertion. Chess was classified as an sport by the Olympic Committee in 1999. Watching TV requires physical exertion. It is a sport. No need to be a bad troll. You missed the part about competing. Competing AND physical exertion make a sport. Im not trolling, Im abiding by your standards. Checkers and Monopoly is a competition and and requires physical exertion so its a sport, right? Those are your rules, man. Checkers yes definitively. It is quite similar to chess afterall (for one who is not to familiar with any). I have never heard of Monopoly tournaments or competitions but potentially yes. I would think that would be rather boring since it is so much luck involved, but why not? Watching tv does not abide by "my standards" at all however.
Why not? You can be very competitive at being a sports fan so maybe there's market value there  also physical exertion ? heck yes!
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On May 14 2013 07:17 Hitch-22 wrote:
On a separate note... IdrA has 12k stream all day today AND 2-0'd Demuslim :D loving the rivalry they kinda have haha
I think I saw the first game where he declared that he was going to roach bust him at the start of the game and there was the "Did Demuslim gg" drama. Do you have a link to the second one?
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