On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
chef ramsay doesn't ragequit when something doesn't go his way either.
Have you ever watched Hell's Kitchen like ......ever. For the first 4-5 episodes every season he "Ragequits," before dinner is finished. He yells at customers who try to make complaints.
I would rage too if I had to work with those stupid Americans who think they know how to cook. God they're bad. Same for the people he helps out in Kitchen Nightmares.
On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote: why are people saying idra hated his job? this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
well I know I'm a very sore loser too, this translated into poker when I started and I still get mad over losses but it would be a big lie to say I hate my job...
like despite losing you still enjoy what you're doing overall, he had a good quality of life and could play starcraft and get paid a good living for it, I really doubt he hated that
He doesn't. He even stated recently (literally a week, 2 max) that he knows how good he has it and how much more fun it is to do what he does, getting paid to play a video game over any other job.
Saying something and truly believing it are two different things.
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete.
I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained.
Do you want SC2 to become a part of trashy celebrity culture like everything else the fucking media dwells on? Really? We don't have the luxury to do that because we are still working our way into mainstream culture.
You sort of do.... the media works on stories that people are interested in. If SC2 was mainstream (which imo it never will be), then drama and trashy stories will follow. It's almost a signal of being actually important enough for people to care about.
if competition is what matters in the end, everything is fine. if you look at soccer there are tons of dramas going on, but in the end it's about winning trophies. every legit sport is that way, the more attention, the more drama, but in the end competition is the deciding factor. SC2 has to stay that way. If entertainment surpasses competition esports won't last long.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
I think the difference is that comedians usually don't have long careers if they aren't funny. Or genuinely care about entertaining their audience.
Doug Stanhope is funny, but his comedy has gotten angrier and angrier, more contemptuous of his audience and society as a whole, and he has pretty much marginalized himself. He's rarely on TV, has no prospects, and survives living on the road.
Sam Kinison flamed out, too, partially because of his anger and sense of entitlement.
Louis CK directly insults his fans on Twitter constantly. But he also really, really, really works hard to make people laugh. He has new material every year. And he makes fun of himself as much as the world.
If IdrA just showed some humility or graciousness once in a while and showed his love for the game, he probably would still be on EG, despite his rage issues.
well at least Chael Sonnel put up a good fight against Silva, he lost convincingly to a broken toe Jon, he's still back it up with a good manner and respect after the game. IdrA is nothing but a big joke. He made money off by ppl that making fun of him. You know like a clown. If you ever watched his stream chat, they're just full of trolls. I'm wondering why ppl are fan of him when he doesn't have any result for 2 years, his rage is getting old. There is nothing left for EG to use after Idra gave their customers a big "fuck you". It's like a McDonald's owner, you don't give a shit when your employee talks trash about Wendy or In n Out or with his co-worker. But when that employee laugh and say:" you're fat fucks" to customers. It's over.
On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote: why are people saying idra hated his job? this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
well I know I'm a very sore loser too, this translated into poker when I started and I still get mad over losses but it would be a big lie to say I hate my job...
like despite losing you still enjoy what you're doing overall, he had a good quality of life and could play starcraft and get paid a good living for it, I really doubt he hated that
He doesn't. He even stated recently (literally a week, 2 max) that he knows how good he has it and how much more fun it is to do what he does, getting paid to play a video game over any other job.
Saying something and truly believing it are two different things.
But it's ok if we only believe the things he said about hating the game and it being bad. We can waive this rule for that.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Well, in one regard Idra imo isn't totally wrong. This community sometimes has a lot of "sheep". Just imagine Idra would have dominated his wcs-group as he was able to 2 years ago - he would have been the story of the week and most people wouldn't have cared about his post. But this is not entirely my point - I believe EG sees his players as most company’s would do as a sort of profit-center and I'm pretty sure, they think they can get better return of their money with other investments so they took the opportunity given and released Idra over this.
If you think Idra wasn't going to still be a valuable asset to EG, regardless of whether he won in WCS or not, I'd have to say you are out of touch. I don't think there's any way they would have released Idra if he hadn't made that statement on a public forum.
And from the press release, Alex Garfield made that point - that Idra crossed the line with the worst transgression to date. I don't think there's a conspiracy here. It's Idra's fault that he's in this position. Idra, and no one else.
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete.
I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained.
Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG.
IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner.
thats like saying park ji sung is the most accomplished korean footballer...so lets put him in the same spot as messi?
This money comes from the foreign scene. The sponsors are foreign. The team is foreign. IdrA is foreign. And I'm not saying the best of this nation, I'm saying the best apart from this nation. What he did was very, very unique.
but clearly not the best in this sport as a whole. being the best of a minority league/area does not mean he can be compared to the actual people dominating the scene as tiger woods once did. i'm saying tiger woods to idra is a horrible example.
I'm sorry, this isn't soccer, and quite frankly our community has proven it again and again, we don't give a .. about skill, so it's a poor analogy.
