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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:26 Magic_Mike wrote: Oh God I can't wait. Probably just say the same stuff that Incontrol said. Fucking JP gets all the scoops and barely tries. Slasher and DJ Wheat must be tearing their hair out.  | ||
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Morlock
68 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:24 Qwyn wrote: Bottom on his own terms. Being the 50th best foreigner is the absolute rock bottom for him. But it's the truth, and he needs to acknowledge it before he's able to regain his position.What makes you think that he has to start from the bottom, lol? Let's be honest here - you WANT him to start from the bottom - to see some sort of redemption arc from him...or some stupid shit like that. On May 11 2013 13:24 Qwyn wrote: His game sense is extremely strong. He's just an extremely safe player, and sometimes he tries to reason against players who are so illogical that the effort is worthless. Game sense is extremely strong? His analytical ability is extremely strong, and that gives him a lot of strategic sense. But he's so out of the loop and isolated from his peers that he lacks knowledge of basic timings, unit compositions, counters, etc. And he seems to play how the game ought to be rather than how it actually is. That is not good "game sense".On May 11 2013 13:24 Qwyn wrote: "Balance-whining, excuse-mongering, rationalization-seeking mentality" is just what you want to see. IdrA's downfall is what you, irrationally, desire to see happen. His downfall has already happened, but I don't want to see it. I actually quite like Idra. But I'm telling you: he's trapped in the pit dug by his ego. And if he doesn't gain awareness, he's a lost cause.Frank talk by people on the Internet has helped me a number of times in my life. What I'm saying is actually constructive. Idra would love to be #1 foreigner again, but it will never happen unless he swallows his pride. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On May 11 2013 10:58 Rainfall7711 wrote: Well just to add what Incontrol said on his stream. And he obviously doesn't mind people knowing, is that a few weeks ago Greg was officially warned by the management after telling Capoch he hopes he gets cancer etc. The sponsors didn't like it at all for obvious reasons, and Alex said it would never happen again. Fast forward a few weeks and Idra throws more shit at the fan and it was him or the company. Completely fair and justified in the end. Difficult to do, but justified. Shit hit the fans, one might say. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:43 Morlock wrote: Game sense is extremely strong? His analytical ability is extremely strong, and that gives him a lot of strategic sense. But he's so out of the loop and isolated from his peers that he lacks knowledge of basic timings, unit compositions, counters, etc. And he seems to play how the game ought to be rather than how it actually is. That is not good "game sense". I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed. His builds seem like months behind, as if he isn't following the scene or experimenting on his own. We he does a build a or all-in I recognize, he executes it half-assed. Superficially on stream, it seems like players like Catz or Vibe are way ahead, in terms of style, crisis management, knowing what you can get away with, etc. Then again, I'm not a pro so I can't tell for sure. | ||
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9-BiT
United States1089 Posts
On May 11 2013 11:48 reminisce12 wrote: cept EG hired him as a competitive athlete and not an entertainer. their mind set was for idra to produce good results which he did and lessen hes rude attitude, which after 3 yrs hasnt changed one bit or gotten worse due to this situation. If he was hired as a competitive athlete he would have been fired about a year and a half ago. | ||
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LightSpectra
United States1448 Posts
Fast forward to 2013, Naniwa's a Dreamhack finalist and IdrA is being released for having absolutely no results and for his disorderly personality. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5217 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:50 9-BiT wrote: If he was hired as a competitive athlete he would have been fired about a year and a half ago. A year and half ago was November 2011... Idra had just won IEM Guangzhou and placed 4th at MLG Orlando (defeating in succession, Boxer, Hongun and Bomber) in October 2011 and won the ASUS ROG Stars Invite on the 5th of November, 2011. Something tells me that would have been just about the worst time to fire him based on results... he did have a tough time in 2012, but he did pretty well at the US WCS, NA WCS, and WCS Final. | ||
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ins(out)side
220 Posts
