On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
chef ramsay doesn't ragequit when something doesn't go his way either.
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete.
I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained.
Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG.
IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner.
thats like saying park ji sung is the most accomplished korean footballer...so lets put him in the same spot as messi?
This money comes from the foreign scene. The sponsors are foreign. The team is foreign. IdrA is foreign. And I'm not saying the best of this nation, I'm saying the best apart from this nation. What he did was very, very unique.
but clearly not the best in this sport as a whole. being the best of a minority league/area does not mean he can be compared to the actual people dominating the scene as tiger woods once did. i'm saying tiger woods to idra is a horrible example.
I'm sorry, this isn't soccer, and quite frankly our community has proven it again and again, we don't give a .. about skill, so it's a poor analogy.
EG was built on IdrA and the other way around. That's why so many people can't imagine them being apart. Also it's not a "minority area", wtf T_T it's everywhere EXCEPT from Korea, OH and did you forget GSL? I guess that's a minority league too. IdrA is definitely no skill. And well, in soccer we don't really talk about folk from spain vs everyone else like we do in sc2 with folk from korea vs FOREIGNERS. It's a thing, and he is the most accomplished of those foreigners.
Oh and he is also, probably, the most valuable player.
He is definitely accomplished in what he did. I don't know how you can even think he is not.
That said, it's also one of the reasons why skill doesn't get you out of bm in sc, and why EG doesn't release players based on their performance, or why IdrA's skill isn't mentioned at all in the OP.
how long do you think kobe, tiger, vick gonna be out of a job? a few seconds? lets see when idra get picked up by a team.
Vick was out of a job for a long time, because he was in jail.
But I think you're right, regardless of what you think about his skill or accomplishments he is incredibly marketable.
I wouldn't be surprised if a small team stretches it's finances to the limit to the sign him, because any team he is on is instantly going to get a lot of exposure.
I hope he signs with Axiom though, would probably be a good fit. I also think his BM will greatly improve, and his play. He is probably going to be motivated. I can't wait to see his games in the challenger league. I pity his opponents.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
chef ramsay doesn't ragequit when something doesn't go his way either.
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete.
I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained.
Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG.
IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner.
thats like saying park ji sung is the most accomplished korean footballer...so lets put him in the same spot as messi?
This money comes from the foreign scene. The sponsors are foreign. The team is foreign. IdrA is foreign. And I'm not saying the best of this nation, I'm saying the best apart from this nation. What he did was very, very unique.
but clearly not the best in this sport as a whole. being the best of a minority league/area does not mean he can be compared to the actual people dominating the scene as tiger woods once did. i'm saying tiger woods to idra is a horrible example.
I'm sorry, this isn't soccer, and quite frankly our community has proven it again and again, we don't give a .. about skill, so it's a poor analogy.
EG was built on IdrA and the other way around. That's why so many people can't imagine them being apart. Also it's not a "minority area", wtf T_T it's everywhere EXCEPT from Korea, OH and did you forget GSL? I guess that's a minority league too. IdrA is definitely no skill. And well, in soccer we don't really talk about folk from spain vs everyone else like we do in sc2 with folk from korea vs FOREIGNERS. It's a thing, and he is the most accomplished of those foreigners.
Oh and he is also, probably, the most valuable player.
He is definitely accomplished in what he did. I don't know how you can even think he is not.
That said, it's also one of the reasons why skill doesn't get you out of bm in sc, and why EG doesn't release players based on their performance, or why IdrA's skill isn't mentioned at all in the OP.
soccer is indeed a global sport and is compared to each other constantly and peaking every 4 years (world cup).
you seem to be perfectly fine in turning sc2 into WWE, no competition and pure entertainment. if thats what people want, i hope they can latch themselves to a different game and leave sc2 alone.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete.
I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained.
Do you want SC2 to become a part of trashy celebrity culture like everything else the fucking media dwells on? Really? We don't have the luxury to do that because we are still working our way into mainstream culture.
You sort of do.... the media works on stories that people are interested in. If SC2 was mainstream (which imo it never will be), then drama and trashy stories will follow. It's almost a signal of being actually important enough for people to care about.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
Maybe you should watch some of his British produced shows from his own restaurant. He has never said anything remotely mean to any of his customers and he is really nice to his own employes.
Just because you watch an acted show produced for Sheep that watch such bullshit.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
Lol really? You're equating Idra's behavior to a comedy routine - a form of entertainment where someone makes a joke that sometimes involves the audience? Comedian's of all people know how fickle a crowd can be - it takes some serious skill to get away with insulting the audience even as a joke, much less being absolutely serious as Idra was.
