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On May 11 2013 18:05 Lauriel wrote:Show nested quote +On May 11 2013 17:25 VasHeR wrote:On May 11 2013 17:00 Lauriel wrote:On May 11 2013 16:52 VasHeR wrote:
He does say debilitating in the OP... so I guess I concede that. I used the term vaguely... semantics are annoying. Still, he sounds like a generally well adjusted and successful person, and everyone here is treating him like he has a deep seeded personality disorder. The measures people suggest for such an individual sound ludicrous to me. Let me clarify the "debilitation." In that moment, when I'm actually raging, I'm debilitated. I'm not capable of functioning like a human being should because I'm seething so hard. That part doesn't last for too terribly long (maybe a few minutes). The residual anger lasts for a bit longer than that. However, it's not as if my life is impacted by this daily. To be fair, this is the internet, and I knew going into this that there would be several if not many people who would tell me I'm schizophrenic, psychotic, have a split personality, or various other armchair psychological evaluations. Again, everyone is welcomed to their opinion, but you'll just have to take my word for it that those things simply aren't part of the equation. I've studied enough psychology, and lived my life long enough to know what triggers what in my life, and I know that SC2 (or something related to SC2) is what the root of it is. I do appreciate the opinions, however. <3 A key piece of information missing, I think, is how much etc (how many days per week, games per session, how many losses until you're really raging, how some wins may offset it....). Did you even say what league you're in? It's kinda hard to assess the situation. Without all info I might need, I'm just doin the best I can here, but here's another suggestion... Short version: It sounds like you haven't lost (played) enough. Go lose more, almost intentionally Long version: I'm upper-mid masters, and I still am way more concerned with improving my overall level of play than I am with wins/losses. There is so much to learn and practice in sc2. Go try ridiculous strategies and tactics, and s&t's that you rarely use even when you know it is likely to make you lose. I used to go 1 base collosus all-ins every pvp I played. Then I saw some pros doing speed prism immortal drops while expanding and it looked fun. So I did that for a bunch of games and lost a lot. In fact, the first time I did it, I lost my warp prism and the 2 immortals in it because I confused the hotkey for unloading units with the war3 hotkey. I've tested out so many different ways of doing a forge first, or early 2 gate pressure (not all-in, more like Co**atEx style), and it's very important to learn little things like pylon positioning and scouting patterns. I get really mad when I lose without learning from it. There have been games when I felt like I played a really solid game and was never outmaneuvered, but I still lost. Then I go through the replay and see things like 'I could have taken my 4th base sooner, I should have transferred probes sooner, I was banking too much money, I needed more gateways, I should have just retreated back to my base after I took out that expo, etc...' If there truly was nothing wrong with your play, then my hat is off to you, Nestea. Also, grandmasters still lose to 6pools and proxy gates on a daily basis. So you will always be able to direct some measure of your anger at Blizzard. I'm a low-mid masters player with about 5200 games under my belt. The number of losses that it takes seems to depend, though if you asked me what the determining factors were/are I couldn't tell you. Any sustained losing streak though could potentially be enough to get me pretty angry. I'd say 5 is a good number.
IF 5 is the magic number. Then at the 4:th loss go do something else. When you are at 100% again play that game and it will not make you rage. If you then find another three losses in a row a problem, then quit at 2 and do something else for 15 minutes. Some situps, take a walk, watch an episode of anime etc.
I get pissed as well, but I stop playing when the first signs show. Means I play fewer games but I only play games I consider fun on some level.
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Get a build order that you don't respect. Something so cheesey you hold it in disdain. How could anyone lose to this shit?
Go play it on ladder for a while unranked. You'll get more used to losing without being able to get mad about it, I mean its a fucking dumb build order, right??
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Dont play if you cant control your self.
Or you could try off racing on ladder a bit, just to lose a bunch and stop giving a fuck (do this when you have a good amount of free time, so that if you do go rage mode you don't have to do anything important)
Or get some a punching bag and just throw it on the floor next to your chair where you play, and when you lose and feel the need to rage just jump on that bag and punch it 'till you're breathing heavily. Might work... idk :D
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Just like most things like this I think it comes down to willpower or something terrible happening as a consequence of your actions.
Also god damnit google ads.
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I'm in the Mental Health field, and I think everyone should be in therapy. I seriously don't mean this in any offensive way, but if it's to the point where you're hurting yourself, there's definitely something larger that needs to be worked on.
