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On May 11 2013 03:45 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:41 Integra wrote:On May 11 2013 03:40 Roe wrote:On May 11 2013 03:37 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Seems like IdrA has hit rock bottom, I doubt he will be playing SC2 for much longer. I wonder if his parents will still pay for a college education He have made enough money to pay for it and more, so don't you worry about that. has he really?
you can be 1000000% positive about that
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On May 11 2013 03:45 Roe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:41 Integra wrote:On May 11 2013 03:40 Roe wrote:On May 11 2013 03:37 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Seems like IdrA has hit rock bottom, I doubt he will be playing SC2 for much longer. I wonder if his parents will still pay for a college education He have made enough money to pay for it and more, so don't you worry about that. has he really?
Yes, he had a decent pay from EG and he hardly used any of it since he was playing SC2 on his free time and since EG provided most of the food and housing etc, source from IdrA during one of his Q and A sessions on his stream.
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On May 11 2013 03:14 achan1058 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:10 boxerfred wrote:
lol, calling idra a nobody... I bet my next salary on the fact that idra is more attractive to sponsors than mvp sniper, who did win the GSL at least once. He's so known - imagine CMStorm would sponsor him as they do with Polt. Everyone would be like "whoa, did you hear, idra is now going with CMStorm". But, when Sniper would leave his team, MVP, there would'nt be 10 pages in the comment section of the TL-announcement. Go listen to SotG #93, INcontrol can explain that way better than I can. While Idra may have more publicity, it does not mean that such publicity is positive. I mean, if you want negative publicity, Com***EX is probably cheaper than Idra.
True. That might cause problems for IdrA finding a new team (if he desires to go on with sc2), just like it did for Naniwa - though I don't think that Naniwa has half the marketing value idra has.
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Am I the only one hoping IdrA streams today? He'll get like 25k viewers.
Seriously though, IdrA has shown a tendency to be very disrespectful and even an inability to gauge what is and is not appropriate in a given situation.
That said, I wish him well. He is obviously a very intelligent and dedicated person. I hope he can go on to overcome difficulties and find success in whatever he may choose to pursue. He is already a very visible feature of the esports scene and I hope he will use this further increase in visibility to do something positive.
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On May 11 2013 03:44 jinorazi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:42 Sqorpion wrote:On May 11 2013 03:40 jinorazi wrote:On May 11 2013 03:38 Sqorpion wrote:On May 11 2013 03:36 MilesCru wrote:On May 11 2013 03:26 Wampaibist wrote:On May 11 2013 03:19 timurStas wrote:
Hello,
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete. I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained. Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG. IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner. thats like saying park ji sung is the most accomplished korean footballer...so lets put him in the same spot as messi? This money comes from the foreign scene. The sponsors are foreign. The team is foreign. IdrA is foreign. And I'm not saying the best of this nation, I'm saying the best apart from this nation. What he did was very, very unique. but clearly not the best in this sport as a whole. being the best of a minority league/area does not mean he can be compared to the actual people dominating the scene as tiger woods once did. i'm saying tiger woods to idra is a horrible example.
I'm sorry, this isn't soccer, and quite frankly our community has proven it again and again, we don't give a .. about skill, so it's a poor analogy.
EG was built on IdrA and the other way around. That's why so many people can't imagine them being apart.
Also it's not a "minority area", wtf T_T it's everywhere EXCEPT from Korea, OH and did you forget GSL? I guess that's a minority league too. IdrA is definitely no skill.
And well, in soccer we don't really talk about folk from spain vs everyone else like we do in sc2 with folk from korea vs FOREIGNERS. It's a thing, and he is the most accomplished of those foreigners.
Oh and he is also, probably, the most valuable player.
He is definitely accomplished in what he did. I don't know how you can even think he is not.
That said, it's also one of the reasons why skill doesn't get you out of bm in sc, and why EG doesn't release players based on their performance, or why IdrA's skill isn't mentioned at all in the OP.
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On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote:
why are people saying idra hated his job?
this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
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On May 11 2013 03:49 MikeyH wrote:
Am I the only one hoping IdrA streams today? He'll get like 25k viewers.
Seriously though, IdrA has shown a tendency to be very disrespectful and even an inability to gauge what is and is not appropriate in a given situation.
That said, I wish him well. He is obviously a very intelligent and dedicated person. I hope he can go on to overcome difficulties and find success in whatever he may choose to pursue. He is already a very visible feature of the esports scene and I hope he will use this further increase in visibility to do something positive.
He is free of that obligation. I don't know about you, but the times i had quitted a job, i took a few crazy weeks off 
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On May 11 2013 03:45 wptlzkwjd wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:40 MilesCru wrote:On May 11 2013 03:38 Sqorpion wrote:On May 11 2013 03:36 MilesCru wrote:On May 11 2013 03:26 Wampaibist wrote:On May 11 2013 03:19 timurStas wrote:
Hello,
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete. I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained. Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG. IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner. not in sc2 Nor in BW lol, Grrr...anyone?
I meant the franchise.
