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On May 09 2013 08:50 Lauriel wrote:
4. Speeding and driving semi-recklessly when I have to go somewhere after playing and losing a few matches. This is the scariest thing, because I could, y'know, die, or cause someone else to die.
If losing ladder games puts you at the risk of placing your's and/or other's life in jeopardy, you should stop putting you in such situation until you've gotten professional help.
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Not going to dip into psychoanalysis based on one forum post, although it does sound like you should probably be seeing someone. It doesn't mean you need to "grow up" or whatever else; you've just got anger issues. They need to be addressed obviously but it doesn't make you an idiot.
What I will say is, it might be helpful to bear in mind that StarCraft 2 is, frankly, a ridiculously punitive game. Like, there are standards of modern game design sanitation that it just does not meet - windows to instantly lose the game that are only seconds long, huge, easy-to-commit mistakes that the game provides no feedback for. People get mad playing it because it does things that make any reasonable gamer mad. It's stupidly, unreasonably hard; fuck, we *still* see pros get supply blocked and they do literally nothing but practice this game.
Not that this justifies breaking things or driving recklessly, not at all. But it might help you to vent your anger more rationally if you take a breath and say "It's not me, it's not him, it's this fucking game."
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I have a masters in psychology and what you describe is a violently (both oral and physical) "let out of steam". This is sometimes called negative catharsis and is often a direct response of frustration. There are individual differences of how we deal with frustration, and some does this violently.
You have to know that this is not the game that makes you become violent. It is you making you become violent. The game is maybe the only thing that makes you this frustrated. Many people deal with frustration by avoiding it. Maybe you have, but this game don't let you avoid it. Well, now it's time to deal with it, because you can't become violent anymore for the sake of yourself and those around you.
(Disclaimer, this is here I would suggest you get proffesional help, but since you don't want to I will not pursue that notion.)
Here something you can do:
-Never, and I mean NEVER, let yourself act violently after a loss. Don't even swear. You have to keep it all in. This is training to deal with frustration, in a nonviolent way. It all starts with your head, and it will stay there.
-Talk about your losses. Yes to you girlfriend or a friend that understands you. Starcraft can be very lonely sometimes, and talking about why you lost or just the game in general is healthy.
-Work out. Simple, this let your body use it's energy. You won't have unspent tension in your muscles that the frustration will seek a outlet for.
-Say gg. Say this and only this after every game. You are playing with another human being, treat them as one.
Hope this helps some.
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On May 12 2013 06:01 Lauriel wrote:
However, I'm pretty confident I'm not depressed, as the only negative feelings of this severity that I experience with any regularity stem from starcraft. As others have said, therapy would only be a last resort for me, as I like to try to solve my problems on my own if possible, and generally feel as though therapy can be somewhat disingenuous. I'd rather not get off on a tangent about that though.
Just because you said this the way you did I think you should talk to someone. I am also someone who tries to solve all my problems on my own and to be frank, unless you are a super genius and at complete peace with yourself and all those around you/the world as it is, this is not possible. Everyone needs help at some point, even if you think this is trivial and just something stemming from starcraft. It sounds stupid, but until you seek talking to someone about things that are bothering you or bring you lots of stress you won't know how much it can help. You also don't have to label it so hard as "therapy". Like many have already said, I think your 'rage' is a little too much for losing in a game. Good luck.
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i would be interested to know how this started for you.
Because im sometimes angry with myself too but not that extreme. Thats not starcraft specific, i think it started with fifa and can happen in other games too. I shout sometimes or bang my fist or my mouse on the table. But only for some seconds. Thats sometimes enough to break a mouse tough. :D
I dont know.. some mouses break really easily. Happened maybe twice :D
If im tired and not able to concentrate, its more likely to happen so i avoid playing when im in no constituition to perform. I think it used to be worse some years ago when i was in highschool and now its just there sometimes and i just try to avoid it.
so im just interested because i dont want it to get worse. Sometimes its just easier to let yourself go than to take a deap breath and compose yourself first before you lose it.
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It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...
I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries.
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On May 13 2013 10:04 Sokrates wrote:
It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...
I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries.
It's especially weird, because in the US you'd probably have to pay a shitload of money for it too.
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On May 13 2013 10:04 Sokrates wrote:
It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...
I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries.
It's not just regular rage though, he's actually putting his own life and those of others at risk. There's clearly some underlying issue/s that would benefit from therapy. Talking to a professional makes for a far easier fix than trying to work it all out by yourself.
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On May 13 2013 10:21 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 10:04 Sokrates wrote:
It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...
I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries. It's not just regular rage though, he's actually putting his own life and those of others at risk. There's clearly some underlying issue/s that would benefit from therapy. Talking to a professional makes for a far easier fix than trying to work it all out by yourself.
1.Costs a lot of money.
2.Takes time.
3.No success guaranteed.