If that's not an option for you, I suggest taking a deep breath and identifying the triggers and cues to your anger. Think about the types of thoughts you have, and the physiological responses (i.e. sweating, increased heart rate, irritability.) When you reach this point, just stop playing. Doesn't matter if you have to ppp or if you have to leave the game. It's not worth it.
Tell yourself it's not worth it. Make it your mantra.
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I am not sure sc2 is the problem ... seems to be some thing else going on.
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Perhaps losing at Starcraft is the only outlet for your deep-seated subconscious existential angst. Or maybe you aren't getting laid enough. Or maybe you are getting laid, but it's boring missionary shit and you just need to pull her hair and pound that ass. I have no clue. My point is, you need to figure out what the real issue is before anyone can help you, and only you can tell us what the real problem is.
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Don't keep playing after a lost match. Give yourself time, lots of time if need be, to calm down and think about why you lost. Conscious control is the best skill someone can have in any emotional situation.
Remember what the Buddha said:
"If, bhikkhus, others speak in dispraise of me, or in dispraise of the Dhamma, or in dispraise of the Sangha, you should not give way to resentment, displeasure, or animosity against them in your heart. For if you were to become angry or upset in such a situation, you would only be creating an obstacle for yourselves. If you were to become angry or upset when others speak in dispraise of us, would you be able to recognize whether their statements are rightly or wrongly spoken?"
"Certainly not, Lord."
"If, bhikkhus, others speak in dispraise of me, or in dispraise of the Dhamma, or in dispraise of the Sangha, you should unravel what is false and point it out as false, saying: 'For such and such a reason this is false, this is untrue, there is no such thing in us, this is not found among us.'
Get to the reason of the anger/loss and solve it. It's hard, but simple.
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Do you have this feeling after a lost game that you have to prove to yourself that you aren't supposed to lose games at all ?
I can't quite describe this but I have always have that feeling after a loss, and although I do not rage as hard as you do, I can still recognise a lot of stuff that you are saying. Whenever I lose a game, I queue up that next match as soon as I can, in a way I'm trying to deal with this frustration, this feeling of losing, of being inferior to someone (which for me is hard, and I'd say that that feeling is very hard and painful for you aswell), by showing that I actually am not inferior to people, but better. Doing so will result into you throwing all your frustration into the games that follow up after an initial loss. If you then go on a losing streak - which is very likely to happen if you are frustrated, because you simply play worse - all this frustration will eventually unleash all at once.
I'd say you have to really stop having the habit of playing on after you lose games. At least take a small break and try to do something that takes this anger away. Preferably something peaceful, for me playing the guitar works really well. You could try to do stuff like going for a run (this is a great, healthy but very time consuming way to get rid of the anger) but also doing more aggressive things like actually slamming pillows or something like that. Maybe you could buy a punching bag and just punch that for a couple of minutes before moving on to your next game. I definitely think that you got used to very unhealthy habits of releasing anger, with which you not only damage important things around you, but also yourself. One of the things that works well for me is actually pushing your jaws onto eachother very fiercely. I found that you can put a lot of force into that before actually damaging yourself - if you can actually damage yourself by doing at all.
It's important to recognise when you are stacking frustration by playing multiple games. Sometimes the anger can't go away that easily. I've had times where I was so frustrated with the game, that I literally couldn't touch the game for weeks and was still frustrated about the losses I had every time I thought about them. When you recognise this it might be best to just stop for a little while, a week or something. Maybe try to find another more casual game to spend your time on when you are frustrated.
Hope these few tricks will help you. I don't think that trying to change your mentality about the game is actually going to work, nor would "growing up" help. It's the way you are - you want to be the very best. You can't actually change that aspect of yourself that easily. The painful thing is that you will probably not be the very best at anything you compete at, and sometimes that will induce some rage. It's more about dealing with the rage in ways that don't hurt you, rather than removing the rage altogether.
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Rage is normal. But only retards slam keyboars/gamepads or hurt themself.
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On May 12 2013 03:09 Purpose88 wrote:
Rage is normal. But only retards slam keyboars/gamepads or hurt themself.
So all the OP needed was for someone to call him a retard, and suddenly he recognizes the error of his ways and snaps out of it, becomes a changed man. Perhaps we should start a "Don't be a retard" anti-smoking campaign, or change the grading scale to A, B, C, Half Retarded, Full Retarded.