You're forgetting that Idra didn't just call his entire audience "a bunch of fucks", he went a step further and actually stated that EG endorses his attacks and that he is making money every time he exhibits abusive behavior towards anyone, including innocent bystanders.
Trust me man, if someone is being told they are a stupid, fat "fuck" and a "sheep" after entering a bakery to buy a pastry, do you really think they are going to continue patronizing that business? Anyone who thinks that they can retain customers this way is out of touch with reality and the target audience of companies like EG.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
chef ramsay doesn't ragequit when something doesn't go his way either.
Have you ever watched Hell's Kitchen like ......ever. For the first 4-5 episodes every season he "Ragequits," before dinner is finished. He yells at customers who try to make complaints.
What I dont get is why athletes/celebs can behave poorly in public/towards the community yet progamers cannot. I can understand releasing him due to poor performance(i don't really follow sports so I dont know about his performance) but kicking him out due to behavior to me shows more of a weakness of the management of EG rather than idra because they could not control him. In classic sports to get kicked off a team or out of the sport for behaviour you have to do some terrible stuff - i.e Mike Tyson had to bite and ear off before they kicked him out of boxing, his rape beef even did nothing. Kobes rape beef also did not stop him, neighter did Vicks dog fighting involvement. Idra tells some people to fuck off and hes off the team. To me thats a little crazy.
p.s despite all Tyson is still my fav athlete.
I can't agree more. After Tiger woods incident he lost some sponsors but nike remained.
Dude.. tiger, Tyson, kobe, vick have all accomplished a lot in their respective sports. but, idra, in sc2 (don't know about bw) has done that well... and when you embarrass your company like that you will get fired. kudos to EG.
IdrA is the most accomplished foreigner.
thats like saying park ji sung is the most accomplished korean footballer...so lets put him in the same spot as messi?
This money comes from the foreign scene. The sponsors are foreign. The team is foreign. IdrA is foreign. And I'm not saying the best of this nation, I'm saying the best apart from this nation. What he did was very, very unique.
but clearly not the best in this sport as a whole. being the best of a minority league/area does not mean he can be compared to the actual people dominating the scene as tiger woods once did. i'm saying tiger woods to idra is a horrible example.
I'm sorry, this isn't soccer, and quite frankly our community has proven it again and again, we don't give a .. about skill, so it's a poor analogy.
EG was built on IdrA and the other way around. That's why so many people can't imagine them being apart. Also it's not a "minority area", wtf T_T it's everywhere EXCEPT from Korea, OH and did you forget GSL? I guess that's a minority league too. IdrA is definitely no skill. And well, in soccer we don't really talk about folk from spain vs everyone else like we do in sc2 with folk from korea vs FOREIGNERS. It's a thing, and he is the most accomplished of those foreigners.
Oh and he is also, probably, the most valuable player.
He is definitely accomplished in what he did. I don't know how you can even think he is not.
That said, it's also one of the reasons why skill doesn't get you out of bm in sc, and why EG doesn't release players based on their performance, or why IdrA's skill isn't mentioned at all in the OP.
how long do you think kobe, tiger, vick gonna be out of a job? a few seconds? lets see when idra get picked up by a team.
On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote: why are people saying idra hated his job? this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
well I know I'm a very sore loser too, this translated into poker when I started and I still get mad over losses but it would be a big lie to say I hate my job...
like despite losing you still enjoy what you're doing overall, he had a good quality of life and could play starcraft and get paid a good living for it, I really doubt he hated that
Why did someone link the video of Chef Ramsay when it is staged? It's like saying the people in wrestling are actually very angry individuals RAGGHHHWGHHHHHhhhHHHH and not just acting for the "drama".
On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote: why are people saying idra hated his job? this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
well I know I'm a very sore loser too, this translated into poker when I started and I still get mad over losses but it would be a big lie to say I hate my job...
like despite losing you still enjoy what you're doing overall, he had a good quality of life and could play starcraft and get paid a good living for it, I really doubt he hated that
He doesn't. He even stated recently (literally a week, 2 max) that he knows how good he has it and how much more fun it is to do what he does, getting paid to play a video game over any other job.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Well, in one regard Idra imo isn't totally wrong. This community sometimes has a lot of "sheep". Just imagine Idra would have dominated his wcs-group as he was able to 2 years ago - he would have been the story of the week and most people wouldn't have cared about his post. But this is not entirely my point - I believe EG sees his players as most company’s would do as a sort of profit-center and I'm pretty sure, they think they can get better return of their money with other investments so they took the opportunity given and released Idra over this.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Works for Chef Ramsey.
chef ramsay doesn't ragequit when something doesn't go his way either.