Also, Grrr... was before everyone were on super strict training, I'm pretty sure he even said that himself. I don't think he would consider himself more accomplished than IdrA.
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On May 11 2013 03:45 Myt wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote:
In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck. You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him. But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
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Hard to hear IdrA not being on EG. It just doesn't feel right to me. Sad to see him go but maybe this could be a positive change for him as a player. We will never know till something happens. I just hope people aren't so brutal to him or anyone when they make dumbass mistakes. It happens to all of us.
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On May 11 2013 03:53 Godwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:49 MikeyH wrote:
Am I the only one hoping IdrA streams today? He'll get like 25k viewers.
Seriously though, IdrA has shown a tendency to be very disrespectful and even an inability to gauge what is and is not appropriate in a given situation.
That said, I wish him well. He is obviously a very intelligent and dedicated person. I hope he can go on to overcome difficulties and find success in whatever he may choose to pursue. He is already a very visible feature of the esports scene and I hope he will use this further increase in visibility to do something positive. He is free of that obligation. I don't know about you, but the times i had quitted a job, i took a few crazy weeks off
I think anybody would be a little bit depressed if you were sacked and not doing anything productive for a while. Idra should just go back to college with the saved money he has imo
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On May 11 2013 03:51 Sqorpion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:44 jinorazi wrote:On May 11 2013 03:42 Sqorpion wrote:On May 11 2013 03:40 jinorazi wrote:On May 11 2013 03:38 Sqorpion wrote:On May 11 2013 03:36 MilesCru wrote:On May 11 2013 03:26 Wampaibist wrote:On May 11 2013 03:19 timurStas wrote:
Hello,
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete. I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained. Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG. IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner. thats like saying park ji sung is the most accomplished korean footballer...so lets put him in the same spot as messi? This money comes from the foreign scene. The sponsors are foreign. The team is foreign. IdrA is foreign. And I'm not saying the best of this nation, I'm saying the best apart from this nation. What he did was very, very unique. but clearly not the best in this sport as a whole. being the best of a minority league/area does not mean he can be compared to the actual people dominating the scene as tiger woods once did. i'm saying tiger woods to idra is a horrible example. I'm sorry, this isn't soccer, and quite frankly our community has proven it again and again, we don't give a .. about skill, so it's a poor analogy. EG was built on IdrA and the other way around. That's why so many people can't imagine them being apart. Also it's not a "minority area", wtf T_T it's everywhere EXCEPT from Korea, OH and did you forget GSL? I guess that's a minority league too. IdrA is definitely no skill. And well, in soccer we don't really talk about folk from spain vs everyone else like we do in sc2 with folk from korea vs FOREIGNERS. It's a thing, and he is the most accomplished of those foreigners. Oh and he is also, probably, the most valuable player. He is definitely accomplished in what he did. I don't know how you can even think he is not. That said, it's also one of the reasons why skill doesn't get you out of bm in sc, and why EG doesn't release players based on their performance, or why IdrA's skill isn't mentioned at all in the OP.
how long do you think kobe, tiger, vick gonna be out of a job? a few seconds? lets see when idra get picked up by a team.
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We are all fucks and sheeps. i admire how he isnt afraid to tell us the truth.
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On May 11 2013 03:53 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:45 Myt wrote:On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote:
In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck. You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him. But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff. This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable. EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd". That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep". When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
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On May 11 2013 03:53 SCST wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:45 Myt wrote:On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote:
In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck. You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him. But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff. This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable. EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd". That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep". When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
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To be honest, I understand why EG did what they did but I will still follow idra as he is entertaining.
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all u people cant handle the truth so u hate him.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On May 11 2013 03:38 Sqorpion wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:36 MilesCru wrote:On May 11 2013 03:26 Wampaibist wrote:On May 11 2013 03:19 timurStas wrote:
Hello,
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete. I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained. Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG. IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner.
Didn't get as far as Jinro in GSL
Didn't win MLG as much as Huk
Hasn't won a Proleague match like Thorzain
Doesn't beat Koreans as much as Stephano
etc....
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On May 11 2013 03:57 Magic_Mike wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:53 SCST wrote:On May 11 2013 03:45 Myt wrote:On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote:
In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck. You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him. But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff. This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable. EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd". That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep". When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is. Works for Chef Ramsey.
Gordon Ramsey doesn't insult his customers.
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On May 11 2013 03:47 Integra wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 03:45 Roe wrote:On May 11 2013 03:41 Integra wrote:On May 11 2013 03:40 Roe wrote:On May 11 2013 03:37 TheWorldToCome wrote:
Seems like IdrA has hit rock bottom, I doubt he will be playing SC2 for much longer. I wonder if his parents will still pay for a college education He have made enough money to pay for it and more, so don't you worry about that. has he really? Yes, he had a decent pay from EG and he hardly used any of it since he was playing SC2 on his free time and since EG provided most of the food and housing etc, source from IdrA during one of his Q and A sessions on his stream.
So said Incontrol yesterday.
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