It would seem he also needs to step back for a second and seriously reassess the nature of his job as a pro-gamer. The attitude he has towards his fans appears to be totally off-base. Someone blessed enough to be in his position (i.e. getting paid to play a video game) should be nothing but grateful to the fans because they are the ones who make his job possible. Take a look at how Day 9 treats his fans in person at events, on stream, and any other way you can imagine. The man realizes that the fans who are willing to subscribe to his stream, come see him cast events, and otherwise love and enjoy quality discourse on Starcraft are the very reason he gets to have such a kick-ass job. There is a level of mutual appreciation that seems completely lost on Idra. I hope that Idra can realize that he needs his fans in order to enjoy a career as a pro-gamer. As someone working a regular 9-5 job I can't tell you what I'd do to be in Idra's position.I might kill a man. But seriously, his lack of appreciation for such an awesome job is disturbing to me to say the least. If he can't realize how good he has it then perhaps he should hang it up and make room for someone more grateful. | ||
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tomatriedes
New Zealand5356 Posts
This is exactly what I was saying earlier in this thread- that something else must have happened just before and he must have got a warning first and ignored it. Now the action to fire him instantly makes a lot more sense. | ||
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electronic voyeur
United States133 Posts
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0x5f3759df
Australia17 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:43 Morlock wrote: Bottom on his own terms. Being the 50th best foreigner is the absolute rock bottom for him. But it's the truth, and he needs to acknowledge it before he's able to regain his position. Game sense is extremely strong? His analytical ability is extremely strong, and that gives him a lot of strategic sense. But he's so out of the loop and isolated from his peers that he lacks knowledge of basic timings, unit compositions, counters, etc. And he seems to play how the game ought to be rather than how it actually is. That is not good "game sense". His downfall has already happened, but I don't want to see it. I actually quite like Idra. But I'm telling you: he's trapped in the pit dug by his ego. And if he doesn't gain awareness, he's a lost cause. Frank talk by people on the Internet has helped me a number of times in my life. What I'm saying is actually constructive. Idra would love to be #1 foreigner again, but it will never happen unless he swallows his pride. He's nowhere near as low as you make him out to be. And it's obvious that he recognizes that he's not the best - you have to understand the difference between after-game rage, confidence, and "true arrogance." He has good game sense. He plays "logically." And this is an issue In the sense that abiding by such a structured mindset leaves little room for the possibility that his opponents are stupid. "Out of the loop and isolated from his peers..." I don't think so. Where exactly are you getting this? He watches the latest tourneys. He knows what is going on. He's a pro player for god's sake - he knows all these things. He has explained many times with good sense why he prefers a certain composition over another. Certainly he is more conservative, preferring to work with compositions he understands...but he is nowhere near ignorant as you describe him to be. IdrA's downfall hasn't happened at all...he's just as valuable an asset as he's ever been. If you're speaking in terms of results, he has nowhere to go but up, but otherwise he is firmly rooted and is going nowhere. Certainly some humility to dampen his public persona would be nice, and he shows that he's capable of being humble when times are lowest (read his twitter). | ||
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Sub40APM
6336 Posts
On May 11 2013 14:10 tomatriedes wrote: This is exactly what I was saying earlier in this thread- that something else must have happened just before and he must have got a warning first and ignored it. Now the action to fire him instantly makes a lot more sense. based on that incontrol video, things make more sense and Idra gets a pretty good deal. His severance is a year of rent in SF, that is pretty generous so he doesnt have to worry about being homeless. You have to give props to Incontrol with the way he has handled everything all things considered, once again he reinforces his reputation as an excellent communicator. If he ever hangs it up with EG, he should be snapped up into Blizzard's communications department in a major position. | ||
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Honeybadger
United States821 Posts