Have you ever watched Hell's Kitchen like ......ever. For the first 4-5 episodes every season he "Ragequits," before dinner is finished. He yells at customers who try to make complaints.
On May 11 2013 02:16 IPA wrote: In professional life, you can't act like a spoiled, raging child and expect your employers to deal with it. I applaud EG for treating their business like a business and not like a day care center.
IdrA -- you can be relevent without being immature (I hope). Find your path bud. Your lack of respect for the community, other players, and yourself has become painful to see. Good luck.
You are probably right about his behavior and his professionalism - this is also the reason why I'm not a fan of him.
But the first thought in my mind after reading this news was that EG took the opportunity to get rid of Idra. This is of course pure speculation from myself but he got probably as much salary as their hole Korean Proleauge-Linup with exception of JD and Idra's level and his popularity and therefore his worth for EG slowly faded away through the last year. (just look at tournament results and stream numbers) I'm pretty sure if he would still be on top of his career EG would never released him for this stuff.
This isn't an unreasonable speculation, but I think it's highly improbable.
EG doesn't have a business model that is strictly related to skill-base - they also invest in strong personalities that get exposure (i.e Geoff. "Incontrol" Robinson). Idra, though quite the opposite of Incontrol with regards to his professionalism and personality, still was able to be marketed as a "tough" guy / "badass nerd".
That image of Idra, however, is severely damaged when he openly taunted and insulted his entire viewership and customer-base. To think that Idra's viewership only consisted of die-hard fans or trolls is ridiculous - it was mostly a casual audience that wasn't heavily invested in Idra, but had disposable income and enjoyed being part of the e-sports scene. He literally told those people, who have nothing to do with any drama or anything, really, that they were all "fucks" and "sheep".
When you say something like that to your customers, it's unrecoverable. I'll reiterate that it's like owning a bakery, and every time a customer walks in you say: "You're a fat fuck, can't believe you actually buy my pastries HAHA". . . regardless of who the customer is.
Except that people are fans of comedians who do nothing but insult them. I just think there has to be more going on that we don't know about for them to release IdrA. For all the "HE WAS MEAN TO HIS FANS!!!" going on in this thread people sure ate it up for several years. There's something else going on here that...really I don't care about. I just hope IdrA can remake his image into something marketable and get picked up again or find another career. Being unemployed sucks balls.
Lol really? You're equating Idra's behavior to a comedy routine - a form of entertainment where someone makes a joke that sometimes involves the audience? Comedian's of all people know how fickle a crowd can be - it takes some serious skill to get away with insulting the audience even as a joke, much less being absolutely serious as Idra was.
You're forgetting that Idra didn't just call his entire audience "a bunch of fucks", he went a step further and actually stated that EG endorses his attacks and that he is making money every time he exhibits abusive behavior towards anyone, including innocent bystanders.
Trust me man, if someone is being told they are a stupid, fat "fuck" and a "sheep" after entering a bakery to buy a pastry, do you really think they are going to continue patronizing that business? Anyone who thinks that they can retain customers this way is out of touch with reality and the target audience of companies like EG.
Honestly, if someone told me that when I walked into their bakery, I'd find it pretty humorous and buy my pastries anyway. Surprising character to find in a bakery, ya know? Spices things up.
Also, we aren't really sure if Idra was 100% serious or just making a sarcastic remark with some truth in it.
Anyone else find it funny that EG used to deliberately play up and market Idra's 'bad boy' image and now they fire him for the very same thing? What I find really strange is that they didn't give him a warning or suspend him first. Arguably Stephano's admission of statutory rape was just as bad and he got only a suspension. I really think there's more to this story that we don't know about. Possibly Garfield demanded Idra apologize and he refused or perhaps Idra insulted Garfield directly?
On May 11 2013 03:44 ROOTFayth wrote: why are people saying idra hated his job? this can't possibly be true
there's a huge difference between hating your job and being mad as fuck when you lose
True, but at the same time are you really enjoying your job (not just job, but life) if it constantly angers you to the point of verbal abuse?
well I know I'm a very sore loser too, this translated into poker when I started and I still get mad over losses but it would be a big lie to say I hate my job...
like despite losing you still enjoy what you're doing overall, he had a good quality of life and could play starcraft and get paid a good living for it, I really doubt he hated that
hehehe I was the same in poker, I hated to lose and sometimes I tilted huge and lost my whole br no joke! I quit playing because I felt I just wasted my time and it wasnt like a job at all, Idra was playing sc2 for a living so I guess he enjoyed the game and you could just listen to his commentary that he had a very good game-sense, he doesn't just like to lose and that tilts him off a lot. For example just look at phil hellmuth, he is talking huge shit when he loses against his opponents and cries like a baby but he is actually a nice guy irl.
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