EG was built on IdrA and the other way around. That's why so many people can't imagine them being apart. Also it's not a "minority area", wtf T_T it's everywhere EXCEPT from Korea, OH and did you forget GSL? I guess that's a minority league too. IdrA is definitely no skill. And well, in soccer we don't really talk about folk from spain vs everyone else like we do in sc2 with folk from korea vs FOREIGNERS. It's a thing, and he is the most accomplished of those foreigners.
Oh and he is also, probably, the most valuable player.
He is definitely accomplished in what he did. I don't know how you can even think he is not.
That said, it's also one of the reasons why skill doesn't get you out of bm in sc, and why EG doesn't release players based on their performance, or why IdrA's skill isn't mentioned at all in the OP.
how long do you think kobe, tiger, vick gonna be out of a job? a few seconds? lets see when idra get picked up by a team.
Vick was out of a job for a long time, because he was in jail.
But I think you're right, regardless of what you think about his skill or accomplishments he is incredibly marketable.
I wouldn't be surprised if a small team stretches it's finances to the limit to the sign him, because any team he is on is instantly going to get a lot of exposure.
I hope he signs with Axiom though, would probably be a good fit. I also think his BM will greatly improve, and his play. He is probably going to be motivated. I can't wait to see his games in the challenger league. I pity his opponents.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
chef ramsay doesn't ragequit when something doesn't go his way either.
That is a ragequit bro.
don't know what ur point about vick's jail term. maybe they have sc2 in prison...
On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote: why are people saying idra hated his job? this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
well I know I'm a very sore loser too, this translated into poker when I started and I still get mad over losses but it would be a big lie to say I hate my job...
like despite losing you still enjoy what you're doing overall, he had a good quality of life and could play starcraft and get paid a good living for it, I really doubt he hated that
He doesn't. He even stated recently (literally a week, 2 max) that he knows how good he has it and how much more fun it is to do what he does, getting paid to play a video game over any other job.
Saying something and truly believing it are two different things.
But it's ok if we only believe the things he said about hating the game and it being bad. We can waive this rule for that.
I never suggested that. BTW you might want to research what he actually said.
I just think the guy is in a bad spot in life and I truly wish him the best of luck in getting better. I have (as most of you have) had low points in life and it's no fun at all.
suprise suprise but i dont know if this is not only start of EG kicking old players( in my opinion they all time know what idra can do ) Puma , Lzgamer now Idra who is next ??? If they force out or kick another player in next few months we know from where wind come .
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
chef ramsay doesn't ragequit when something doesn't go his way either.
That's television, Hell's Kitchen is not about cooking. Also the American version is so ridiculously sensationalised compared to the UK version, it's quite obvious American audiences expect more 'drama'. You should check out his Kitchen Nightmare series (again the UK version, not the bullshit every-poor-sap-has-a-sob-story American version). He really goes out of his way to turn the places around, I know it's his job for the show and all, but even when the owners are as stubborn as mules and the head chefs are incredibly incompetent he never gives up on them.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
Lol really? You're equating Idra's behavior to a comedy routine - a form of entertainment where someone makes a joke that sometimes involves the audience? Comedian's of all people know how fickle a crowd can be - it takes some serious skill to get away with insulting the audience even as a joke, much less being absolutely serious as Idra was.
You're forgetting that Idra didn't just call his entire audience "a bunch of fucks", he went a step further and actually stated that EG endorses his attacks and that he is making money every time he exhibits abusive behavior towards anyone, including innocent bystanders.
Trust me man, if someone is being told they are a stupid, fat "fuck" and a "sheep" after entering a bakery to buy a pastry, do you really think they are going to continue patronizing that business? Anyone who thinks that they can retain customers this way is out of touch with reality and the target audience of companies like EG.
Honestly, if someone told me that when I walked into their bakery, I'd find it pretty humorous and buy my pastries anyway. Surprising character to find in a bakery, ya know? Spices things up.
Also, we aren't really sure if Idra was 100% serious or just making a sarcastic remark with some truth in it.
I think you're out of touch. Most people wouldn't find it funny and wouldn't continue to buy products. As a die-hard fan, or perhaps someone looking for some strange "spice", you might buy something, but the masses of casual viewers don't like to be called "fucks" and "sheep".
Idra knew how serious his post was - someone as tactically affluent as he could not possibly have been ignorant of the consequences. He knew what he was saying and he stood by his statement by not making any attempt to clarify it.
On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote: why are people saying idra hated his job? this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
well I know I'm a very sore loser too, this translated into poker when I started and I still get mad over losses but it would be a big lie to say I hate my job...
like despite losing you still enjoy what you're doing overall, he had a good quality of life and could play starcraft and get paid a good living for it, I really doubt he hated that
He doesn't. He even stated recently (literally a week, 2 max) that he knows how good he has it and how much more fun it is to do what he does, getting paid to play a video game over any other job.
Saying something and truly believing it are two different things.
oh pardon me sir, now you can read through his feelings
On May 11 2013 04:12 tomatriedes wrote: Anyone else find it funny that EG used to deliberately play up and market Idra's 'bad boy' image and now they fire him for the very same thing? What I find really strange is that they didn't give him a warning or suspend him first. Arguably Stephano's admission of statutory rape was just as bad and he got only a suspension. I really think there's more to this story that we don't know about. Possibly Garfield demanded Idra apologize and he refused or perhaps Idra insulted Garfield directly?