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Some things I've thought about trying, as I have a similar problem (but on vocal, never punching stuff)
1) Play a shit fucking ton of unranked to the point where a single game literally stops having meaning to me any more
2) Play against friends that do nothing but cheese the fuck out of me constantly
3) Go back to doing pushups/situps after every loss (I used to do this, but stopped for some reason =/)
4) Immediately stop playing after losing three games in a row and go take a walk to reset my mind and give it a break, basically
5) Fill a music playlist with as much calming stuff as I can and only listen to this while playing (something I've actually recently been doing, and it's seemed to help)
6) Ban yourself from saying ANYTHING at all in a match, even GLHF or GG at the end. For me, even saying GG in a fit of rage just opens the floodgates
7) Play a game that you SUCK at for a while so you can appreciate your SC2 skills more (Mine would probably be DotA lmao)
Basically, I think the trick for you and me is to try to change our mindsets (like others have suggested) so that each game on its own doesn't matter anymore, and every time we sit down to ladder we just tell ourselves "Alright, time to play a game I really fucking enjoy!" instead of "Fuck, I really don't want to lose this next game..."
I would very much appreciate if you could keep the OP updated with anything you've managed to improve. This is an area of playing SC2 that I've really been trying to figure out, and kind of feel as lost as you seem to be.
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I don't even see how you can have all the things you say and then say you act this way when losing a game.
ITS A GAME, you are 27 years old, move on when you lose.
I don't even know what to say other than that you should find something less competitive to do because you can't handle the stress. I got mad early on when starting playing sc2, but have since gotten over losses making me mad.
Also how do you associate your rage with what you think taking drugs is like if you have never? Don't assume anything until you've tried it for yourself.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/aww is a magnificent site for me when I start to rage.
It's really really hard to rage while looking at a puppy/kitten.
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I'd suggest exercise as many have before me in the thread. More specifically, jogging. It is so freaking fulfilling. It has helped me to deal with ranked game rage in both SC2 and LoL. Even after a loss, I feel like Buddha and instead of focusing on the fact that I lost, I'm more focused on how to not let that happen again. Analytical skills are that much more effective when your mind is not clouded with rage.
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Look up intermittent explosive rage disorder.i know you said your fine outside of the game.but your life also sounds abnormaly laid back.have you been in stressful life situation in the past and found yourself over reacting to small irrelevant shit?
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Accept the fact that you've lost.
Accept it that you are worse than your opponent.
That are the first two steps.
Do not care about ladder.
If I lose in ladder, I accept it and play another match/ game.
Some years ago, I used to break my keyboard in a clanwar.
It was really fun to get called by my mate and explain how this did happen. :D
However, I'm over this shit (mostly).
Just a few mins ago I raged like fuck as my Crysis 3 began to lag like shit and my RAM was on 97%... With only 300MB as processuse. OMG.
Whatever. Jogging, as already explained, is fantastic.
Even 10 mins (if you are bad as I am) are enough to get over all incoming rage- attacks.
Or switch the game.
Play a non- competitive game.
I play Teeworls, ddrace mod.
Even if I fail I laugh my ass off.
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In my rather subjective opinion a rage as intensive as this seems to be coupled with the inability to laugh at yourself while you are being made fun of. If this is true for you (as it was for me when I was still pretty young) then it might be a point to work on. Taking life less seriously (no idea how serious you take it) or trying to find a way to "ridicule yourself" could be a step in the right direction.
For my own rage I can only say that it got bearable with a series of regular visits to a school psychiatrist, but I have no memory as to what we really did or what he said that made the difference.
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LOL, this was actually kinda funny.
Okay, so let me try to explain this to you.
You're one of those guys who feed off their success. Like, you consider your success as a defining feature off you. If you want to really notice this, look at all your word choices: your life beyond the computer is fairly successful. "Wonderful" girl, good apartment, good everything in general ("I generally have a pretty awesome life."). You have a job you enjoy, blah blah blah.
Now, one might say, "so what? He's living a good life, there's nothing with that." The follow up question I present however, is why did he even start talking about this? Like, if you have rage ABOUT A VIDEO GAME the most important thing to do is just calm down. That's the immediate advice anyone gives, no one actually asks about how you're living conditions are. However, you can't do this; it's probably because you feel like a loser after a game, and so it defies how you think about yourself (successful).
Obviously, this would be a huge leap if he wasn't like this; but I really doubt it. Why? Because he spends nearly an hour raging, breaking things around him, etc. just after a few loses on sc2.
So, I'd suggest two things (either/or):
A) Quit playing so you stop feeling like a loser. The game balances your skill so you lose 50% of the time, if you don't like losing, you should stop playing.
B) Stop caring about the results of a game. Just play the game for the fucks, the whole point of a game is to bring joy, not just for the winner, but for the loser as well.
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Lol thread full of pussies. I advise smashing keyboard after loss. Don't forget to buy a bunch in advance.
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