Just like any other professional activity where you are being paid, how you act to your customers is insanely important. How well would the YMCA do if it let its employees act like idra to members and other staff? It'd last about six months. If I said any of the toxic things idra has said in a professional setting, the immediacy with which I'd be fired would make my ears ring. Excusing him for just "being himself" stops dead when he is being paid by a professional team to do a job professionally. Saying hurtful and hateful things is never, EVER excusable in a professional setting. I can joke around with my girlfriend all I want, but when I'm at work, I don't touch her and I don't speak to her unprofessionally. Same goes for people I deeply dislike. I will never be anything less than completely professional and courteous, because I'm being PAID, even though I'm a lowly EMT, my employer (and society as a whole) expects me to be there for them on the worst day of their life. | ||
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plogamer
Canada3132 Posts
On May 11 2013 14:28 Qwyn wrote: He's nowhere near as low as you make him out to be. And it's obvious that he recognizes that he's not the best - you have to understand the difference between after-game rage, confidence, and "true arrogance." He has good game sense. He plays "logically." And this is an issue In the sense that abiding by such a structured mindset leaves little room for the possibility that his opponents are stupid. "Out of the loop and isolated from his peers..." I don't think so. Where exactly are you getting this? He watches the latest tourneys. He knows what is going on. He's a pro player for god's sake - he knows all these things. He has explained many times with good sense why he prefers a certain composition over another. Certainly he is more conservative, preferring to work with compositions he understands...but he is nowhere near ignorant as you describe him to be. IdrA's downfall hasn't happened at all...he's just as valuable an asset as he's ever been. If you're speaking in terms of results, he has nowhere to go but up, but otherwise he is firmly rooted and is going nowhere. Certainly some humility to dampen his public persona would be nice, and he shows that he's capable of being humble when times are lowest (read his twitter). Maybe he's not as smart as you think. I don't think Idra deserves all this shit from the community. But I won't let you insult Polt or any other players this way. Polt won because he played BETTER and SMARTER than Idra, not the reverse. If you seriously think people win by being more stupid, then you are beyond help. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:22 FatkiddsLag wrote: From @idrajit: gonna be doing a mini real talk with @itmeJP tomorrow night JP finds a way to get things done. Looking forward to this. | ||
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DMXD
United States4064 Posts
On May 11 2013 12:44 Hrrrrm wrote: For those looking for a little more information Incontrol talks a bit more why this last incident was the final straw for Idra. Idra has an outburst (whole Capoch and cancer dieing thing) sponsors go to EG management say they can't stand for that type of talk. Management talks with Idra, management tells sponsors they've had a chat and it won't happen again. A week later Idra makes basically a worse comment since it's directed to the community that this whole industry relies on and they have to pull the plug. Idra did it to himself sadly. Video Link wow thank for the link. The whole situation make much more sense now. | ||
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wtfchuck
United States15 Posts
It may be easy to mistake all those trolls saying ridiculous things behind the safety and anonymity of the internet for your only fan-base when they're watching day in and day out waiting to point out your failures. From there the most common emotional reactions will be despair/sadness or frustration/aggression. He chose frustration and aggression. Either way he should be happy with whatever he decides to do with himself in life and this is life saying to take a step back and take a look around. I wish him the best and hope to be able to watch him stream again soon. | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:54 LightSpectra wrote: So..... anybody else find it ironic that IdrA said of Naniwa, when he was in Code S Ro8, that he was only succeeding because he had a lucky team deal and once his personality ("awful human being") got him kicked off every team he wouldn't have results anymore. Fast forward to 2013, Naniwa's a Dreamhack finalist and IdrA is being released for having absolutely no results and for his disorderly personality. And now Naniwa is the one on EG ( i mean Alliance LOL ). Its come full circle. | ||
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jackstitties
United States43 Posts
On May 11 2013 13:54 LightSpectra wrote: So..... anybody else find it ironic that IdrA said of Naniwa, when he was in Code S Ro8, that he was only succeeding because he had a lucky team deal and once his personality ("awful human being") got him kicked off every team he wouldn't have results anymore. Fast forward to 2013, Naniwa's a Dreamhack finalist and IdrA is being released for having absolutely no results and for his disorderly personality. Absolutely perfect. | ||
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