I would say there were probably plenty of warnings behind the back, even if we don't see them.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
Lol really? You're equating Idra's behavior to a comedy routine - a form of entertainment where someone makes a joke that sometimes involves the audience? Comedian's of all people know how fickle a crowd can be - it takes some serious skill to get away with insulting the audience even as a joke, much less being absolutely serious as Idra was.
You're forgetting that Idra didn't just call his entire audience "a bunch of fucks", he went a step further and actually stated that EG endorses his attacks and that he is making money every time he exhibits abusive behavior towards anyone, including innocent bystanders.
Trust me man, if someone is being told they are a stupid, fat "fuck" and a "sheep" after entering a bakery to buy a pastry, do you really think they are going to continue patronizing that business? Anyone who thinks that they can retain customers this way is out of touch with reality and the target audience of companies like EG.
Honestly, if someone told me that when I walked into their bakery, I'd find it pretty humorous and buy my pastries anyway. Surprising character to find in a bakery, ya know? Spices things up.
Also, we aren't really sure if Idra was 100% serious or just making a sarcastic remark with some truth in it.
I think you're out of touch. Most people wouldn't find it funny and wouldn't continue to buy products. Idra knew how serious his post was - someone as tactically affluent as he could not possibly have been ignorant of the consequences. He knew what he was saying and he stood by his statement by not making any attempt to clarify it.
Obviously most people wouldn't react that way.......
But why would he clarify it? He really didn't seem to care that much in the first place, haha. He probably would have been in a much better position if he did, but that clearly was not a huge concern to him.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
Lol really? You're equating Idra's behavior to a comedy routine - a form of entertainment where someone makes a joke that sometimes involves the audience? Comedian's of all people know how fickle a crowd can be - it takes some serious skill to get away with insulting the audience even as a joke, much less being absolutely serious as Idra was.
You're forgetting that Idra didn't just call his entire audience "a bunch of fucks", he went a step further and actually stated that EG endorses his attacks and that he is making money every time he exhibits abusive behavior towards anyone, including innocent bystanders.
Trust me man, if someone is being told they are a stupid, fat "fuck" and a "sheep" after entering a bakery to buy a pastry, do you really think they are going to continue patronizing that business? Anyone who thinks that they can retain customers this way is out of touch with reality and the target audience of companies like EG.
Honestly, if someone told me that when I walked into their bakery, I'd find it pretty humorous and buy my pastries anyway. Surprising character to find in a bakery, ya know? Spices things up.
Also, we aren't really sure if Idra was 100% serious or just making a sarcastic remark with some truth in it.
I think you're out of touch. Most people wouldn't find it funny and wouldn't continue to buy products. Idra knew how serious his post was - someone as tactically affluent as he could not possibly have been ignorant of the consequences. He knew what he was saying and he stood by his statement by not making any attempt to clarify it.
Obviously most people wouldn't react that way.......
But why would he clarify it? He really didn't seem to care that much in the first place, haha. He probably would have been in a much better position if he did, but that clearly was not a huge concern to him.
Why would he clarify his statement? The guy lost his job because he chose to generalize and verbally abuse his entire audience. How hard would it have been to make a statement on his twitter saying: "I love my real fans and viewers - but the trolls get to me sometimes" or something to that effect?
We have a relatively forgiving community if Idra's past is any indication. He left absolutely no room for ambiguity this time - he wanted everyone to know that hates their guts and what he really thinks of them.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
Lol really? You're equating Idra's behavior to a comedy routine - a form of entertainment where someone makes a joke that sometimes involves the audience? Comedian's of all people know how fickle a crowd can be - it takes some serious skill to get away with insulting the audience even as a joke, much less being absolutely serious as Idra was.
You're forgetting that Idra didn't just call his entire audience "a bunch of fucks", he went a step further and actually stated that EG endorses his attacks and that he is making money every time he exhibits abusive behavior towards anyone, including innocent bystanders.
Trust me man, if someone is being told they are a stupid, fat "fuck" and a "sheep" after entering a bakery to buy a pastry, do you really think they are going to continue patronizing that business? Anyone who thinks that they can retain customers this way is out of touch with reality and the target audience of companies like EG.
Honestly, if someone told me that when I walked into their bakery, I'd find it pretty humorous and buy my pastries anyway. Surprising character to find in a bakery, ya know? Spices things up.
Also, we aren't really sure if Idra was 100% serious or just making a sarcastic remark with some truth in it.
I think you're out of touch. Most people wouldn't find it funny and wouldn't continue to buy products. Idra knew how serious his post was - someone as tactically affluent as he could not possibly have been ignorant of the consequences. He knew what he was saying and he stood by his statement by not making any attempt to clarify it.
Obviously most people wouldn't react that way.......
But why would he clarify it? He really didn't seem to care that much in the first place, haha. He probably would have been in a much better position if he did, but that clearly was not a huge concern to him.
Alex already clarified it for him. He DOESN't get paid to do it, lol.
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