4.Minor issue.
5.How do you know there is "clearly underlying issue" here and not just the rage at a game?
Just a total exaggeration with "putting his and the life of others at risk". A lot of people are stressed out, sleep deprived etc. etc. and driving anyway. Not that it is a good thing but that is just the reality. "Oh you didnt sleep barely at all, well now you are putting your and the life of others at risk." I guess nobody ever would make that excuse in front of his boss.
And then again it would be much smarter to try out some simple things like puniching a boxingbag or whatever before you consider "therapy" and waste a lot of money.
I just dont get that concept of "go see a therapist"...
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On May 13 2013 10:04 Sokrates wrote:
It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...
I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries.
yeah I mean it's not as if he's putting his own health or the lives of others at risk so it's clearly not a serious issue
if you could solve the issue by yourself I think you would have done it by now, don't play the game any time before you need to drive, that would be very irresponsible for you
and yes you should probably talk to a professional, even if it's only just once, what you're describing isn't at all normal and even if it's just related to starcraft at the moment you shouldn't avoid confronting this as it seems very dangerous and harmful
maybe you can deal with this issue yourself but maybe you can't and it's always going to be much easier with the help of a professional
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On May 12 2013 03:09 Purpose88 wrote:
Rage is normal. But only retards slam keyboars/gamepads or hurt themself.
I've seen very smart people slam their fist into the wall while being mad
so yeah... your argument is invalid
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On May 13 2013 11:12 ROOTFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On May 12 2013 03:09 Purpose88 wrote:
Rage is normal. But only retards slam keyboars/gamepads or hurt themself. I've seen very smart people slam their fist into the wall while being mad so yeah... your argument is invalid
well, clearly they arent very smart
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How do I deal with rage? Smoke weed. However, it's not for everyone.
I personally can't understand why a pointless video game would cause anger like you describe. I'm sure everyone has slammed their fists after a stupid loss, but the shit you're describing is ridiculous. Cool your jets, and stop being so serious about such an un serious thing.
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I guess this is going off topic now, but, does anyone know what a therapist might do in his situation? Like if he just said "I was playing a game and got mad and punched a keyboard", does he get laughed out of the room, or get some breathing exercises to do, or some item to squeeze or what?
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On May 13 2013 11:19 Penecks wrote:
I guess this is going off topic now, but, does anyone know what a therapist might do in his situation? Like if he just said "I was playing a game and got mad and punched a keyboard", does he get laughed out of the room, or get some breathing exercises to do, or some item to squeeze or what?
if he laughs at you, that therapist should get thrown off a cliff.
He'll probably just ask you some questions about it and listen. try to figure out the what and why, and suggest some things to help. just standard stuff.
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If it's as bad as you describe then you should probably just stop playing. If you really love SC2 then talk to a professional to get your problems sorted out.
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On May 13 2013 10:55 oucho wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 10:04 Sokrates wrote:
It is really interesting how people from the US are advising therapy for such a minor issue. Paying a lot of money to rage less in sc2 sounds really weird to me. And i also think the OP can fix his issues by himself...
I really wonder if this "go see a therapist" thing is something you would get recommended in the US more often than in other (western) countries. yeah I mean it's not as if he's putting his own health or the lives of others at risk so it's clearly not a serious issue if you could solve the issue by yourself I think you would have done it by now, don't play the game any time before you need to drive, that would be very irresponsible for you and yes you should probably talk to a professional, even if it's only just once, what you're describing isn't at all normal and even if it's just related to starcraft at the moment you shouldn't avoid confronting this as it seems very dangerous and harmful maybe you can deal with this issue yourself but maybe you can't and it's always going to be much easier with the help of a professional
1. I m not the OP. Dont mix that up please.
2. Why should you run to a therpaist of one behaviour is not considered normal? I think that adds to charakter depth if it is within certain boundaries.
3. "Dangerous and harmful", total exaggeration, you might also give the advice that if you are stressed out and angry, dont be around people because you might hit them.
Just totally out of proportion. It also doesnt help your own life experience if you run to a therapist when you have a minor issue instead of trying to fix it by yourself.
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On May 13 2013 11:18 eX Killy wrote:Show nested quote +On May 13 2013 11:12 ROOTFayth wrote:On May 12 2013 03:09 Purpose88 wrote:
Rage is normal. But only retards slam keyboars/gamepads or hurt themself. I've seen very smart people slam their fist into the wall while being mad so yeah... your argument is invalid well, clearly they arent very smart
I don't know many stupid people who grinded their way up to 7 figures in poker
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Just try to take it easy. You're taking the game too seriously.
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You need to not take losses as so personally, like the other person dominated you mentally and physically and probably screenshotted the best moments in the game to slowly masturbate to (or some other degrading post-game humiliation activity). Try to view it as 30 or however many minutes of correct and incorrect actions on your part.
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